Coronavirus - potential Black Swan?

[zugzwang]

10 minutes ago, Arpeggio said:

Yes. I've heard about that one. Pharmakeia greek for sorcery. Interesting.

Selah! Selah! Come out of Babylon!

 

[Ah-so]

50 minutes ago, FallingAwake said:

Curious that in Greek, the root word for sorcery and pharmacy are the same word, i.e. in the book of Revelation, ch 18: "For your merchants were the great ones of the earth, and all nations were deceived by your sorcery [Greek pharmakeia; literally drugging, enchantment]"

I hadn't heard this before, and while it is of trivial interest, I see that it is mainly queried through how it has been used in the Bible. Witches have long been associated with potions, for good or ill, so perhaps not surprising that people would behave associated the two in very ignorant times. 

I suspect this question is having a revival now on the internet as the American evangelical right continues its fight against science and realises that associating medicine with witchcraft might be a new angle to build mistrust in the medical establishment. 

[Ah-so]

7 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

Selah! Selah! Come out of Babylon!

 

I would love to hear the internal monologue of Donald Trump's brain during this. 

I suspect it's one time when my thought process and Trump's might be quite aligned. 

[Arpeggio]

1 hour ago, FallingAwake said:

Curious that in Greek, the root word for sorcery and pharmacy are the same word, i.e. in the book of Revelation, ch 18: "For your merchants were the great ones of the earth, and all nations were deceived by your sorcery [Greek pharmakeia; literally drugging, enchantment]"

Uncanny. I was also going to add that there's a reason I never mentioned this ⬆️ despite already knowing it!

 

40 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

Selah! Selah! Come out of Babylon!

31 minutes ago, Ah-so said:

I would love to hear the internal monologue of Donald Trump's brain during this. 

I suspect it's one time when my thought process and Trump's might be quite aligned. 

*Voice of Spock from Star Treck*:

I've no idea but I would think "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth".

https://www.spiritualtravels.info/spiritual-sites-around-the-world/new-zealand/the-maori-welcome-ceremony/

"Thankyou, it's an honour".

I don't concern myself with the packaging of goodwill or intent. A bit like if someone gives me a present I know I don't materially need but the person who gave it is enthusiastic about it.

That is your lesson about humans for today.

Edited September 9, 2021 by Arpeggio

[Arpeggio]

EU lists "rare" nerve disorder as possible side-effect of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine

interesting comments

 

 

 

 

[vadst43]

Israel sadly leads the way

Also, as any Pfool should know:

https://leohohmann.com/2021/09/09/the-rising-biomedical-security-state-is-determined-to-use-covid-to-reduce-every-human-being-to-a-qr-code/

[zugzwang]

13 hours ago, Ah-so said:

I would love to hear the internal monologue of Donald Trump's brain during this. 

I suspect it's one time when my thought process and Trump's might be quite aligned. 

 

He's smiling because he knows a carny routine when he see one. Trump's entire life has been about selling circus candy.

"Al A Gaz Zam!"

Occasional, jocular greeting from one pitchman to another.

[FallingAwake]

Teenage Boys Six Times More Likely to Suffer Heart Problems from Vaccine Than to Be Hospitalised from Covid, According to New Study
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/09/10/teenage-boys-six-times-more-likely-to-suffer-heart-problems-from-vaccine-than-to-be-hospitalised-from-covid-according-to-new-study/

Here's the link to the original Telegraph article, but since it's behind a paywall, the above link quotes extensively from it:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/09/teenage-boys-risk-vaccines-covid/

I guess Joe Biden didn't get the memo.

[dances with sheeple]

2 hours ago, FallingAwake said:

Teenage Boys Six Times More Likely to Suffer Heart Problems from Vaccine Than to Be Hospitalised from Covid, According to New Study
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/09/10/teenage-boys-six-times-more-likely-to-suffer-heart-problems-from-vaccine-than-to-be-hospitalised-from-covid-according-to-new-study/

Here's the link to the original Telegraph article, but since it's behind a paywall, the above link quotes extensively from it:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/09/teenage-boys-risk-vaccines-covid/

I guess Joe Biden didn't get the memo.

His comments yesterday are the start of his downward spiral IMO.

[Bruce Banner]

38 minutes ago, dances with sheeple said:

His comments yesterday are the start of his downward spiral IMO.

Sounded like a implicit threat to me and with only 50% of the vote that's not going to go down well.

[dances with sheeple]

1 minute ago, Bruce Banner said:

Sounded like a implicit threat to me and with only 50% of the vote that's not going to go down well.

Yes, I think the media might start being more critical, and it will just take something like ER nurses or other key workers leaving because of this threat and being vocal on social media to make his position very uncomfortable.

[Confusion of VIs]

3 hours ago, FallingAwake said:

Teenage Boys Six Times More Likely to Suffer Heart Problems from Vaccine Than to Be Hospitalised from Covid, According to New Study
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/09/10/teenage-boys-six-times-more-likely-to-suffer-heart-problems-from-vaccine-than-to-be-hospitalised-from-covid-according-to-new-study/

Here's the link to the original Telegraph article, but since it's behind a paywall, the above link quotes extensively from it:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/09/teenage-boys-risk-vaccines-covid/

I guess Joe Biden didn't get the memo.

Maybe Joe wasn't taken in by the apples and oranges comparison

[vadst43]

33 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Maybe Joe wasn't taken in by the apples and oranges comparison

Care to elaborate?

I'd thnk btw SloJoe makes few decisions at Presidential level

[Confusion of VIs]

5 minutes ago, vadst43 said:

Care to elaborate?

I'd thnk btw SloJoe makes few decisions at Presidential level

 

Apples and pears. Most vaccine related heart inflammations are asymptomatic only picked up because the vaccine recipients were being monitored for this side effect, majority of the rest resolve themselves or respond to treatment. On the other hand Hospitalisations imply a severe case of Covid, that although very unlikely to be fatal will have a significant chance of leaving the patient with long term effects.   There was a link to a paper that detailed the vaccine recipients testing, symptoms and treatment posted on here a few weeks ago, did you not read it.  

You are probably right, perhaps he will prove to be the new Reagan. 

[Arpeggio]

Cuba vaccinations don't go further back than June 1st on Our World in Data:

 

 

The vaccine saviours song: https://www.abc.net.au/radio/canberra/programs/breakfast/parody-party-vaccine-saviours/13533462

NAB changes logo to JAB to encourage vaccination

 

3 hours ago, FallingAwake said:

Teenage Boys Six Times More Likely to Suffer Heart Problems from Vaccine Than to Be Hospitalised from Covid, According to New Study
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/09/10/teenage-boys-six-times-more-likely-to-suffer-heart-problems-from-vaccine-than-to-be-hospitalised-from-covid-according-to-new-study/

Here's the link to the original Telegraph article, but since it's behind a paywall, the above link quotes extensively from it:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/09/teenage-boys-risk-vaccines-covid/

I guess Joe Biden didn't get the memo.

More than 100 Ontario youth sent to hospital for vaccine-related heart problems: Report

[scottbeard]

6 minutes ago, Arpeggio said:

 

 

 

 

Whilst I'm sure you'd love it if somehow that big spike in cases was related to the vaccines, there is absolutely no evidence of it from those charts alone.

Firstly, if the gradually-administered vaccines were to blame, wouldn't the cases gradually tick up, not be flat - then shoot up - then be flat again?

And secondly, it sounds like back in the summer Cuba's testing wasn't really working ....  https://tass.com/society/1310745

[Arpeggio]

https://www.ntd.com/man-diagnosed-with-leukemia-after-vaccination_673115.html

Interesting video

8 minutes ago, scottbeard said:

Whilst I'm sure you'd love it if somehow that big spike in cases was related to the vaccines, there is absolutely no evidence of it from those charts alone.

You are emotional.

8 minutes ago, scottbeard said:

Firstly, if the gradually-administered vaccines were to blame, wouldn't the cases gradually tick up, not be flat - then shoot up - then be flat again?

And secondly, it sounds like back in the summer Cuba's testing wasn't really working ....  https://tass.com/society/1310745

The chart I posted is deaths not cases. Are you saying that C19 deaths shot up in early September because they started testing more / differently?

.....with the soon to be dropped from Emergency use Authorization PCR tests, that the FDA say can't differentiate between C19 and many other things?

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

"Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms........This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens."

https://www.fda.gov/media/136151/download

"Positive results do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease."

 

https://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=26&c=cu&l=en

[zugzwang]

2 hours ago, Arpeggio said:

https://www.ntd.com/man-diagnosed-with-leukemia-after-vaccination_673115.html

Interesting video

You are emotional.

The chart I posted is deaths not cases. Are you saying that C19 deaths shot up in early September because they started testing more / differently?

.....with the soon to be dropped from Emergency use Authorization PCR tests, that the FDA say can't differentiate between C19 and many other things?

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

"Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms........This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens."

https://www.fda.gov/media/136151/download

"Positive results do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease."

 

https://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=26&c=cu&l=en

This indicator is significantly affected by age distribution, and most countries will eventually show a rise in the overall death rate, in spite of continued decline in mortality at all ages, as declining fertility results in an aging population.

Q. If Goofy's a dog that dresses like a man and walks upright, then what's Pluto?

[Arpeggio]

10 hours ago, vadst43 said:

Israel sadly leads the way

Also, as any Pfool should know:

https://leohohmann.com/2021/09/09/the-rising-biomedical-security-state-is-determined-to-use-covid-to-reduce-every-human-being-to-a-qr-code/

"Pfool" I see what you did there!

Underway in South Africa: https://www.citizen.co.za/news/covid-19/2620914/digital-vaccination-certificate-what-you-need-to-know/

Covid horror as CT scan shows swab test causes man's brain to LEAK for nine months

Shoved around on the cribriform plate. Someone who worked for the NHS told me a relative of theirs in their 60s was hospitalized and died a week after getting a test. Similarly a recent story of an A&E attendant correlates to the Ambulance Syndromic Surveys I posted.

 

25 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

This indicator is significantly affected by age distribution, and most countries will eventually show a rise in the overall death rate, in spite of continued decline in mortality at all ages, as declining fertility results in an aging population.

Yes, the movement of Cuba deaths to 2020 is in line with trend. This is same point I already made regarding Brazil.

In the post you are replying to, I show only a link with a chart regarding Cuba, assuming people will see my point. Do I have to extrapolate every detail so as to avoid you elaborating as though you are somehow correcting or enlightening me on something?

 

25 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

Q. If Goofy's a dog that dresses like a man and walks upright, then what's Pluto?

A strange man with fetish for dressing up as a dog and being led around by a leash by his own dog that is dressed as a man.

Edited September 10, 2021 by Arpeggio

[zugzwang]

4 minutes ago, Arpeggio said:

"Pfool" I see what you did there!

Underway in South Africa: https://www.citizen.co.za/news/covid-19/2620914/digital-vaccination-certificate-what-you-need-to-know/

Covid horror as CT scan shows swab test causes man's brain to LEAK for nine months

Shoved around on the cribriform plate. Someone who worked for the NHS told me a relative of theirs in their 60s was hospitalized and died a week after getting a test. Similarly a recent story of an A&E attendant correlates to the Ambulance Syndromic Surveys I posted.

 

Yes, the movement of Cuba deaths to 2020 is in line with trend. This is same point I already made regarding Brazil.

In the post you are replying to, I show only a link with a chart regarding Cuba, assuming people will see my point. Do I have to extrapolate every detail so as to avoid you elaborating as though you are somehow correcting or enlightening me on something?

 

A strange man with fetish for dressing up as a dog and being led around by a leash by his own dog that is dressed as a man.

 

I seem to spend most of my time on this thread correcting or enlightening your thinking.

Pluto is a dwarf planet.

There, see. I've had to do it again!

[Mikhail Liebenstein]

 I've just been to a live event with over 1000 people, indoors and no masks. Just like the old days!

Except for one guy, I did wonder, given the fuss he made about masks and social distancing if he was one if our Covidian cultists?

Edited September 10, 2021 by Mikhail Liebenstein

[scottbeard]

7 hours ago, Arpeggio said:

You are emotional.

The chart I posted is deaths not cases. Are you saying that C19 deaths shot up in early September because they started testing more / differently?

Too right I'm emotional.  I'm fed up of this anti-vax stuff.

So emotional in fact that I misread the chart as cases, when it is fact deaths.

Same point applies - vaccines are applied gradually, deaths shoot up.  There's not even an obvious correlation between the lines let alone any suggestion of a causation.

[Arpeggio]

42 minutes ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said:

 I've just been to a live event with over 1000 people, indoors and no masks. Just like the old days!

Except for one guy, I did wonder, given the fuss he made about masks and social distancing if he was one if our Covidian cultists?

I went to an event with a few 100 where nobody wore a mask and got into a conversation with a virologist who told me the importance of mask wearing. We had to lean in to hear each other as the music was loud.

There is one good thing about this thing going on as long as it is; that certain types are coming out of their cracks to show their true colours: https://www.wnd.com/2021/09/hungarian-teacher-promises-better-grades-vaccinated-children/

https://www.strokejournal.org/article/S1052-3057(21)00341-4/fulltext  

"We attribute this fatal thrombotic condition to the vaccine"

 

2 minutes ago, scottbeard said:

Too right I'm emotional.  I'm fed up of this anti-vax stuff.

So emotional in fact that I misread the chart as cases, when it is fact deaths.

Same point applies - vaccines are applied gradually, deaths shoot up.  There's not even an obvious correlation between the lines let alone any suggestion of a causation.

Sorry you feel this way. I don't see you as an *sshole on here and don't think you are coming from the same place as those who are. I won't pursue this with you.

[Mikhail Liebenstein]

23 hours ago, FallingAwake said:

Teenage Boys Six Times More Likely to Suffer Heart Problems from Vaccine Than to Be Hospitalised from Covid, According to New Study
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/09/10/teenage-boys-six-times-more-likely-to-suffer-heart-problems-from-vaccine-than-to-be-hospitalised-from-covid-according-to-new-study/

Here's the link to the original Telegraph article, but since it's behind a paywall, the above link quotes extensively from it:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/09/teenage-boys-risk-vaccines-covid/

I guess Joe Biden didn't get the memo.

I think it is important people read this.  

Nadhim Zahawi has turned into some sort of mad muller: 

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Teenage boys more at risk from vaccines than Covid

Young males are six times more likely to suffer from heart problems after being jabbed than be hospitalised from coronavirus, study finds

ByCamilla Turner,  EDUCATION EDITOR9 September 2021 • 5:30pm

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Teenage boys are six times more likely to suffer from heart problems from the vaccine than be hospitalised from Covid-19, a major study has found 

Children who face the highest risk of a “cardiac adverse event” are boys aged between 12 and 15 following two doses of a vaccine, according to new research from the US. 

The findings come as Professor Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, prepares to advise ministers on whether there is a wider benefit to society from vaccinating children.

Last week, the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) delivered its long-awaited verdict, saying the “margin of benefit” of jabbing 12- to 15-year-olds was “considered too small” and citing the low risk to healthy children from the virus.

However, Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, said he wanted Prof Whitty and the chief medical officers from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to “consider the vaccination of 12- to 15-year-olds from a broader perspective”.

He said he would then “consider the advice from the chief medical officers, building on the advice from the JCVI, before making a decision shortly”.

Report will prompt fresh concerns over jabs for children

Research published on Thursday will prompt fresh concerns about whether the risk of the vaccine outweighs the benefits for otherwise healthy children.

A team led by Dr Tracy Hoeg at the University of California investigated the rate of cardiac myocarditis - heart inflammation – and chest pain in children aged 12-17 following their second dose of the vaccine.

They then compared this with the likelihood of children needing hospital treatment owing to Covid-19, at times of low, moderate and high rates of hospitalisation.

Researchers found that the risk of heart complications for boys aged 12-15 following the vaccine was 162.2 per million, which was the highest out of all the groups they looked at.

Evidence from studies show it is unlikely for boys to suffer either heart problems from the vaccine or be hospitalised by Covid.

The second highest rate was among boys aged 16-17 (94.0 per million) followed by girls aged 16-17 (13.4 per million) and girls aged 12-15 (13.0 per million).

Meanwhile, the risk of a healthy boy needing hospital treatment owing to Covid-19 in the next 120 days is 26.7 per million. This means the risk they face from heart complications is 6.1 times higher than that of hospitalisation.

This is based on current rates of hospitalisations from Covid-19, which are judged to be “moderate”. During a period of low risk of hospitalisation, such as June 2021, the likelihood of heart complications rises to 22.8 times higher, and during a period of high risk, such as January 2021, the likelihood of heart complications is still 4.3 times higher.

The study, which has not yet been peer reviewed, analysed reports of adverse effects children have suffered from the vaccine between January and June of this year.

The study looked at MRNA vaccines - such as Pfizer and Moderna - which will be particularly relevant for Britain because youngsters will not be given the AstraZeneca jab because of the increased risk of dangerous blood clots.

Last Friday, the JCVI could only recommend that jabs among 12- to 15-year-olds be extended to include children with major heart, lung, kidney, liver and neurological conditions.

But ministers are understood to be keen to give the children’s vaccine roll out the green light, and the NHS has already started recruiting thousands of vaccinators for schools.

 

[Will!]

39 minutes ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said:

I think it is important people read this.  

It’s more important they understand it.