rollover Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Panicking Tory MPs in the so-called 'Red Wall' seats of the North and Midlands have held discussions about forming a breakaway party. With Labour now consistently more than 20 points ahead in the polls – and an increasing number of Tory MPs announcing plans to quit before the next general election – the 'wallers' have discussed forming a new party that would be tougher than Rishi Sunak's Government on issues such as immigration, crime and Brexit. The MPs fear that unless they act they will become 'one-termers' after being elected in former Labour strongholds in 2019. Daily Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted November 27, 2022 Author Share Posted November 27, 2022 Bombshell polling reveals Sir Keir Starmer is ahead of Rishi Sunak on 11 out of 12 key issues Sir Keir Starmer is ranked ahead of Rishi Sunak in nearly all areas, according to bombshell polling that reveals the size of the mountain the Prime Minister must climb to win the next General Election. Daily Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted November 27, 2022 Author Share Posted November 27, 2022 In all my years of polling, I've never seen the Tory brand in such a bad state Ask a group of people who have previously voted Tory about what they felt when they heard Rishi Sunak was to become Prime Minister and the chances are someone will say ‘relief’. There are plenty of doubts – about his ability to empathise with voters given his family’s wealth. Voters say the Sunak Government feels like a rehash of its predecessors rather than a fresh new administration. The Conservative brand is in as bad a state as I have seen in all my years of polling. Fewer than one in ten say the party is competent, shares their values or is on their side. Few are optimistic that the latest new Government will succeed in any of its immediate challenges, such as bringing financial stability, controlling inflation or making a success of Brexit – let alone dealing with small-boat migrant Channel crossings or cutting NHS waiting lists. Labour is more trusted on nearly all policy issues – not just the NHS and the cost of living, but on traditionally Tory territory such as immigration and crime. Daily Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkey Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Nobody actually knows what Labour are going to do yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nothernsoul Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 The ones with intelligence and self respect have accepted losing their seat is almost nailed on and are looking for a job. Nothing wrong with that. A lot better than wasting time on creating a UkIP style party, for reasons of personal advancement rather than belief, that will go nowhere anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Larry Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Have they considered just renaming it New Conservatives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wighty Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, clarkey said: Nobody actually knows what Labour are going to do yet So what, who cares?. Can it be any worse?. Edited November 27, 2022 by wighty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satsuma Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, wighty said: So what, who cares?. Can it be any worse?. Seems to me people are ready to try a change, the Tories seem to be too divided. Starmer is a former DPP so should be a decent PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTINX9 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, clarkey said: Nobody actually knows what Labour are going to do yet Presumably not what they did for decades in these red wall areas which caused local voters to abandon them in 2019? I can understand them voting not Tory because they have failed them - but Labour ran and failed a lot of these areas (taking them for granted) for a long time before 2019. So why do they think a north London led Labour party will be any better for them this time? Edited November 27, 2022 by MARTINX9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wighty Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, MARTINX9 said: Presumably not what they did for decades in these red wall areas which caused local voters to abandon them in 2019? I can understand them voting not Tory because they have failed them - but Labour ran and failed a lot of these areas (taking them for granted) for a long time before 2019. So why do they think a north London led Labour party will be any better for them this time? In a failing relationship, would you continue with it just because you are afraid the next one might not be any better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HousePriceTooHigh Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 "the 'wallers' have discussed forming a new party that would be tougher than Rishi Sunak's Government on issues such as immigration, crime and Brexit" AHAHAHA The red wall voted tory for Boris because was funny and would have plenty of photo ops with a pint They'll vote Reform next time, because Farage will probably be back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTINX9 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 2 hours ago, wighty said: In a failing relationship, would you continue with it just because you are afraid the next one might not be any better? I think my argument is that you don't divorce and then go back and re-marry your first spouse - presumably you divorced them for a reason too Why not try someone or something different - rather than the two partners that are letting you down now or have done before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 10 hours ago, rollover said: Panicking Tory MPs in the so-called 'Red Wall' seats of the North and Midlands have held discussions about forming a breakaway party. With Labour now consistently more than 20 points ahead in the polls – and an increasing number of Tory MPs announcing plans to quit before the next general election – the 'wallers' have discussed forming a new party that would be tougher than Rishi Sunak's Government on issues such as immigration, crime and Brexit. The MPs fear that unless they act they will become 'one-termers' after being elected in former Labour strongholds in 2019. Daily Mail They should have thought about that before being Lib Dems wearing blue rosettes and squandering a 80 seat majority. All they needed to do was be conservative. But no. Sympathy level: Nil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 6 hours ago, wighty said: Can it be any worse?. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 13 hours ago, HousePriceTooHigh said: AHAHAHA The red wall voted tory for Boris because was funny and would have plenty of photo ops with a pint They'll vote Reform next time, because Farage will probably be back Nigel Farage 'holds secret meetings with disillusioned Red Wall Tories Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage is said to have held talks with disaffected Red Wall Tory MPs as he plots to make a political comeback with his Reform UK party. Mr Farage has been 'testing the water' with northern MPs who are unhappy with Rishi Sunak's leadership, according to the Sun. The prominent Brexiteer told the newspaper that while outright defection has not been discussed yet, 'there are a lot of very very disillusioned Conservatives'. Daily Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual-observer Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 6 hours ago, rollover said: Nigel Farage 'holds secret meetings with disillusioned Red Wall Tories Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage is said to have held talks with disaffected Red Wall Tory MPs as he plots to make a political comeback with his Reform UK party. Mr Farage has been 'testing the water' with northern MPs who are unhappy with Rishi Sunak's leadership, according to the Sun. The prominent Brexiteer told the newspaper that while outright defection has not been discussed yet, 'there are a lot of very very disillusioned Conservatives'. Daily Mail Farage needs to tell forget employing any of these reject cchq lib dims. None of them are remotely credible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual-observer Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 18 hours ago, MARTINX9 said: I think my argument is that you don't divorce and then go back and re-marry your first spouse - presumably you divorced them for a reason too Why not try someone or something different - rather than the two partners that are letting you down now or have done before? I suspect certain northern regions will be going independent soon and binning both off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbot26 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 21 hours ago, satsuma said: Seems to me people are ready to try a change, the Tories seem to be too divided. Starmer is a former DPP so should be a decent PM. You realise he was a pretty poor DPP don’t you, Jimmy Saville’s file landed on his desk and he chose to do nothing with it, if you think that marks him as having the potential to be a decent PM you need to go give your head a wobble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 On 27/11/2022 at 06:33, rollover said: Panicking Tory MPs in the so-called 'Red Wall' seats of the North and Midlands have held discussions about forming a breakaway party. With Labour now consistently more than 20 points ahead in the polls – and an increasing number of Tory MPs announcing plans to quit before the next general election – the 'wallers' have discussed forming a new party that would be tougher than Rishi Sunak's Government on issues such as immigration, crime and Brexit. The MPs fear that unless they act they will become 'one-termers' after being elected in former Labour strongholds in 2019. Daily Mail British people only voted for them because of Brexit. They were never going to keep their seats. Worse, Brexit party divided labout vote handing seats to the tories. Next eleciton reform UK will help destroy the tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erat_forte Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 19 hours ago, MARTINX9 said: I think my argument is that you don't divorce and then go back and re-marry your first spouse - presumably you divorced them for a reason too Why not try someone or something different - rather than the two partners that are letting you down now or have done before? I knew a bloke that did this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual-observer Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 2 hours ago, abbot26 said: You realise he was a pretty poor DPP don’t you, Jimmy Saville’s file landed on his desk and he chose to do nothing with it, if you think that marks him as having the potential to be a decent PM you need to go give your head a wobble. He did his job perfectly since his job was to protect ‘the state’. The idea he’s a breath of fresh air for anyone outside that bubble is hilarious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 'Bogus' asylum seekers must be sent back home Rishi Sunak is facing mounting pressure from Tory MPs to make emergency changes to modern slavery laws to reduce the number of 'bogus asylum seekers' crossing the Channel in small boats. A group of 50 led by ex-minister David Davis has written to the Prime Minister to rapidly implement a 'simple' change in the law to help reduce the flow of people that has reached 40,000 this year. They want changes to modern slavery laws to make it easier for people they believe do not qualify for asylum, who say they are victims of trafficking, to be returned. Daily Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former postman Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Tories are done. They are fleeing the sinking ship like rats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 You have the choice to vote for one of three main parties all of which are identical in every way. That's democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual-observer Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, zugzwang said: You have the choice to vote for one of three main parties all of which are identical in every way. That's democracy. That model is on the brink of breaking though, there's been very early signs of it. Northern seats will probably go first, between varying independent factions. The white bourgeoisie Oxbridge class are really struggling to keep the muslim bloc onside now for obvious reasons....there's quite a few vulnerable seats already. Then you've got the UKIP leaning seats which all switched to being moderate, again I can see a few switching again to independent. Edited November 28, 2022 by Casual-observer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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