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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/9578180/Auto-enrolment-pension-scheme-for-millions-begins.html

Up to 10 million people are expected to be eventually be enrolled in what is hailed as the biggest pensions revolution since David Lloyd George ushered in state pensions a century ago.

A handful of the largest employers, with 120,000 or more workers, must place eligible workers into pension schemes, with firms gradually being enrolled in a staging process over the next six years.

More than half a million people will be newly saving into a workplace pension by Christmas, according to Government estimates.

Is this a good time to buy into the FTSE as all this money is going to have to be stored somewhere....

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10% of fec all is fec all.

.....any small amount must be better than nothing at all...after all anything that is not saved is sure to be spent.........I wonder what the final annual pension income it will purchase, It might be enough to pay the electric bill or pay for a journey somewhere. ;)

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Automatic enrolment is going to be like one of those psycho murderers in a slasher film that you cannot kill off.

You have to opt out before a certain time limit expires or you won't get your contributions back. Even if you opt out your employer will automatically enrol you again every 3 years. If you are opted out but switch jobs you will be automatically enrolled by your new employer.

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.....any small amount must be better than nothing at all...after all anything that is not saved is sure to be spent.........I wonder what the final annual pension income it will purchase, It might be enough to pay the electric bill or pay for a journey somewhere. ;)

Every £1 you don't spend and save will just mean you get less from the state via means testing. They plan to means test the LOT.

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Every £1 you don't spend and save will just mean you get less from the state via means testing. They plan to means test the LOT.

It's OK as most people won't be able to retire until they are too ill to work, at which point the state will then confiscate everything you've earned ensuring your family has an inheritance of £0 in fact the way it's going you'll run up a bill where your kids owe the govt money for the care costs which will be out of control.

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Why save for a pension when you can p155 it up the wall, invest in designer sportswear or the latest electronic gadgetry? Boo hoo, you got a pension and I can't be bothered to save for one one bleat bleat. Just wait until your employer takes 10 years of pension contributions to boost their share price/bonuses for senior excecs and then you get the blame for not saving for your future by the next generation.

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Yes but now it has millions more suckers investors to leech off all chasing ever higher returns.

i think the point is technically it doesnt, that money is already in the economy and either saved or spent and those savings, spendings are thus invested elsewhere along the chain. The main dynamic therefore is not that it goes into equities but more likely that alot more goes into buying Govt Debt as opposed to buying Chinese product

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i think the point is technically it doesnt, that money is already in the economy and either saved or spent and those savings, spendings are thus invested elsewhere along the chain. The main dynamic therefore is not that it goes into equities but more likely that alot more goes into buying Govt Debt as opposed to buying Chinese product

Whilst introducing legislation to increase the percentage of Govt debt the pension funds have to hold until it reaches 100%.

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Just one thing....taking even a small percentage from low paid workers income will do nothing to help the economy. Rent up, gas up, electricity up, petrol up and now this.....and all from low or no pay rises.

Since the majority of the people who have been signed up to this scheme are probably the below median wage earners this policy will lower aggregate demand for any goods and services in the UK. I know they keep saying its only the cost of one pint of beer a week but in total its a lot of money that won't be spent now and saved up for the future (with the bankers and "professionals" taking 1% on the way in + "minimal" management fee).

We are heading for a slow down in our economy as the purchasing on consumer staples and goods falls whilst the prices of basic goods and petrol rise. No more additional debt equals no more money velocity. In that environment investing in broad FTSE probably isn't a good idea although a few companies with robust margins and repeat business could at least hold their own for a few years without growth.

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It's just the new NI.

NI used to entitle you to a pension. If your under 40 it doesn't though, it's just tax.

So we have started a new scheme, on TOP of NI. It will be you pension.

And then in a few years time they'll say it doesn't, they'll say, I don't know, it goes to pay for your retirement healthcare or something. You'll need to save for a pension. Why aren't you saving for a pension they'll ask. So for your beenfit, they will make it compulsory and call it "National Pension".

It's just a big tax increase on the poor.

Remember all that money will be going into the big pension funds that the government is desperately trying to avoid having to bail out. Well news-flash, this is the bailout.

Editing for crap typing

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This will be a great success and in a few years when the fund has built up the companies will be able to take a 'contribution holiday' and use the money for director bonuses. Later the government can change the rules and steal all the money back. It's just another tax which has a defined benefit now but this will change over time; like income tax which was introduced to pay for the Napoleonic wars which IIRC correctly have been over for some time.

Nothing is guaranteed, nothing is risk free, anything and everything can change.......or earn it, spend it, don't borrow or save it. ;)

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Is this a good time to buy into the FTSE as all this money is going to have to be stored somewhere....

My first thoughts, even with the negative factor of employer's contributions weighing on profits. What alternatives do pension managers have....Treasuries in particular are in la la land.

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My first thoughts, even with the negative factor of employer's contributions weighing on profits. What alternatives do pension managers have....Treasuries in particular are in la la land.

Surely you just use the money to buy your own shares?

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.....any small amount must be better than nothing at all...after all anything that is not saved is sure to be spent.........I wonder what the final annual pension income it will purchase, It might be enough to pay the electric bill or pay for a journey somewhere. ;)

So just manage your own savings and investments, or if you are really smart start your own business

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