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On 17/02/2024 at 18:56, pig said:

For crying out loud its not 2016  - do we really need to go through this bizarre "sovereignty" rubbish again lol?

 

Do figureheads do this?? Does Charlie Boy III ? PM Richy Boy hands out portfolios and sets the policy agenda.

https://commissioners.ec.europa.eu/ursula-von-der-leyen_en

According to the treaties, the President decides on the organisation of the Commission and allocates portfolios to individual Commissioners. The President also sets the Commission's policy agenda.

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40 minutes ago, yodigo said:

Do figureheads do this?? Does Charlie Boy III ? PM Richy Boy hands out portfolios and sets the policy agenda.

https://commissioners.ec.europa.eu/ursula-von-der-leyen_en

According to the treaties, the President decides on the organisation of the Commission and allocates portfolios to individual Commissioners. The President also sets the Commission's policy agenda.

Does anybody sane get hysterical over this kind of thing ?

FYI Wikipedia recap on the EUs membership of the G7:

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The President of the European Commission has attended since he was first invited to the third G7 summit in 1977, Roy Jenkins was the then-President.[2]Since 1981 the President has attended all sessions of the G7.[3] The EU is currently represented by the Commission President and the President of the European Council.[2] The latter used to be the rotating chair of the council of EU state leaders, with irregular attendance since 1982.[4] The Council Presidency sometimes coincided with one of the G8 members, in which case that leader attended with their national and European mandate.[2] Since 2009, the President of the European Council is a permanent position, who always attends the summits. As the EU is a member, what the Presidents endorse at the G7 is politically binding on them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_and_the_G7#:~:text=The EU attends due to,to assume responsibility for Phare.

Edit: OK also G8 until Russia got slung out.

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Brussels: Angry farmers launch manure and eggs at police near EU meeting in latest protest

Brussels police said that 900 tractors had entered the city, many heading for the European Council building where the ministers were gathered.

Officers in riot gear, some behind concrete barriers and barbed wire, fired water cannons and tear gas at protesters as they defended the EU's headquarters.

https://news.sky.com/story/brussels-angry-farmers-launch-manure-and-eggs-at-police-near-eu-meeting-in-latest-protest-13081606

Spot of bother in Utopia today.

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And round and round we go! The whole of the UK have to pay an extra £250m a year and lose investment (and let's admit it food protection) because of NI , yet all the UK has heard for the past few Brexit years is what a terrible situation NI is  in  due to Brexit! 

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/food-trade-bodies-consider-legal-182120682.html

Food trade bodies consider legal action over post-Brexit ‘not for EU’ labelling

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So the Tories need the blob to deal with the fall out .....

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/the-new-report-that-spells-out-the-waste-and-muddle-of-the-uks-response-to-brexit/

The so-called bloated eurocrats of Brussels – all 32,000 of them – must be laughing into their foaming steins of blanche beer.

Because in order to replicate what all 32,000 of these much-maligned workers do for the whole of the European Union (which comprises 27 countries), the UK has found it can only do with 100,000 new civil servants recruited in the wake of Brexit. And despite that hiring spree, we are still failing to deal properly with the consequences of leaving the EU.

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On 01/03/2024 at 15:07, Dweller said:

 

And round and round we go! The whole of the UK have to pay an extra £250m a year and lose investment (and let's admit it food protection) because of NI , yet all the UK has heard for the past few Brexit years is what a terrible situation NI is  in  due to Brexit! 

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/food-trade-bodies-consider-legal-182120682.html

Food trade bodies consider legal action over post-Brexit ‘not for EU’ labelling

Stupid, pointless labels. Who's going to stop a Eire resident driving over the border to Tesco and bringing back "not for EU" food. No one. Of course they know that, and yet the silly games continue.

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55 minutes ago, yodigo said:

Stupid, pointless labels. Who's going to stop a Eire resident driving over the border to Tesco and bringing back "not for EU" food. No one. Of course they know that, and yet the silly games continue.

It's a sensible compromise, the alternative being a hard border in the Irish sea. 

Given that, according to the OBR, Brexit has already cost us twice as much as Covid another £250m a year isn't even a rounding error.   

 

 

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Who could have possibly predicted this as an outcome! ?

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/unionist-unity-on-display-as-dup-uup-and-tuv-reject-new-eu-geographical-indication-law-in-a-first-of-its-kind-vote-but-that-does-not-automatically-kill-the-proposal-4561288

Unionists have united on the floor of the Assembly to reject the idea of imposing a new EU law upon Northern Ireland in a first-of-its-kind vote.

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1 hour ago, msi said:

Portsmouth's new Brexit border post could be demolished

A new £24m border control post may have to be demolished because repeated changes to post-Brexit border arrangements have left it commercially unviable.

 

 

WorDs fAiL mE

Guess it is going to be state owned because it will be run at a massive loss and accountable to no one so no takers 

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1 hour ago, Dweller said:

WorDs fAiL mE

Guess it is going to be state owned because it will be run at a massive loss and accountable to no one so no takers 

Are you talking about the Border post or Br*xit ? ;)

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@Confusion of VIs

Brexit and the dubious doppelgangers     [NB this is edited, to read the full article see the link below]

 Brexit doppelgangers are an attempt to answer what might have happened to the UK economy if the UK had not voted to leave the European Union on the 23 June 2016.

These models are constructed by comparing the actual historic UK GDP performance over a set period of time and then comparing that to the actual historic GDP performance from a blended range of other countries over that same time period. The modeller selects his comparator countries and then changes the proportions of each in his “doppelganger” until it produces a GDP performance which broadly matches the actual historic economic performance of the UK over that same time period. 

The modeller then rolls forward in time to see how that doppelganger performed after Brexit — comparing that to the actual performance of the UK economy. The difference between the two is the supposed loss in GDP caused by Brexit.

....there are a large number of countries and country weightings that one can model which would produce a close match to historic UK GDP growth over a set time period. But each selection, once extrapolated forward, will produce hugely divergent outcomes. So on what basis do you choose which countries to include and which weights to apply?

...The CER doppelganger index for GDP…includes very different economies like Greece which had a totally distinctive experience of economic growth in the 2009-16 period, and countries like Iceland where the economic structure is unlike that of the UK, or indeed of anywhere else. It also includes Ireland where the GDP data is highly distorted by the huge inflow of profits from multinational companies attracted by Ireland’s tax haven policies. Large weights are given to continental economies with large raw material exports, including the USA, Canada and Australia.

..Let’s assume that by some miracle you have identified a basket of countries which somehow, when combined in precisely the weights you have chosen, exactly replicates the UK economy. The same balance of services to manufacturing and agriculture. The same balance of consumption, investment, exports and imports. The same demographic profile. The same immigration rates. The same balance of payments, debt to equity, tax rates, energy use/price etc. The one thing you can 100 per cent guarantee is that the further you move forward into the future the less alike your doppelganger and the real UK would become. Because all of the above — and much, much more — would diverge over time. 

...when the CER produces the chart below and states that the cost of Brexit has been 5.5 per cent, they are saying that any and all divergence between the UK and US economies after the vote to leave the EU was caused by Brexit. Nothing. Not a penny or a cent is ascribed to any other event at all. Not COVID, not the energy crisis, not the different decisions made as a result. None of them mattered one iota. Brexit was and is all. 

...for Goldman Sachs’s doppelganger to be correct — that Brexit has indeed reduced UK GDP by 5 per cent — that would mean Goldman Sachs are arguing that (inside the EU) the UK would have grown GDP by 13.4 per cent over a period the Eurozone only grew 8.6 per cent and Germany 5.8 per cent.

That is 55 per cent higher GDP growth than the Eurozone and 131 per cent higher GDP growth than Germany. For the Centre for European Reform’s model to be correct, the UK would have had to have grown nearly two and a half times faster than Germany.

Again, it should be quite clear to everybody that this is simply not plausible in the real world.

https://thecritic.co.uk/brexit-and-the-dubious-doppelgangers/

 

 

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Farmers ride tractors into central London in major protest over trade deals

Tractor-riding farmers have descended on Westminster to protest against trading arrangments they claim will “decimate” British farming and jeapordise UK food security.

Campaign groups Save British Farming and Fairness for Farmers of Kent have assembled a “go-slow” convoy around parliament with organisers expecting 50 to 100 tractors as well as other farm vehicles.

Another could be seen with a banner reading: “Stop substandard imports” as protesters held placards saying “Beep for freedom”.

Wiltshire beef and arable farmer Liz Webster said: “In 2019, this government was elected with a mandate to uphold our standards and deliver a ready-made deal with the EU which would see British agriculture boom. It is now entirely obvious that they have totally betrayed us all.

We need a radical change of policy and an urgent exit from these appalling trade deals which will decimate British food.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/farmer-protest-london-tractor-convoy-b2518396.html

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On 15/03/2024 at 17:11, Dweller said:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/british-farmers-export-no-beef-to-australia-under-uks-first-post-brexit-fta-370421/

British farmers export no beef to Australia under UK’s first post-Brexit FTA

Australian farmers, meanwhile, have managed to export 1,700 tonnes of beef to the UK, according to the Department of Business and Trade.

Look, this was never about beef exports !

Essentially, our beef is imported from Ireland.  They don't like us, but they are controlling the price of beef in the UK.

Also bear in mind that beef consumption will need to be severely curtailed in the Net Zero plan.  Cattle rearing produces far too much greenhouse gas and it has to go.  It's over.  You will be eating maggot burgers and you will love it.

 

 

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