Bruce Banner Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 An economy based on buy-to-let and ever increasing house prices, the general erosion of our hard won rights and freedoms (Magna Carta, Habeas Corpus, Double Jeopardy), the Iraq war and constant CCTV surveillance. Why did they vote for him? Then we had Brown, more of the same. Nobody voted for him. Then came Cameron, elected to roll back the excesses of New Labour, but he lied, pushed up house prices even further and failed to return our rights and freedoms, topped with Brexit. Why did I vote for him? Then came May, the arch authoritarian former Home Secretary, "Brexit means Brexit". Did we vote for her? Now we have BJ. The less said about him the better. We know who voted for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: An economy based on buy-to-let and ever increasing house prices, the general erosion of our hard won rights and freedoms (Magna Carta, Habeas Corpus, Double Jeopardy), the Iraq war and constant CCTV surveillance. Why did they vote for him? Then we had Brown, more of the same. Nobody voted for him. Then came Cameron, elected to roll back the excesses of New Labour, but he lied, pushed up house prices even further and failed to return our rights and freedoms, topped with Brexit. Why did I vote for him? Then came May, the arch authoritarian former Home Secretary, "Brexit means Brexit". Did we vote for her? Now we have BJ. The less said about him the better. We know who voted for him. BJ is the best of a bad lot, and yes I did say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 The next PM will be even worse, and the one after that. Political and economic rock bottom for the younger generations should come around 2030, after that enough of the pre-Boomer and Boomer voters will have gone for it to be politically acceptable to sacrifice HPI so that policies that are actually good for the quality of life of ordinary people can live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btd1981 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Didn't Major set the ball rolling for BTL? With Thatcher laying the foundations by implementing right to buy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.steve Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) Are you saying that things were better with: John Major - an expert grey peas now famous for shacking up with Edwina with her egg obsession ? Maggie Thatcher - with her application to join "One Direction" Can other posters go further back in time? At the time of the Brexit debates, I expressed that the strongest argument for Remain would be that no-one would want the British politicians... who have been so bad that it would be undesirable to give them more authority. For some reason, that argument wasn't part of the debate. Obviously, it would depend upon voters not being as familiar with EU officials - but, even so, I think this omission had a great influence on the outcome. Edited January 15, 2022 by A.steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Bruce Banner said: An economy based on buy-to-let and ever increasing house prices, the general erosion of our hard won rights and freedoms (Magna Carta, Habeas Corpus, Double Jeopardy), the Iraq war and constant CCTV surveillance. Why did they vote for him? Then we had Brown, more of the same. Nobody voted for him. Then came Cameron, elected to roll back the excesses of New Labour, but he lied, pushed up house prices even further and failed to return our rights and freedoms, topped with Brexit. Why did I vote for him? Then came May, the arch authoritarian former Home Secretary, "Brexit means Brexit". Did we vote for her? Now we have BJ. The less said about him the better. We know who voted for him. Aaaaaggggh! BTL is 1996. Still. It started with John Major freeing the banks to lend for BTL then, in the hope it would ramp prices in time for the 1997 election. Didn't happen until 1999 really, but it DOES NOT start because of Blair. Just under him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, btd1981 said: Didn't Major set the ball rolling for BTL? With Thatcher laying the foundations by implementing right to buy? Spot on. Thatcher also removed fair Rent Cap (in 1980) as well. And stopped social house building (which is where all the private housing associations take over). It literally all starts with the Iron Lady. I suspect she would not have been happy with how it has played out, given her disdain for old Etonian types in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted January 15, 2022 Author Share Posted January 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, byron78 said: Aaaaaggggh! BTL is 1996. Still. It started with John Major freeing the banks to lend for BTL then, in the hope it would ramp prices in time for the 1997 election. Didn't happen until 1999 really, but it DOES NOT start because of Blair. Just under him... None the less, Blair presided over a BTL based economy for ten years. What about the really important stuff, the erosion of rights and freedoms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Agree with the posters saying the seeds for BTL were sown under Thatcher and Major. Assured Shorthold Tenancies were another gift from that time, without the ability to chuck tenants out on a whim many fewer power-crazed BTLers would have gone into it. The shift of about 10% of the housing stock into the private rented sector in the space of a single decade 1997-2007 is pretty incredible when you think about it, that was a huge flow of capital and yet the fact that it happened it is barely acknowledged in the public memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Bruce Banner said: None the less, Blair presided over a BTL based economy for ten years. What about the really important stuff, the erosion of rights and freedoms? Well yes, but Cameron presided over the war in Iraq. That doesn't mean he started it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted January 15, 2022 Author Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 minute ago, byron78 said: Well yes, but Cameron presided over the war in Iraq. That doesn't mean he started it! Rights and freedoms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Just now, Bruce Banner said: Rights and freedoms? I can't remember a right or freedom Blair personally took away from me either tbh. I've lost many since him. Biggest lose of rights and freedoms is of course 2016 and all that. Going abroad now is "fun"! Loving the hour long queues to go to Europe especially... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted January 15, 2022 Author Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 minute ago, byron78 said: I can't remember a right or freedom Blair personally took away from me either tbh. I've lost many since him. Biggest lose of rights and freedoms is of course 2016 and all that. Going abroad now is "fun"! Loving the hour long queues to go to Europe especially... Magna Carta, Habeas Corpus, Double Jeopardy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: Magna Carta, Habeas Corpus, Double Jeopardy? Magna Carta hasn't applied to anyone in this country for nearly a thousand years. I'm afraid a lot of idiots on the internet seem to have convinced perfectly reasonable people it's something it isn't. Even when it was valid, it only applied if you were one of a handful of a landed barons back in the day! Again, can't you get locked up now just for protesting? And Cameron nuked legal aid almost immediately. Now, the majority couldn't actively afford to fight any of this in the courts, anyway. How freeing of him! Harbeas Corpus is still there (I think)? Double Jeopardy is an anti terrorism thing, isn't it? If you're a criminal concerned about getting prosecuted for the same type of crime more than once, I suppose it might be an issue... Edited January 15, 2022 by byron78 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButter Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Thatcher elected 1979 - UK population 56mil, world population 4.4bil 2021 UK 68mil (but really well over 70mil), world pop just under 8bil. Can't add 12 million+ people to a country and not alter land/house prices. BUT https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-population-growth-slow-dramatically-2022-01-12/ LONDON, Jan 12 (Reuters) - The United Kingdom's population growth is projected to slow dramatically in the next decade, largely due to lower assumptions about future fertility levels making net immigration a crucial variable over coming decades. The United Kingdom's population is projected to grow 3.2% to 69.2 million in the decade to 2030, up from 67.1 million in 2020. In the decade to 2020, the population grew by 4.3 million, or 6.9%. From 1995 to 2020, the population grew by 9.1 million, or 15.6%; from 2020 to 2045, it will grow 3.9 million, or 5.8%, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said. By 2045, the UK population will be 71.0 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Orange Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Yeah, the Magna Carta is a very overhyped legal document, especially when it was about reinforcing the power and authority of barons in a Feudal system and pro-Feudalism in general, just trying to curtail the power of the central monarch (while the barons act like mini-kings anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezbeatbytheestateagent Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 The next one will be Sunak....just imagine... hes the one that has caused hyper HPI and inflation within a short period of time due to stupid dumb socialist ideas and handouts! Now imagine what damage he could do as PM.....well you are gonna find out very soon! My prediction is Sunak will go down in history as the worst PM this country will ever see.....kinda like the socialist mess in the USA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted January 15, 2022 Author Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 minute ago, byron78 said: Magna Carta hasn't applied to anyone in this country for nearly a thousand years. And even then, only if you were a landed baron back in the day! Again, can't you get locked up just for protesting now? Harbeas Corpus is still there? Double Jeopardy is an anti terrorism thing, isn't it? If you're a criminal concerned about getting prosecuted for the same type of crime more than once, I suppose it might be an issue... Monthly Review | The End of Habeas Corpus in Great Britain In U.K., Double Jeopardy's in Jeopardy - ABC News (go.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: Monthly Review | The End of Habeas Corpus in Great Britain In U.K., Double Jeopardy's in Jeopardy - ABC News (go.com) Yep, anti terror stuff. British Library rather highlights how Magna Carta is more a conceptual brand now than anything actually practical now. https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/magna-carta-in-the-modern-age It really is mostly about wiers and fishing rights! 😅 Again, has any of the anti terror stuff that was trumpeted ever affected anyone here in the real world? (It may have. Some here may have been stopped and searched because of skin colour and the like I suppose). Only rights I've personally lost and actually noticed have been taken by the last few governments. Edited January 15, 2022 by byron78 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miguel Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 25 minutes ago, byron78 said: Well yes, but Cameron presided over the war in Iraq. That doesn't mean he started it! No but he sure voted for it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, miguel said: No but he sure voted for it!! He did. As did a much higher percentage of Tory MPs than Labour. (Same with the banking bailouts in 2008. People seem to forget our opposition to New Labour was largely "they should have gone in even harder!" The logic in the Tory party right up until the banking crisis was that Blair and Brown were holding the banks back and that the financial sectors needed even LESS regulation!) Edited January 15, 2022 by byron78 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButter Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Bruce Banner said: Then came May, the arch authoritarian former Home Secretary, "Brexit means Brexit". Did we vote for her? Didn't vote for her, obviously, but looking back she was better than Johnson the clown. On a world stage she didn't make us look like a country of idiots, just misguided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) The easy credit era began with Thatcher. We've been borrowing to maintain our living standards ever since, using our houses as collateral. When that open prostitution to the City of London collapsed in 2008 the govt picked up the pieces and started borrowing on our behalf reversing the deleveraging process that would have restored the UK to financial health. So the private sector debt bubble endures, still a crushing 170% of GDP. Edited January 15, 2022 by zugzwang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted January 15, 2022 Author Share Posted January 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, PeanutButter said: Didn't vote for her, obviously, but looking back she was better than Johnson the clown. On a world stage she didn't make us look like a country of idiots, just misguided. Yes, without a doubt BJ is the worst by a big margin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trampa501 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Quote The easy credit era began with Thatcher Not so sure about this one. I understand there was a decision made in the early 90s by world banks to ease credit regulations (possibly as a response to Japan's difficulties). I don't have a link but will try and get back later on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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