Staffsknot Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 14 hours ago, pig said: For crying out loud the hegemaniacs in China are supplying Russia for its war on Europe 'no limits' partnership remember ? 😂 To be generous I think China a bit stuck on which is worse, Russia losing or Russia waging the war in the first place - cheap oil is one thing but large scale instability isn't good for Chinese interests. Which presumably is why you are stuck supporting and fictionalising the reasons for Putins genocidal war: because it looks bad on China in a similar vein to Netenyahu dragging the US through the mud.... Step one of the war Zug said "Putin is putting babies in ovens" and Putin was a "Christer Fascist who must be stopped"... then miraculouly as China began bcking Russia he had a revelation an it was 'the evil West' right about the time the China Daily & Party told him to think so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 13 hours ago, bumble bee said: ... meanwhile in the UK ... Navy recruits no longer required to swim in ‘desperate’ bid to boost applications Royal Navy applicants will no longer have to prove they can swim before joining, with experts warning it is a “desperate” attempt to fix the recruitment crisis. Recruits were previously required to pass a 30-minute swim test to join the Navy, with the ability to swim being a basic-level entry requirement for the force. But since a drastic fall in applications was reported last year, the Navy has sought to remove barriers to entry to encourage a wider pool of recruits. UK defence secretary Grant Shapps claimed in February the situation was improving, with applications now at an eight-year high. The move to eradicate the need to pass a basic swimming test, however, has been described as a step too far and a “true sign of desperation” on the part of the recruiters. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/royal-navy-swim-test-defence-b2527614.html Applicants would be forced to pass the swim test as part of condition to pass basic training still. It would involve remedial lessons. Same when fitness entrance tests are relaxed its getting people through the doors - they still need to get up to the standard required but before entering service not entering training. It is also seen as a barrier to ethnic minority and poorer background entrants as access to pools cut by gov / swimming lessons in schools overcrowded and underfunded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) 14 hours ago, pig said: China Providing Geospatial Intelligence to Russia, US Warns https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-06/china-is-providing-geospatial-intelligence-to-russia-us-warns?embedded-checkout=true The circle Zug can never quite square 'Its a Western proxy war because West supplying Ukraine / giving intelligence' 'China is neutral it just provides weapons and intelligence' Iran-Iraq war was West fault - China supplied Iran, Soviets gifted more aid than anyone to Iraq during the war. Soviets were annoyed at China supplying the Afghans and the invasion of Vietnam a Soviet client state - both intended to humiliate Soviets as China - Soviet Union no longer got on. Chinese started selling to Iraq when the conflict didn't resolve quickly - because they wanted to be seen as 'neutral'. China had hoped to squeeze Russian influence out of Iran. Soviets wanted to stop China pushing it out of strategic locations / payback for supporting its enemies. Yanks were happy too. This is the reason Soviet engineers were never allowed near Iranian F-14 Tomcats. Edited April 13 by Staffsknot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Russia is apparently taking forces from its Pacific Fleet and Eastern based army and VDV forces to plug holes in Naval Infantry and army formations fighting in Ukraine. Aircraft are also having to be transferred from the Eastern stations and all Syria troop rotations on indefinite pause This highlights how even the professional army is taken serious losses and the movement of experienced and trained troops from the East dilutes the army Russia might have left when this war ends. It is also removing the 'safe billet' many thought they had. So much for making Russia more secure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumble bee Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 44 minutes ago, Staffsknot said: Russia is apparently taking forces from its Pacific Fleet and Eastern based army and VDV forces to plug holes in Naval Infantry and army formations fighting in Ukraine. Aircraft are also having to be transferred from the Eastern stations and all Syria troop rotations on indefinite pause This highlights how even the professional army is taken serious losses and the movement of experienced and trained troops from the East dilutes the army Russia might have left when this war ends. It is also removing the 'safe billet' many thought they had. So much for making Russia more secure It's because Ukraine playing second fiddle and Israel is priority right now. As things go, US and NATO are too stretched and the whole caboodle is playing well into the Putin's hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 28 minutes ago, bumble bee said: It's because Ukraine playing second fiddle and Israel is priority right now. As things go, US and NATO are too stretched and the whole caboodle is playing well into the Putin's hands. Again this is wibble as NATO members supply Ukraine from stocks not Israel. Israel largely is not using things Ukraine would ask for. For instance Israel is phasing out Patriot and is not using them in this current conflict. Try again, fail again Rollover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumble bee Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) It is you who have misfire, Putin has the upper hand now and he is going for it. Ukrainian defences 'at risk of collapse' as officials fear major Russian advance - and all-out assault to seize second city Western officials have been raising concerns in recent media reports that Ukraine's defences may be at risk of collapse in the face of a new Russian assault. Ukraine is facing shortages of both manpower and ammunition, and increasingly appears outmanned and outgunned on the battlefield. The country is now at its "most fragile moment" since the war began, Western officials with knowledge of the situation told Bloomberg. They warned Russia could be given an opening to make a major advance for the first time since near the beginning of the war. It follows reports Ukraine's second-largest city could be among the possible targets for a renewed Russian assault - with many analysts suggesting Vladimir Putin is likely to launch an all-out offensive at some point over the coming months. https://news.sky.com/story/russia-ukraine-war-latest-russia-launches-major-attack-on-ukraines-energy-infrastructure-12541713 Edited April 13 by bumble bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumble bee Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 West in 'denial' about Vladimir Putin who is 'now more powerful than Stalin', says ex-defence minister Tobias Ellwood backed calls for the UK to send troops to Ukraine to offer training - saying Putin's goal is to replicate the Russian Empire. Former defence minister Tobias Ellwood has said the West is in "denial" about Vladimir Putin, who "is now more powerful than Stalin". The senior Tory MP said he agreed with his colleague James Heappey that the UK should consider sending troops to Ukraine to give training to the armed forces in their war against Russia. Mr Ellwood said the UK had "done well to support Ukraine" but what's happening is "very worrying". He added Putin is "now the most powerful leader in Europe", comparing him to former Soviet Union leader Joseph Stalin. https://news.sky.com/story/west-in-denial-about-vladimir-putin-who-is-now-more-powerful-than-stalin-says-ex-defence-minister-13113322 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 2 hours ago, bumble bee said: West in 'denial' about Vladimir Putin who is 'now more powerful than Stalin', says ex-defence minister Tobias Ellwood backed calls for the UK to send troops to Ukraine to offer training - saying Putin's goal is to replicate the Russian Empire. Former defence minister Tobias Ellwood has said the West is in "denial" about Vladimir Putin, who "is now more powerful than Stalin". The senior Tory MP said he agreed with his colleague James Heappey that the UK should consider sending troops to Ukraine to give training to the armed forces in their war against Russia. Mr Ellwood said the UK had "done well to support Ukraine" but what's happening is "very worrying". He added Putin is "now the most powerful leader in Europe", comparing him to former Soviet Union leader Joseph Stalin. https://news.sky.com/story/west-in-denial-about-vladimir-putin-who-is-now-more-powerful-than-stalin-says-ex-defence-minister-13113322 Would that be Stalin who oversawthe last genocide in Ukraine and Russians almost universally desise for his purges, as well as spent most of his time trying to subjugate Eastern Europe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 hours ago, bumble bee said: It is you who have misfire, Putin has the upper hand now and he is going for it. Ukrainian defences 'at risk of collapse' as officials fear major Russian advance - and all-out assault to seize second city Western officials have been raising concerns in recent media reports that Ukraine's defences may be at risk of collapse in the face of a new Russian assault. Ukraine is facing shortages of both manpower and ammunition, and increasingly appears outmanned and outgunned on the battlefield. The country is now at its "most fragile moment" since the war began, Western officials with knowledge of the situation told Bloomberg. They warned Russia could be given an opening to make a major advance for the first time since near the beginning of the war. It follows reports Ukraine's second-largest city could be among the possible targets for a renewed Russian assault - with many analysts suggesting Vladimir Putin is likely to launch an all-out offensive at some point over the coming months. https://news.sky.com/story/russia-ukraine-war-latest-russia-launches-major-attack-on-ukraines-energy-infrastructure-12541713 Again if they know the Russians are going to mount this offensive they will have to shepherd resources. Its not hard excet for the hard of thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 hours ago, bumble bee said: West in 'denial' about Vladimir Putin who is 'now more powerful than Stalin', says ex-defence minister Tobias Ellwood backed calls for the UK to send troops to Ukraine to offer training - saying Putin's goal is to replicate the Russian Empire. Former defence minister Tobias Ellwood has said the West is in "denial" about Vladimir Putin, who "is now more powerful than Stalin". The senior Tory MP said he agreed with his colleague James Heappey that the UK should consider sending troops to Ukraine to give training to the armed forces in their war against Russia. Mr Ellwood said the UK had "done well to support Ukraine" but what's happening is "very worrying". He added Putin is "now the most powerful leader in Europe", comparing him to former Soviet Union leader Joseph Stalin. https://news.sky.com/story/west-in-denial-about-vladimir-putin-who-is-now-more-powerful-than-stalin-says-ex-defence-minister-13113322 Putin is preventing the Nazification of Europe as Stalin did before him. And Sunak is clearly as useless and morally corrupt as Churchill. If only we had a genuine socialist to replace him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 6 hours ago, Staffsknot said: The circle Zug can never quite square 'Its a Western proxy war because West supplying Ukraine / giving intelligence' 'China is neutral it just provides weapons and intelligence' Iran-Iraq war was West fault - China supplied Iran, Soviets gifted more aid than anyone to Iraq during the war. Soviets were annoyed at China supplying the Afghans and the invasion of Vietnam a Soviet client state - both intended to humiliate Soviets as China - Soviet Union no longer got on. Chinese started selling to Iraq when the conflict didn't resolve quickly - because they wanted to be seen as 'neutral'. China had hoped to squeeze Russian influence out of Iran. Soviets wanted to stop China pushing it out of strategic locations / payback for supporting its enemies. Yanks were happy too. This is the reason Soviet engineers were never allowed near Iranian F-14 Tomcats. Basically the Authoritarians are noble, peace-loving neutral, all seeing, all-conquering, Democracies are psychopathic warmongerers deluded by MSM into decadence. Above all hegemania rules. So long as information fits into that mould, anything goes. Posts don't need to make any sense, and any foundation in reality need only be tangential. The more Palestinians die the better, and Ukrainian deaths must be Somebody Elses Fault because blame-mongering in defence of Authoritaria is a priority. As with any and every country there is a strong amoral component to Chinas relationship with power - I tend to be philosophical about geopolitical matters and I've never had any particular beef with China other than the obvious issues that somebody from a democracy might object to. But this fanatical, reality/logic bending mode of posting together with the unpleasant fact that China is aiding a genocidal invasion in Europe is really making that difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) 3 hours ago, zugzwang said: Putin is preventing the Nazification of Europe as Stalin did before him. And Sunak is clearly as useless and morally corrupt as Churchill. If only we had a genuine socialist to replace him... Stalin did a deal with the Nazis and wiped out lots of Poles, Jews and was every bit as vicious as the Nazis. But he was a Communist so he's your boy. Man you struggle with basic history Katyn Massacre was Stalin killing Poles. Stalin did a deal with Hitler to carve up Poland before war was declared. Prior to WW2 Germany and Russia collaboratedon arms - Russia helped Germany rearm in return for design collaboration. This predated the Nazis - lookup Treaty of Rapallo and Kama Tank School. Stalin was tip top A-OK with the Nazis as long as they attacked the Western powers. He wanted to take anything East of Poland and begrudgingly said Germany could have some of Lithuania. If Finland hadn't held out so long Stalin planned to take pretty much all the countries that became Warsaw Pact. Stalin only fought the Nazis because they attacked him first. He wouldn't have cared as long as they didn't interfere with his plans Edited April 13 by Staffsknot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 hour ago, pig said: Basically the Authoritarians are noble, peace-loving neutral, all seeing, all-conquering, Democracies are psychopathic warmongerers deluded by MSM into decadence. Above all hegemania rules. So long as information fits into that mould, anything goes. Posts don't need to make any sense, and any foundation in reality need only be tangential. The more Palestinians die the better, and Ukrainian deaths must be Somebody Elses Fault because blame-mongering in defence of Authoritaria is a priority. As with any and every country there is a strong amoral component to Chinas relationship with power - I tend to be philosophical about geopolitical matters and I've never had any particular beef with China other than the obvious issues that somebody from a democracy might object to. But this fanatical, reality/logic bending mode of posting together with the unpleasant fact that China is aiding a genocidal invasion in Europe is really making that difficult. Yes the fanatical zealotry of many of these types is a borderline religion. Allheretics must burn... there can be no truthbut the Party Truth. Zug rats about self-determination yet objects to self-determination for anyone not wanting to be part of China. He just praised Stalin FFS and claimedPutin is as great as him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timm Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) EDIT: Sorry - replied to wrong post! I meant this one: Quote Again if they know the Russians are going to mount this offensive they will have to shepherd resources. Its not hard excet for the hard of thinking I really don't know anything about this issue, but the only two possibilities I can see now are that 1. Ukraine is losing, and will lose or 2. They are showing false weakness in the hope of a deep strike by the bulk of the Russian forces in the hope that they can cut the supply lines behind the Russians and wait for them to run out of supplies. I suspect that 2. is wishful thinking, but the thought must of occurred to Putin. Will he really take this risk, or just continue to obliterate the country before occupation? Edited April 13 by Timm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Just now, Timm said: I really don't know anything about this issue, but the only two possibilities I can see now are that 1. Ukraine is losing, and will lose or 2. They are showing false weakness in the hope of a deep strike by the bulk of the Russian forces in the hope that they can cut the supply lines behind the Russians and wait for them to run out of supplies. I suspect that 2. is wishful thinking, but the thought must of occurred to Putin. Will he really take this risk, or just continue to obliterate the country before occupation? Ukraine are struggling atm, its how the back and forth of this war is going. They aren't faking struggling. Russia is currently taking from units in the East and weakening its existing forces to commit more and more in a poorly run strategy of trying to win by having some troops at the end of the war. The cost is ridiculously high for them in each engagement. Whether they can hold what they take is debatable and hence the terror and repression methods. Morale amongst Russian troops is rock bottom and so if the Russian army dosn't keep moving it has big problems. Ukraine's problem is if Russia sends 12 missiles at a key piece of infrastructure there's no point using Patriots to shoot down 9 of them. That is 9 missiles better used to defend against aircraft. If they getanother aid boost and more launchers the equation changes. Ukraine needs to preserve what it can for the next Russian assault. As for history - Katyn Massacre was Stalin killing Poles. Stalin did a deal with Hitler to carve up Poland before war was declared. Prior to WW2 Germany and Russia collaboratedon arms - Russia helped Germany rearm in return for design collaboration. This predated the Nazis - lookup Treaty of Rapallo and Kama Tank School. Stalin was tip top A-OK with the Nazis as long as they attacked the Western powers. He wanted to take anything East of Poland and begrudgingly said Germany could have some of Lithuania. If Finland hadn't held out so long Stalin planned to take pretty much all the countries that became Warsaw Pact. Stalin only fought the Nazis because they attacked him first. He wouldn't have cared as long as they didn't interfere with his plans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timm Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 minutes ago, Staffsknot said: Ukraine are struggling atm, its how the back and forth of this war is going. They aren't faking struggling. Russia is currently taking from units in the East and weakening its existing forces to commit more and more in a poorly run strategy of trying to win by having some troops at the end of the war. The cost is ridiculously high for them in each engagement. Whether they can hold what they take is debatable and hence the terror and repression methods. Morale amongst Russian troops is rock bottom and so if the Russian army dosn't keep moving it has big problems. Ukraine's problem is if Russia sends 12 missiles at a key piece of infrastructure there's no point using Patriots to shoot down 9 of them. That is 9 missiles better used to defend against aircraft. If they getanother aid boost and more launchers the equation changes. Ukraine needs to preserve what it can for the next Russian assault. Thanks for replying - I know a little more now. 3 minutes ago, Staffsknot said: As for history - Katyn Massacre was Stalin killing Poles. Stalin did a deal with Hitler to carve up Poland before war was declared. Prior to WW2 Germany and Russia collaboratedon arms - Russia helped Germany rearm in return for design collaboration. This predated the Nazis - lookup Treaty of Rapallo and Kama Tank School. Stalin was tip top A-OK with the Nazis as long as they attacked the Western powers. He wanted to take anything East of Poland and begrudgingly said Germany could have some of Lithuania. If Finland hadn't held out so long Stalin planned to take pretty much all the countries that became Warsaw Pact. Stalin only fought the Nazis because they attacked him first. He wouldn't have cared as long as they didn't interfere with his plans Was this aimed at Zugswang rather than me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 11 minutes ago, Timm said: Thanks for replying - I know a little more now. Was this aimed at Zugswang rather than me? Sorry 2nd part was something the forum retrieved from a prev attempt post that failed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timm Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Just now, Staffsknot said: Sorry 2nd part was something the forum retrieved from a prev attempt post that failed It happens to us all! - see my edit above... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 minute ago, Timm said: It happens to us all! - see my edit above... No worries have tacked it onto the post to correct recipient. Joys of being on a train Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 4 hours ago, zugzwang said: Putin is preventing the Nazification of Europe as Stalin did before him. And Sunak is clearly as useless and morally corrupt as Churchill. If only we had a genuine socialist to replace him... But I thought you supported the neocon republicans and Trump in cutting off aid to Ukraine? Can hardly shout the flag for socialism when you've got into bed with Donald. You are so fecked up in infinite loops, they should base a sci-fi movie on you. You're a phenomenon of twisted perceptions, putting the wrong shapes into the wrong holes so much the nursery school teachers are videoing you while in uncontrollable hysterics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 hours ago, Timm said: EDIT: Sorry - replied to wrong post! I meant this one: I really don't know anything about this issue, but the only two possibilities I can see now are that 1. Ukraine is losing, and will lose or 2. They are showing false weakness in the hope of a deep strike by the bulk of the Russian forces in the hope that they can cut the supply lines behind the Russians and wait for them to run out of supplies. I suspect that 2. is wishful thinking, but the thought must of occurred to Putin. Will he really take this risk, or just continue to obliterate the country before occupation? Ukraine is losing ground albeit very slowly: it basically doesn't have enough ammo because Trump is blocking it. Extraordinary situation where it doesn't have enough bullets to waste the soldiers Putin is happy to waste. That said, yes the picture is a bit more complicated than that. Ukraines strategic strikes have been spectacular - Russias navy hiding in a corner of the Black Sea, and US is getting worried too much of Russias oil is going up in flames. Whether its the best they can do while they wait for supplies or whether theres a bigger strategy at play - or both - is difficult to guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 8 hours ago, Staffsknot said: Would that be Stalin who oversawthe last genocide in Ukraine and Russians almost universally desise for his purges, as well as spent most of his time trying to subjugate Eastern Europe... Stalin is worshipped in Russia now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satsuma Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 12 hours ago, pig said: Ukraine is losing ground albeit very slowly: it basically doesn't have enough ammo because Trump is blocking it. Extraordinary situation where it doesn't have enough bullets to waste the soldiers Putin is happy to waste. That said, yes the picture is a bit more complicated than that. Ukraines strategic strikes have been spectacular - Russias navy hiding in a corner of the Black Sea, and US is getting worried too much of Russias oil is going up in flames. Whether its the best they can do while they wait for supplies or whether theres a bigger strategy at play - or both - is difficult to guess. Trump has his eye on his and Russias end game, a world where Putin Trump and China have the upper hand. That world is very dark. All three rightly see Ukraine as the last spark to be extinguished, before they try to reach the end game. M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 Putin's mates in Iran may have just unblocked the Ukraine aid bill... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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