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55 minutes ago, MerchantNavy said:

You don't need to tell me, I know Russia has it's own problems.

 

Yelims, on the other hand, seems to think he can post his bs of everything Russian bad, everything Ukrainian good and then get away with it.

Can you show anything good coming out of Russia lately 

If it pains you that your utter shithole of a country is viewed in such negative light outiside Russia perhaps speak up against the Russian Nazis before it’s too late?

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Biden dared not visit Kiev without asking Russia for security guarantees first

US President Joe Biden dared to make a ‘brave’ visit to Kiev only after obtaining guarantees of security from Russia.

The US leader’s visit was staged with drama, but, in reality, resembled a failed stage of in a provincial theater.

"In order to assign some drama to this moment, they have even sounded the air raid alarm," she noted. "Although, they told the people of Kiev in advance not to pay attention to it, due to absence of any actual threat.

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1 minute ago, rollover said:

Biden dared not visit Kiev without asking Russia for security guarantees first

US President Joe Biden dared to make a ‘brave’ visit to Kiev only after obtaining guarantees of security from Russia.

The US leader’s visit was staged with drama, but, in reality, resembled a failed stage of in a provincial theater.

"In order to assign some drama to this moment, they have even sounded the air raid alarm," she noted. "Although, they told the people of Kiev in advance not to pay attention to it, due to absence of any actual threat.

tass

You have to wonder why Putin agreed to offer Biden security guarantees, Very nice of him to volunteer that freely.

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2 hours ago, rollover said:

Biden dared not visit Kiev without asking Russia for security guarantees first

US President Joe Biden dared to make a ‘brave’ visit to Kiev only after obtaining guarantees of security from Russia.

The US leader’s visit was staged with drama, but, in reality, resembled a failed stage of in a provincial theater.

"In order to assign some drama to this moment, they have even sounded the air raid alarm," she noted. "Although, they told the people of Kiev in advance not to pay attention to it, due to absence of any actual threat.

tass

Hilarious, they are like Children, "but but big bad Biden asked us before he came to call".  No-one believes it, in fact the story is PooTin was told to expect trouble if he didn't behave during the visit.

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Reacting to Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s State of the Nation address delivered on Saturday, Slovak Foreign Minister Rastislav Kácer used vulgar language to claim Orbán was Vladimir Putin’s ally. Kácer, on his way to London on an official visit, posted that “Putin’s allies in the Carpathian Basin” can only say “Idi na huy,” which is Russian for “f*k off” or “bite me.”

In his response, Zsolt Németh, head of the Hungarian Parliament’s foreign affairs committee, expressed doubts about Kácer’s mental health.

Tamás Menczer shared Németh’s opinion “Rastislav Kácer is a provocateur, and he should be treated accordingly. Zsolt Németh, chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the National Assembly, recently made a statement about Rastislav Kácer, and we fully agree with his opinion. We will not stand for provocation,” the politician said.

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'CAN'T GO ON FOREVER'

One U.S. official, who requested anonymity to speak candidly about U.S. support for the war, said the administration has told the Ukrainian government that U.S. resources are not infinite. "Everybody understands that this (war) has to end at some point. And we all would like to see it end sooner rather than later," the official said.

While aid to Ukraine has bipartisan support in the U.S. Congress, some Republican lawmakers are questioning why the United States is spending billions to help Ukraine while Americans cope with high inflation and a troubled economy.

"I’ve been around long enough to see that engagements, especially costly engagement, don't have an eternal lifespan, especially if you're not making a case," Bob Menendez said.

Support among Americans for providing military aid to Ukraine has fallen. A number of Republican lawmakers allied to former President Donald Trump have called for restrictions on the aid. The aid could become a political football in the 2024 presidential campaign.

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Viktor Orban insisting Donald Trump was the only person who could broker peace with Vladimir Putin

Viktor Orban snubbed Wednesday's meeting in Warsaw with President Joe Biden and the other Bucharest Nine leaders after insisting Donald Trump was the only person who could broker peace with Vladimir Putin.

Orban has been an outlier on the war in Ukraine, chiding the European Union for prolonging the conflict.

'This is going to sound brutal, but hope for peace goes by the name of Donald Trump,' Orban said at the time, arguing Biden wasn't the man for the job.

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11 hours ago, rollover said:

Viktor Orban insisting Donald Trump was the only person who could broker peace with Vladimir Putin

Viktor Orban snubbed Wednesday's meeting in Warsaw with President Joe Biden and the other Bucharest Nine leaders after insisting Donald Trump was the only person who could broker peace with Vladimir Putin.

Orban has been an outlier on the war in Ukraine, chiding the European Union for prolonging the conflict.

'This is going to sound brutal, but hope for peace goes by the name of Donald Trump,' Orban said at the time, arguing Biden wasn't the man for the job.

Daily Mail

Get it through your head, Trump is not elected to anything, he has no mandate, only a Russian would suggest they should rig the game by selecting someone to give the desired outcome. 

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22 hours ago, IMHAL said:

The general concensus is that China wants this war to continue to exhaust both Russia and the West. China has everything to gain and nothing to lose, so long as it keeps it's hands reasonably clean.

I'd be surprised if they strayed from lending moral support to encourage Russia to 'keep at it'.

They don't want to see Russia trounced so they may fabricate parts and ship anything Russia needs - but they will extract a price for it.

More stuff sent by West to Ukr, less can be sent to Pacific nations.

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12 hours ago, rollover said:

Viktor Orban insisting Donald Trump was the only person who could broker peace with Vladimir Putin

Viktor Orban snubbed Wednesday's meeting in Warsaw with President Joe Biden and the other Bucharest Nine leaders after insisting Donald Trump was the only person who could broker peace with Vladimir Putin.

Orban has been an outlier on the war in Ukraine, chiding the European Union for prolonging the conflict.

'This is going to sound brutal, but hope for peace goes by the name of Donald Trump,' Orban said at the time, arguing Biden wasn't the man for the job.

Daily Mail

Is that the same Trump that almost destroyed NATO, created division between allies and thinks the sun shines out of Putin a55 :)

If I was Putin, I'd want Trump as he's a wrecking ball to Western domestic interests.

 

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17 hours ago, rollover said:

Biden dared not visit Kiev without asking Russia for security guarantees first

US President Joe Biden dared to make a ‘brave’ visit to Kiev only after obtaining guarantees of security from Russia.

The US leader’s visit was staged with drama, but, in reality, resembled a failed stage of in a provincial theater.

"In order to assign some drama to this moment, they have even sounded the air raid alarm," she noted. "Although, they told the people of Kiev in advance not to pay attention to it, due to absence of any actual threat.

tass

You know its been standard practice to inform the Russians of the train that external dignitaries are on when visiting Ukr. Because them 'accidentally' bombing them might just be seen as escalating things...

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1 hour ago, Staffsknot said:

They don't want to see Russia trounced so they may fabricate parts and ship anything Russia needs - but they will extract a price for it.

Suspect that they will try to keep it under the radar as best they can.

China's thinking must be along the lines of; if the West pays a very heavy price for defending Ukraine then it is less likely to want (or able) to do the same for Taiwan.

1 hour ago, Staffsknot said:

More stuff sent by West to Ukr, less can be sent to Pacific nations.

Yep.

China must be rubbing their hands. Win win for them.

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52 minutes ago, IMHAL said:

Suspect that they will try to keep it under the radar as best they can.

China's thinking must be along the lines of; if the West pays a very heavy price for defending Ukraine then it is less likely to want (or able) to do the same for Taiwan.

Yep.

China must be rubbing their hands. Win win for them.

That and they'll probably want their hands on any  captured Western weapons.

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It'll be one year to the day in a few short hours.

Maybe we should use this unfortunate anniversary to try and summarise what Putin's illegal invasion of Ukraine has 'achieved':

  • Near total unity of the Western powers behind Ukraine
  • Russia reviled while Zelensky is the most admired man in the world
  • The EU has turned into a superpower. 70 years of German military doctrine turned on its head.
  • Finland and Sweden are in the process of joining NATO
  • Russia frozen out of the world economy
  • Russia's main export markets for its oil and gas completely shut off
  • Russia's only declared allies are North Korea, Syria, Iran and Eritrea (judged by UN votes)
  • Well north of 100,000 Russian soldiers killed
  • The Russian army outfought and defeated by a far smaller foe
  • The flagship of the Black Sea fleet sunk by a country that doesn't even have a navy
  • Russia exposed as a fascist state (Bucha, Irpin, Mariupol and a hundred other towns bear witness)
  • Increased repression and thought control at home
  • No prospect of conventional victory

Not exactly the most well executed strategy of all time.

 

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14 hours ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said:

Not sure why a different link is showing above.

 

The tweet I think this has to be one of the sickest and most vile things that I have ever seen in my life is the young girl from Mariupol deported to Russia and now being forced to hug the commander behind the destruction of Mauripol...

 

That’s just another example of child abuse by Russian NaZis

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