DiggerUK Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) No fully convincing story has been uncovered yet that reveals the back story behind the Moscow Crocus Hall massacre. The elephant in the room is the attackers themselves. None of them fit the M.O. of the head chopping jihadi headbanger. First fly in the ointment is that they are all alive, bar 2. It is most noticeable that those captured have all claimed to have been offered payment.... since when do these headbangers expect their reward to be anything other than access to virgins in paradise. The prisoners strike me as mercenaries in it for money and glory, not jihadists after martyrdom and pussy. Another fly in the ointment is that they planned to flee the massacre in the same vehicles they arrived in. If the mission had ended with their martyrdom, that is when they get their hands on the virgins in paradise. Getting your ear fed to you shouldn't have been a part of the deal, having virgins feeding you peeled grapes in paradise is. I see no reason to believe ISIS did not organise the mission, but what really persuaded ISIS to organise this outrage. If this is the new M.O. for ISIS, they're domed Mr. Mannering..._ Edited March 27 by DiggerUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumble bee Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 UK military ‘couldn’t fight Russia for longer than two months’ Britain could not fight Russia for more than two months, the Deputy Chief of Defence Staff has admitted. Lt Gen Sir Rob Magowan said the Armed Forces would have to manage the “operational risk” that came with not having the resources he would like in future wars. Appearing before MPs at the Commons defence committee, the senior Royal Marines officer said: “We’ve been very clear that the amount of money we’re spending on munitions at the moment ... which is significant ... does not meet, in all areas, the threats that we face. “We’ve been clear that we need to spend more money, above the programme of record, on what we call integrated air missile defence.” https://uk.yahoo.com/news/weakened-uk-military-might-only-213222857.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satsuma Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/27/ukraine-war-us-aid-155mm-artillery-shells-patriot-missiles/ US speaker Johnston has backed down, seems US funding will pass the vote and then Ukraine will get long overdue help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 (edited) 15 hours ago, DiggerUK said: First fly in the ointment is that they are all alive, And that's because you don't understand that the tiny proportion of Jihadis you have seen chose death at the scene. Plenty of 'head-banger Jihadis' have been taken prisoner or committed an atrocity and then tried to get away throughout the history of such groups. 15 hours ago, DiggerUK said: since when do these headbangers expect their reward to be anything other than access to virgins in paradise. Every member of al-Qaeda was paid a wage as are most jihadis. In fact some members of al-Qaeda had joined up that org as they got $10 more than other groups offered and went to Afghanistan because of it. 15 hours ago, DiggerUK said: The prisoners strike me as mercenaries in it for money and glory, not jihadists after martyrdom and pussy. Because we've established you don't know anything about religious fundamentalist / jihadis bar the narrow stereotype. 15 hours ago, DiggerUK said: but what really persuaded ISIS to organise this outrage They've been doing attacks on Russian assets for a while just not in Moscow. Same as you won't be reading about the 5 Chinese engineers blown up in Afghanistan ( error was Pakistan) by ISIS-K a couple of days ago because its a regular occurance but too small to make your news items. Btw the regular killing of Chinese nationals in Afghanistan also involves all the 'head-banger jiadis' walking away alive so guess they must not be jihadi enough for you... ( story above updated from IED to suicide bombing. Many other attacks are IED based) Jihad comes in many forms Edited March 28 by Staffsknot Updated as per Diggers post of story details change +highlight it was Pakistan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 10 hours ago, bumble bee said: UK military ‘couldn’t fight Russia for longer than two months’ Britain could not fight Russia for more than two months, the Deputy Chief of Defence Staff has admitted. Lt Gen Sir Rob Magowan said the Armed Forces would have to manage the “operational risk” that came with not having the resources he would like in future wars. Appearing before MPs at the Commons defence committee, the senior Royal Marines officer said: “We’ve been very clear that the amount of money we’re spending on munitions at the moment ... which is significant ... does not meet, in all areas, the threats that we face. “We’ve been clear that we need to spend more money, above the programme of record, on what we call integrated air missile defence.” https://uk.yahoo.com/news/weakened-uk-military-might-only-213222857.html That's why we are part of NATO with a nuclear deterrent In 1960 with an army much larger and much greater resources we'd have probably lasted 3 months on our own. Its not rocket science though that this theoetical war would have to be fought in a 3rd country as the Russian army would not feature in a war on UK soil. It would have to relyon air power ( which neutralises most of their assets) and sea power ( which again would be severely at risk and need replenishment at sea as so far from home port). So this war would have to be in another country and that would likely be NATO and draw Article 5, which Russia would lose very badly in a conventional war against. See Ukraine experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/27/2024 at 6:54 AM, bumble bee said: I didn't mention the video, but that he talks too much and what he said after the Moscow attack. You see now, where are you inexact by adding strawman and than desperately trying to blow it up. Eat your hat now and admit you're wrong once again. Nope and you posted the video as part of your wibble- you are having some kind of a meltdown again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiggerUK Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Six killed after suicide bomber rams convoy of Chinese engineers in Afghanistan Pakistan Click This article points out that the suicide bomber did not survive..._ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumble bee Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 74.8% of Poles do not want Polish soldiers to be sent to Ukraine ... and they are more hawkish than the rest of the EU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, DiggerUK said: Six killed after suicide bomber rams convoy of Chinese engineers in Afghanistan Pakistan Click This article points out that the suicide bomber did not survive..._ I literally typed Afghanistan by mistake because I'd been talking Afghanistan where there are regular attacks and talking al-Qaeda The early report was an IED which has been changed to a suicide bombing, like I said I read it days ago as it was first coming out. Not days later when someone brings it to your attention. But again you probably hadn't heard of this nor the numerous attacks in Pakistan or on China in Afghanistan or Pakistan before I mentioned it as said. Numerous Jihadis are not suicide bombers and seek to go home. The bomb maker, planners, probably the team giving the driver the go command observing the road... mysteriously you think they all aren't Jihadis as they don't fit your narrow definition. They all walked away. They still are Jihadis, just like there are women Jihadis and even suicide bombers Also in the original texts if you go into battle seeking death you are not a martyr as suicide is forbidden... it was just handily ignored by Iran scholars and now extremist Sunni & Shia when convenient for them. Basically Iran-Iraq war saw the rise of 'suicide martyrdom' and them trying to use that as the definition of shahid. Also you seem to think only martyrs / Jihadis get this trip to pardise and the dark eyed brides, its any Muslim who leads a good life gets in same rewards. Worse still if you translate it into ancient languages it is divine white grapes not virgins... because part of the explanation iof paradise includes wine that never ends nor gives a hangover... The Jihadis planting IEDs and filming the aftermath - eviently not Jihadi enough... hell in Medieval times writing poetry about the glory of Islam could be considered Jihad. But that would be outside most people's skim read of things. Also you will see that attacks are being linked to affiliated groups of East Turkistan Islamic Movement... they are big recruiters against Russia & China. Interesting you went for Bangkok Post as opposed to Reuters or Bloomberg now they are catching up... guessing that is high in your search algo. Edited March 28 by Staffsknot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 26 minutes ago, bumble bee said: 74.8% of Poles do not want Polish soldiers to be sent to Ukraine ... and they are more hawkish than the rest of the EU Well its a good job that Polish soldiers aren't being sent to Ukraine nor was it ever raised then. Any other pointless polls of Poles you want to post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drat Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Kremlin's little helpers busy busy pushing fairy stories I see. The inherent danger of focusing on those they "want" to blame is the lack of effort stopping further attacks by the actual perpetrators. When does the kopek drop that keeping them safe is not the priority of the current boss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 18 hours ago, satsuma said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/27/ukraine-war-us-aid-155mm-artillery-shells-patriot-missiles/ US speaker Johnston has backed down, seems US funding will pass the vote and then Ukraine will get long overdue help Welcome news if it pans out. Theres been some positive noise coming out of Washington in the last few weeks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 2 hours ago, Drat said: Kremlin's little helpers busy busy pushing fairy stories I see. The inherent danger of focusing on those they "want" to blame is the lack of effort stopping further attacks by the actual perpetrators. When does the kopek drop that keeping them safe is not the priority of the current boss? Absolutely this. Nobody knows 'what really happened' yet, but all that energy and resource spent creating fake news sites etc when instead the Russian state could be focussed on trying to protect itself. Also, imagine dedicating your life to amplifying what Putin makes up. What a waste of oxygen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Larry Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Pack your kit bags the letters in the post Russian warships enter the Red Sea, navy says - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satsuma Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Russia actively publishing its torture of suspects, new low even for Russia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Larry Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Is it better to do it privately ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Larry Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Strange thing to want to discuss after Biden announced victory a year ago , that 500k Russians have died and only 40k Ukrainians , the entire Russian Navy wiped out , thousands of jets and helicopters destroyed etc etc. They have been telling us the truth haven't they ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satsuma Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/29/ukraine-war-briefing-russian-fighter-jet-crashes-off-crimea Another Russian Jet Fighter downed, all helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 12 hours ago, Lucky Larry said: Is it better to do it privately ? Yes sort of - its better to send the perpetrators to jail rather than it being accepted state policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHorseWaits-NoMore Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Torture was/is US state policy: https://phr.org/our-work/resources/twenty-years-of-the-u-s-torture-regime/ https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/publications/CRPT-113srpt288.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satsuma Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 hour ago, pig said: Yes sort of - its better to send the perpetrators to jail rather than it being accepted state policy. Pointless trying to reason with them, whatever Russia does they will stutter “but but but other did bad” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 15 hours ago, Lucky Larry said: Is it better to do it privately ? That's nothing, amateur stuff, look below for how the experts do it. Ukraine prosecutor says four suspected Russian torture sites found in Kherson • FRANCE 24 English - YouTube Russians torture Ukrainians until 'organs explode:’ report - English Section - polskieradio.pl https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/9766/artykul/2952376,russians-torture-ukrainians-until-organs-explode’-report Ukraine’s SBU finds another Russian torture chamber in liberated Kharkiv Oblast https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-sbu-finds-another-russian-125900085.html?guccounter=1 Ukraine says children’s cell found inside Russian ‘torture chamber’ | South China Morning Post https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/3203348/ukraine-says-childrens-cell-found-inside-russian-torture-chamber 'Mini Auschwitz': Ukraine claims to find Russian 'torture chamber' https://nypost.com/2022/10/05/mini-auschwitz-ukraine-claims-to-find-russian-torture-chamber/ Ukraine War: Civilian recounts Russian torture - YouTube Another Russian torture chamber discovered in Kupyansk https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3576543-another-russian-torture-chamber-discovered-in-kupyansk.html Ukraine uncovers children's torture chamber set up by Putin's troops | Daily Mail Online https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11538691/Ukraine-uncovers-childrens-torture-chamber-set-Putins-troops.html Released Ukrainian PoWs reveal the brutal treatment meted out by their Russian captors | World | The Sunday Times https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/released-ukrainian-pows-reveal-the-brutal-treatment-meted-out-by-their-russian-captors-0d56d0ncq Russian military ‘overseers’ believed to issue the orders to torture hostages in Donbas https://khpg.org/en/1526430509 Burned corpses and claims of a ‘torture chamber’: Here’s what we know about alleged war crimes in Bucha, Ukraine | The Star https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2022/04/06/burned-corpses-and-claims-of-a-torture-chamber-heres-what-we-know-about-alleged-war-crimes-in-bucha-ukraine.html Bodies of 5 killed by Russians found in ‘torture chamber’ in Bucha: Ukraine official | Al Arabiya English https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/04/04/Bodies-of-5-men-with-hands-tied-found-in-a-basement-in-Bucha-Ukraine-s-prosecutor- 10 Russian torture chambers found in liberated areas: Ukrainian police | TVP World https://tvpworld.com/62798009/10-russian-torture-chambers-found-in-liberated-areas-ukrainian-police Systematic torture in the Ukrainian city of Kherson during the Russian occupation https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/12/06/systematic-torture-in-the-ukrainian-city-of-kherson-during-the-russian-occupation_6006765_4.html Reports of abuse, torture emerge as Russia retreats from Kherson - Portland Press Herald https://www.pressherald.com/2022/11/15/reports-of-abuse-torture-emerge-as-russia-retreats-from-kherson/ Ukraine discovers four 'horrific' Russian torture sites in Kherson amid Russian withdrawal | World | News | Express.co.uk https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1699736/Ukraine-Kherson-torture-sites-General-Prosecutor-Russia-Kyiv-Moscow-ont Russian mercenaries accused of torture and killings of civilians in Central African Republic - The Globe and Mail https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-russian-mercenaries-accused-of-torture-and-killings-of-civilians-in/ Ukrainian police discover 25 Russian torture camps https://punchng.com/ukrainian-police-discover-25-russian-torture-camps/ Ukraine authorities uncover 'torture chamber' in formerly Russia occupied region - JURIST - News https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/01/ukraine-authorities-uncover-torture-chamber-in-formerly-russia-occupied-region/ 'Torment of Hell': Ukraine Medic Describes Russian Torture https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-09-15/medic-russians-tortured-ukrainian-detainees-often-to-death Box of teeth found in torture chamber as Vladimir Putin’s forces retreat | Evening Standard https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/box-teeth-found-russian-torture-chamber-vladimir-putin-ukraine-war-b1030344.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Larry Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 How many of these kids will never see their 20s and all because the West wants to build an Empire , the next time you ghouls cheer it on think of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Larry Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, jonb2 said: That's nothing, amateur stuff, look below for how the experts do it. I'm not on here justifying the use of any torture so what's your point caller? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) 3 hours ago, Lucky Larry said: I'm not on here justifying the use of any torture so what's your point caller? Firstly, as pointed out, your post shot itself in the foot anyway. You compared soldiers sent to jail with soldiers, supported by the state torturing and posting publicly with impunity. Secondly its just another desperate, daft whataboutery trotted out in defence of Putin. The core fear of these authoritarians is the loss of power through populations thinking that its better in the West Can anybody find the odd silly post where you support the casual and genocidal violence of these authoritarians ? Answer: ALL OF THEM Edited March 29 by pig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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