IMHAL Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 BBC reporting on the vial shortage affecting the NHS. They state it's due to haulier issues and border problems, no mention that Brexit is the cause. So now we have a Brexit issue that potentially will result in UK lives, reported without using the Brexit word. Is this how 'these shortages' now get normalised? Of course, in Brexit speak, vial shortage is good because we should be producing them locally, blah blah...more money for British workers blah blah. Just waiting till we have a shortage of food.....get thinner blah blah.... Brexit is so totally reactionary and post event justified, it's cringe worthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnylattej Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 13 hours ago, Dave Beans said: I don't really feel sorry for the supermarkets. They've been rinsing farmers for years. Dictating prices & terms to them and then dropping them whenever they've felt like it... Do you mean the very heavily subsidised UK farmers who voted 3:1 in favour of Brexit and are now complaining about a labour shortage that they voted for? The same farmers, who, to use your words, 'have been rinsing' the UK taxpayers for generations. The same farmers that have convicted of modern slavery offences and contraventions of environmental control acts. And the same farmers who voted for Brexit, so the 'we have control' and then complain about FTA with NZ and Aus. The conduct of the supermarkets is poor, but the farmers are no better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9932541/Pig-farmers-warn-destroy-perfectly-healthy-animals-worker-shortage.html Pig farmers warn they will have to destroy 'perfectly healthy' animals after shortage of workers leaves 70,000 stranded on farms as supply chain crisis grips Britain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexton Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, yelims said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9932541/Pig-farmers-warn-destroy-perfectly-healthy-animals-worker-shortage.html Pig farmers warn they will have to destroy 'perfectly healthy' animals after shortage of workers leaves 70,000 stranded on farms as supply chain crisis grips Britain Pick your own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 10 hours ago, IMHAL said: BBC reporting on the vial shortage affecting the NHS. They state it's due to haulier issues and border problems, no mention that Brexit is the cause. So now we have a Brexit issue that potentially will result in UK lives, reported without using the Brexit word. Is this how 'these shortages' now get normalised? Of course, in Brexit speak, vial shortage is good because we should be producing them locally, blah blah...more money for British workers blah blah. Just waiting till we have a shortage of food.....get thinner blah blah.... Brexit is so totally reactionary and post event justified, it's cringe worthy. There's a nationwide shortage of vials in the USA. Is that because of Brexit? https://www.reglab.org/news/nationwide-shortage-of-light-blue-citrate-tubes-and-surepathtm-vials/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said: There's a nationwide shortage of vials in the USA. Is that because of Brexit? https://www.reglab.org/news/nationwide-shortage-of-light-blue-citrate-tubes-and-surepathtm-vials/ Your article gives no causes for the US shortage. The BBC specifically stated the reasons for our shortage being hauliers and border issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 hour ago, skinnylattej said: Do you mean the very heavily subsidised UK farmers who voted 3:1 in favour of Brexit and are now complaining about a labour shortage that they voted for? The same farmers, who, to use your words, 'have been rinsing' the UK taxpayers for generations. The same farmers that have convicted of modern slavery offences and contraventions of environmental control acts. And the same farmers who voted for Brexit, so the 'we have control' and then complain about FTA with NZ and Aus. The conduct of the supermarkets is poor, but the farmers are no better. The lowering of food prices has basically killed off many of the small farm holdings.. We need to be buying our meat from the local butcher, not from the supermarket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, IMHAL said: Your article gives no causes for the US shortage. The BBC specifically stated the reasons for our shortage being hauliers and border issues. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58324108 In its guidance, NHS England said "alternative products are being sought to alleviate these constraints," as a result of the global shortages of blood tube products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58324108 In its guidance, NHS England said "alternative products are being sought to alleviate these constraints," as a result of the global shortages of blood tube products. No shortages here in evil Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slawek Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 11 hours ago, Dave Beans said: ..and if the lowest paid got £150 quid a month on top due to the wages floor being lifted... I think it is more like £50 per month (£0.19/h). It is likely to increase prices and cause some businesses to close down. It is difficult to estimate the cost for the customers but it is probably a few times less than due to 10k/pa more paid to lorry drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 10 hours ago, IMHAL said: BBC reporting on the vial shortage affecting the NHS. They state it's due to haulier issues and border problems, no mention that Brexit is the cause. Not to worry, I'm best mates with a number of cabinet ministers and my small dry cleaning business in Ludlow will happily supply vials 🧪 in exchange for a £30m contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slawek Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 15 minutes ago, Dave Beans said: The lowering of food prices has basically killed off many of the small farm holdings.. We need to be buying our meat from the local butcher, not from the supermarket. They were killed and replaced by cheaper/better foreign producers. The true is farming in the UK is more expensive than in some other parts of the world. You can't have both a global Britain and the significant UK farming. Are you going to call for buying only British made goods, even if they are more expensive and sometimes worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, slawek said: They were killed and replaced by cheaper/better foreign producers. The true is farming in the UK is more expensive than in some other parts of the world. You can't have both a global Britain and the significant UK farming. Are you going to call for buying only British made goods, even if they are more expensive and sometimes worse? ...Better? So the EU, for example are going to ban live cattle exports? https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/animal-welfare-group-raises-concern-over-live-exports-1.4147236 Animals aren't at all left on ferries, for hours at a time.. ...or ,for example, Brazil burning huge swathes of rainforest, in order to provide us with Beef. Carbon taxation well be the next game changer in protecting farming from cheap imports. https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/125778344/the-carbon-border-tax-that-could-hit-nz-exports People can buy from whoever they want.. but don't underestimate people's willingness to buy local, especially if they think that Farmer Rob from down the road is being directly helped and that it hasn't travelled several thousand miles to reach their plate. Edited August 30, 2021 by Dave Beans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miguel Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, Dave Beans said: ...Better? So the EU, for example are going to ban live cattle exports? https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/animal-welfare-group-raises-concern-over-live-exports-1.4147236 Animals aren't at all left on ferries, for hours at a time.. ...or ,for example, Brazil burning huge swathes of rainforest, in order to provide us with Beef. Carbon taxation well be the next game changer in protecting farming from cheap imports. https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/125778344/the-carbon-border-tax-that-could-hit-nz-exports People can buy from whoever they want.. but don't underestimate people's willingness to buy local, especially if they think that Farmer Rob from down the road is being directly helped and that it hasn't travelled several thousand miles to reach their plate. Only a certain percentage. Don't underestimate the number of people in the UK who have to watch the pennies. They don't really have the choice of buying from whoever they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 27 minutes ago, Dave Beans said: ...Better? So the EU, for example are going to ban live cattle exports? https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/animal-welfare-group-raises-concern-over-live-exports-1.4147236 Animals aren't at all left on ferries, for hours at a time.. ...or ,for example, Brazil burning huge swathes of rainforest, in order to provide us with Beef. Carbon taxation well be the next game changer in protecting farming from cheap imports. https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/125778344/the-carbon-border-tax-that-could-hit-nz-exports People can buy from whoever they want.. but don't underestimate people's willingness to buy local, especially if they think that Farmer Rob from down the road is being directly helped and that it hasn't travelled several thousand miles to reach their plate. How will farmer Rob pick his produce get it processed and delivered to shops? I always suspected Brexiteers wanted to go back to 50s but now it’s dawning on me that it’s 1750s they are thinking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, yelims said: How will farmer Rob pick his produce get it processed and delivered to shops? I always suspected Brexiteers wanted to go back to 50s but now it’s dawning on me that it’s 1750s they are thinking about Let me guess.. through the use of cheap labour, where his employees are having to rely on tax credits to get by. You do like using hyperbole it seems.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Just now, Dave Beans said: Let me guess.. through the use of cheap labour, where his employees are having to rely on tax credits to get by. You do like using hyperbole it seems.. Well can you point to ANY preparations in last 5 years by Tories to train people or a pound in funds allocated to prepare and help farmers, processors and distributors Can you show the willingness of Brexiteer gammons to toil in the fields or drive trucks? Once again the irony of Brexiteers going on about worker welfare while literally voting for a Brexit whose main talking point was removal of human and workers rights is hilarious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, yelims said: Well can you point to ANY preparations in last 5 years by Tories to train people or a pound in funds allocated to prepare and help farmers, processors and distributors Can you show the willingness of Brexiteer gammons to toil in the fields or drive trucks? Once again the irony of Brexiteers going on about worker welfare while literally voting for a Brexit whose main talking point was removal of human and workers rights is hilarious I'm not a Brexiteer by the way. The remainers in parliament held the power, but still tried to reverse it. They are now whinging about the affects....but we have already done this to death.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Dave Beans said: I'm not a Brexiteer by the way. The remainers in parliament held the power, but still tried to reverse it. They are now whinging about the affects....but we have already done this to death.. Remainers predicted widespread disruption widespread disruption appears whole industries in serious trouble shelves empty Your reply is to stop whinging? I thought Brexiteers were stupid now the mask is falling and you lot are just cruel puppets for oligarchs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, yelims said: Remainers predicted widespread disruption widespread disruption appears whole industries in serious trouble shelves empty Your reply is to stop whinging? I thought Brexiteers were stupid now the mask is falling and you lot are just cruel puppets for oligarchs Who held the power for the indicative votes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slawek Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 37 minutes ago, Dave Beans said: ...Better? So the EU, for example are going to ban live cattle exports? https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/animal-welfare-group-raises-concern-over-live-exports-1.4147236 Animals aren't at all left on ferries, for hours at a time.. ...or ,for example, Brazil burning huge swathes of rainforest, in order to provide us with Beef. Carbon taxation well be the next game changer in protecting farming from cheap imports. https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/125778344/the-carbon-border-tax-that-could-hit-nz-exports People can buy from whoever they want.. but don't underestimate people's willingness to buy local, especially if they think that Farmer Rob from down the road is being directly helped and that it hasn't travelled several thousand miles to reach their plate. Better in the eyes of a consumer. So far people preferred to buy from whoever can cheaper or better product. I doubt that will change significantly in the future. Adding the cost of the environmental impact won't change this behaviour, only the price of the imported goods will increase, which will make us all poorer in the aggregate. The problem is the UK can't unliterally add a charge to imported goods as that would be a breach of the trading agreements creating many tensions between countries. In the long term the transportation will be cheaper and have much less impact on our planet so the British farmers won't enjoy the protection for long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slawek Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, Dave Beans said: I'm not a Brexiteer by the way. The remainers in parliament held the power, but still tried to reverse it. They are now whinging about the affects....but we have already done this to death.. Not true. We have discussed that before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dave Beans said: Who held the power for the indicative votes? Who campaigned got elected and proclaimed Brexit done? You are like one of those abusive husbands who batters his wife and then blames her for screaming through the assault Edited August 30, 2021 by yelims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, slawek said: Not true. We have discussed that before. Just to be clear... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/27/alternative-brexit-options-what-will-john-bercow-select-for-indicative-votes EEA/Efta without customs union – DEFEATED 64 to 377 A motion tabled by the Conservative MP George Eustice – who quit as agriculture minister this month to fight for Brexit – proposes remaining within the EEA and rejoining Efta, but remaining outside a customs union with the EU. The motion was signed by other Conservative MPs including the former minister Nicky Morgan and the head of the Brexit Delivery Group, Simon Hart. ‘Common market 2.0’ – DEFEATED 188 to 283 Tabled by the Conservative MPs Nick Boles, Robert Halfon and Andrew Percy and Labour’s Stephen Kinnock, Lucy Powell and Diana Johnson. The motion proposes UK membership of the European Free Trade Association (Efta) and European Economic Area (EEA). It allows continued participation in the single market and a “comprehensive customs arrangement” with the EU after Brexit, which would remain in place until the agreement of a wider trade deal that guarantees frictionless movement of goods and an open border on the island of Ireland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 hours ago, slawek said: I think it is more like £50 per month (£0.19/h). It is likely to increase prices and cause some businesses to close down. It is difficult to estimate the cost for the customers but it is probably a few times less than due to 10k/pa more paid to lorry drivers. If businesses are working to that tight a margin, paying the absolute basic wages and having to rely on govt handouts for their workers, then how viable are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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