Bear Goggles Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) Luckily, advances in nanotechnology mean that we can now make violins small enough to play for this s**t. As others have said, if you're old enough to have bought before the biggest property bubble in history, sold at the top, and still managed to come out of the end of it with four fifths of f**k all, then you've been doing it wrong. Edited May 11, 2016 by Bear Goggles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canbuywontbuy Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 BUT problems arise because the other party may well not be doing their share of effort/make their contribution to making the marriage 'work'. Marriage has to be worked at constantly. I note the article refers, in additon to husbands being unfaithful, to women 'lacking excittement'. Is that a euphemism for the same same this or do wives up and down the land, at a certain age, suddenly grow an urge to do loads of stuff that their husbands have no inclination to? You can work hard at a marriage to no avail if the other party's idea of excitement is an affair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ah-so Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 I know this is the Mail with its female readership, but why the focus on women? It is not as though the men have kicked them out and are still living in the family home. The men sound like they are in exactly the same boat. Admittedly I did not read the whole article as I was bored to tears after a couple of paragraphs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapori Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I was wondering if some of the separations came about in part due to financial pressure as a lifetime of borrow, borrow, and borrow again came home to roost. Maybe hubbie's "boringness" was brought on by a sudden "feck me, I'm the only one earning here, we have debts and no pensions - so we'd better lay off the city breaks, cava and new PCP car deals" realisation. Very apt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richc Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I know this is the Mail with its female readership, but why the focus on women? It is not as though the men have kicked them out and are still living in the family home. The men sound like they are in exactly the same boat. Admittedly I did not read the whole article as I was bored to tears after a couple of paragraphs. No, the men are not in the same boat. Why exactly is one of the men being forced by the courts to pay his ex-wife's rent when they were only married for 4 years? I can understand spousal support if the woman had given up her career to bring up children and support her husband, but that's clearly not the case here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepLurker Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I was wondering if some of the separations came about in part due to financial pressure as a lifetime of borrow, borrow, and borrow again came home to roost. Maybe hubbie's "boringness" was brought on by a sudden "feck me, I'm the only one earning here, we have debts and no pensions - so we'd better lay off the city breaks, cava and new PCP car deals" realisation. Is that the sound of the hammer hitting the nail? Anecdotally - my OH had been moaning for years that she couldn't stand me working as a contractor - with the uncertain income that it entails. Earlier this year I moved into a 'permie' job. On the night that I signed the contract we had a blazing row - because I had "deliberately misled" her over how much our income would drop. In other words... the penny finally dropped that she was going to have to cut back on her spending Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairyland Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) I know there are all types of men and women in the world but no one should face loosing their home younger or older, boomer/non boomer. Women who have devoted prime years of their life raising children/maintaining house will find it extremely hard to loose their home, look for a job and deal with the break up. It is a very bad situation to be in and I would not wish that on any one. Child care for two/more children would suck up one parent income. A SAHM provides free childcare, nursing, driving, teaching, cooking, cleaning, washing, entertaining to name a few... It is time we a stop to commercialising and institutionalising. Edited May 12, 2016 by Fairyland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldbug9999 Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I know there are all types of men and women in the world but no one should face loosing their home younger or older, boomer/non boomer. I dont see losing a home as any worse than being denied to opportunity to have one in the first place due to runaway HPI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CunningPlan Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I know there are all types of men and women in the world but no one should face loosing their home younger or older, boomer/non boomer. That is what renters face every six months. I think you may well be aptly named. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) I know there are all types of men and women in the world but no one should face loosing their home younger or older, boomer/non boomer. Women who have devoted prime years of their life raising children/maintaining house will find it extremely hard to loose their home, look for a job and deal with the break up. It is a very bad situation to be in and I would not wish that on any one. Child care for two/more children would suck up one parent income. A SAHM provides free childcare, nursing, driving, teaching, cooking, cleaning, washing, entertaining to name a few... It is time we a stop to commercialising and institutionalising. I know there are all types of men and women in the world but no one should face loosing their home younger or older, boomer/non boomer. Women who have devoted prime years of their life raising children/maintaining house will find it extremely hard to loose their home, look for a job and deal with the break up. It is a very bad situation to be in and I would not wish that on any one. Child care for two/more children would suck up one parent income. A SAHM provides free childcare, nursing, driving, teaching, cooking, cleaning, washing, entertaining to name a few... It is time we a stop to commercialising and institutionalising. Tend to agree with the other posters though, too much protectionism by age and indeed class. So a middle class woman that has raised children is probably only second to a retired woman for degree of protectionism given by the State. Only God comes higher up the pecking order. Tbh I really needed help when I was young and got none...somehow the privileges get bestowed when you are old and usually quite well off. Also the degree of entitlement shown by older people knows no bounds...the more the State bestows the more there is to moan about. there is also the small matter that anybody born before 1970 really had every opportunity to save and become well off with a bit of planning. I just feel grateful that I might get a state pension of £144 (current forecast and mounting) after 36 years of working at circa 68 years old. That seems to me to be rather generous ''for a lifetime of work''...it certainly is when you consider that tax receipts only cover working age benefits. But try telling that to an early boomer in receipt of state pension....''not much for a lifetime of work''. Yep the entitlement knows no bounds. Edited May 12, 2016 by crashmonitor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 With an attitude like that communicated by the headline, I'm not surprised someone like that ended up divorced. If she married the man then given effort and commitment they should be able to find happiness TOGETHER in a council house if need be. Physical riches are a distraction to human relationships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinAndPlatonic Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 The joke used to be that instead of getting maried just hand your partner the keys to the house..saves all that stress, of going through a divorce only then hand over your house, and money. Now instead of getting married just give her the mortgage..ha..love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssKay Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Some slightly misogynistic overtones in this thread.. But I will say this - I very little/no sympathy for the women in that article. They should be grateful they still have a roof over their heads - even if it is (shock/horror) a council rental. Besides, anyone who leaves their financial future completely dependent on someone else in this day and age needs a reality check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Some slightly misogynistic overtones in this thread.. Where ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CunningPlan Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Some slightly misogynistic overtones in this thread.. Shouldn't you be doing the housework rather than playing on the internet thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssKay Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Where ? I'm not playing that game mate. Nothing too overt, just a slight sense of misogyny as I said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssKay Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Shouldn't you be doing the housework rather than playing on the internet thing? Lol - I'm out earning a crust so I don't have to rely on the council to house me in my old age dear. I'll make sure I head straight to the kitchen when I get home though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CunningPlan Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Lol - I'm out earning a crust so I don't have to rely on the council to house me in my old age dear. I'll make sure I head straight to the kitchen when I get home though.. Excellent - so will I (partly because that'e where I keep the wine ) PS Is calling me 'dear' a touch patronising ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinAndPlatonic Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 I only knew my last wife had left me, after the house went so peaceful, and crocks started building up in the sink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) I'm not playing that game mate. Nothing too overt, just a slight sense of misogyny as I said I have to admit that I listed the pecking order of public sector protection..... (1) God (2) Old Woman (3) Old Man (4) Late boomer woman (5) Late boomer man (6) Everybody else Also mentioned there is a class distinction, hence this lady gets extra Brownie points. I also said this is all wrong, you really need most help starting out in life because you start with zero assets and homeless. But heck waht do I know, except comparing the crap I had to go through from 16 through to 30 and the relative financial stabilty of being over 50. As for older women, they only control the greatest proportional share of National wealth than any other cohort including older men due to a higher widow status. Edited May 13, 2016 by crashmonitor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssKay Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 I've opened the floodgates haven't I? /getscoat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 I'm not playing that game mate. What game's that? The "answering reasonable questions" game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssKay Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 I also said this is all wrong, you really need most help starting out in life because you start with zero assets and homeless. Yep - I'd agree with that. I have a sister in her early 20s and have seen how things have gradually become stacked against her and her generation: -introduction of tuition fees -massive HPI -poorer graduate prospects -lower wage economy (in real terms) -increasing wealth inequality -rising pension age No wonder a lot of her peer group feel so hard done by (despite having iPhones...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssKay Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 What game's that? Call of Duty: Flame War (Internet edition) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 No wonder a lot of her peer group feel so hard done by (despite having iPhones...) Just... Can't... Help...it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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