RichB Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 WTF? Wonder if there will be LA Style Riots after this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reck B Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 WTF? Wonder if there will be LA Style Riots after this? had to google "not guilty" to see what you were on about. PC Simon Harwood found Not guilty of killing Ian Tomlinson during G20 Protests. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jul/19/simon-harwood-not-guilty-ian-tomlinson Yet the jury at his inquest found that he had been killed unlawfully. So according to the inquest jury, he was killed unlawfully. but according to the criminal case he wasn't. Go, British Justice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 WTF? Wonder if there will be LA Style Riots after this? http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jul/19/simon-harwood-not-guilty-ian-tomlinson A policeman has been acquitted of killing Ian Tomlinson during the G20 protests in London by striking the 47-year-old bystander with a baton and pushing him to the ground as he walked away from police lines.The jury at Southwark crown court on Thursday cleared PC Simon Harwood, 45, a member of the Metropolitan police's elite public order unit, the Territorial Support Group, of manslaughter following one of the most high-profile cases of alleged police misconduct in recent years. Harwood told the court that while in retrospect he "got it wrong" in seeing Tomlinson as a potentially threatening obstruction as police cleared a pedestrian passageway in the City on the evening of 1 April 2009, his actions were justifiable within the context of the widespread disorder of that day. The verdict, after four days of deliberations, brings about something of a legal contradiction: 14 months ago another jury, at the inquest into Tomlinson's death, ruled that he was unlawfully killed by Harwood. The inquest ruling was made on the same burden of proof, beyond reasonable doubt, as a criminal trial. Neither jury heard details of Harwood's prior disciplinary record, which can only be reported now. This includes how he quit the Met on health grounds in 2001 shortly before a planned disciplinary hearing into claims he illegally tried to arrest a driver following a road rage incident while off duty, altering his notes to retrospectively justify the actions. Harwood was nonetheless able to join another force, Surrey, before returning to serve with the Met in 2005. He allegedly punched, throttled, kneed or threatened other suspects while in uniform in other alleged incidents. The verdict will come as a huge disappointment to Tomlinson's family, following a saga that began when the father of four, who was stepfather to his wife's five other children, collapsed as he tried to make his way home through police lines following a day of protests connected to the meeting in London of leaders from the G20 group of nations. He died shortly afterwards. Tomlinson had been an alcoholic for some years and was living in a homeless hostel, and it was initially presumed he died from natural causes, a conclusion supported by an initial postmortem examination, which gave the cause as heart failure. But six days later the Guardian published video footage shot by an American, in London on business, which showed a policeman in riot gear striking Tomlinson on the leg with a baton before shoving him violently to the pavement, minutes before his final collapse. That mans poor family. ******* killed him and they can't even get public acknowledgement of the obvious truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papag Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Fully expected verdict in our once great country, he cant speak as hes off to the Olympics on treble time and extras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Talk about a cesspit. The issue of cause of death saw the testimony of the first pathologist, Dr Freddy Patel, who reasserted his belief that Tomlinson died from heart failure, placed against that of Dr Nat Cary, who told the court that even a relatively small amount of internal bleeding would have caused death. The jury was not told that Patel has twice been suspended by medical authorities for mistakes in other postmortem examinations and is no longer on the Home Office's register of approved pathologists. Incredible that the opinion of a person now deemed unfit to carry out this sort of work can be presented without reference to that fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snafu Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 The car that drove into a crown in Birmingham in the riots were cleared of murder too. Can this kick off some more riots I wonder? Just came up in a google search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkman Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Ian Tomlinson death: PC not guiltyA police officer who hit Ian Tomlinson with a baton and pushed him to the ground at the G20 protests has been found not guilty of manslaughter. PC Simon Harwood, 45, of south London, denied the manslaughter, in April 2009, of Mr Tomlinson, 47, on the grounds that he used reasonable force. Mr Tomlinson, was pushed as he walked away from a police line in the City of London. He later collapsed and died. The jury at Southwark Crown Court had considered their verdict for four days. During the trial, the police officer accepted it was "wrong" to hit and pushed Mr Tomlinson. He said that, had he realised at the time that Mr Tomlinson was walking away from police lines, he "would not have gone near him". Father-of-nine Mr Tomlinson, who was a heavy drinker who had slept rough for a number of years, walked 75 yards before he collapsed. So, not even a suspended sentence for this thug in a uniform? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18900484 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
man o' the year Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 . We can now reveal that Pc Harwood, found not guilty of manslaughter, has faced 10 allegations of wrongdoing during his career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_JohnBrown_* Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Parallels with Norfolk farmer Tony Martin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_%28farmer%29 He was jailed because he shot the thief from behind, had he shot the thief in the front he would have got off. In this police officers case Ian Tomlinson was walking away from the police line so technically attacked from behind but it seems a police uniform is a get our of jail card! Will this go to appeal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkman Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 WTF? Wonder if there will be LA Style Riots after this? Well no, this is England, land of the meek. And Tomlinson was white of course. We can now reveal that Pc Harwood, found not guilty of manslaughter, has faced 10 allegations of wrongdoing during his career WTH :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmarks Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 RIP Ian Tomlinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmarks Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Will the Banksters and their henchman ever go to prison for the crimes they commit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 It sounds as dubious as hell of course but shouldn't you be a bit worried about yourself if you'll only accept one result from a trial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salamander Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Disgraceful. What grounds are there for using any force, let alone the 'reasonable force' used to justify this police killing when they guy you feel compelled to use force against is walking away from you ? Inquest verdict: Unlawful killing. Initial post-mortem: Written up by someone so discredited they are no longer allowed to carry these out. Conduct history: 10 allegations of misconduct during his career. Forced to leave Met on the back of one of these but allowed to rejoin later. Am I missing something here or is this a huge miscarriage of justice ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 It sounds as dubious as hell of course but shouldn't you be a bit worried about yourself if you'll only accept one result from a trial? Given I've seen what actually happened, no, not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orsino Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 This is just so appalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
57percent Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Disgraceful. What grounds are there for using any force, let alone the 'reasonable force' used to justify this police killing when they guy you feel compelled to use force against is walking away from you ? Inquest verdict: Unlawful killing. Initial post-mortem: Written up by someone so discredited they are no longer allowed to carry these out. Conduct history: 10 allegations of misconduct during his career. Forced to leave Met on the back of one of these but allowed to rejoin later. Am I missing something here or is this a huge miscarriage of justice ? Doesn't look good. Does he get to continue in his job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salamander Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Doesn't look good. Does he get to continue in his job? No problem. He'll just retire before any disciplinary procedures, join another force as a civilian and rejoin fully later on. Worked for him before, why not now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Taken from the BBC article: "Father-of-nine Mr Tomlinson, who was a heavy drinker who had slept rough for a number of years, walked 75 yards before he collapsed." Although we can all agree what the PC did was wrong, did his life style contribute to the fact that his body wasn't healthy enough to sustain such a fall? Edit: Correction. Did the the bloke who killed him ask about hsi general medical condition before he attacked from behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orsino Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Taken from the BBC article: "Father-of-nine Mr Tomlinson, who was a heavy drinker who had slept rough for a number of years, walked 75 yards before he collapsed." Although we can all agree what the PC did was wrong, did his life style contribute to the fact that his body wasn't healthy enough to sustain such a fall? Edit: Correction. So Ian Tomlinson contributed to his own death by not being able to withstand a violent, unprovoked and totally unjustified assault from a policeman? Apologies if I've misunderstood you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Jean Charles de Menezes was also not unlawfully killed: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7760684.stm The lesson seems to be that it's okay to kill an innocent person, as long as you are wearing a police uniform while doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_JohnBrown_* Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Taken from the BBC article: "Father-of-nine Mr Tomlinson, who was a heavy drinker who had slept rough for a number of years, walked 75 yards before he collapsed." Although we can all agree what the PC did was wrong, did his life style contribute to the fact that his body wasn't healthy enough to sustain such a fall? Edit: Correction. Its clear from the youtube clip, he's watching the group action from where the bikes are parked up, he sees the police coming so slowly starts walking away from them possibly having been instructed to move along but thats not good enough so he is then attacked by Simon Harwood. Not the first time police brutality has reared its ugly head http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2141927/Police-taser-terrified-Alzheimers-sufferer-Retired-farm-worker-58-shot-times-living-room.html Outrage as police repeatedly TASER terrified Alzheimer's sufferer in front of his wife because he didn't want to go into care - then tie him up in his living room Police shot Peter Russell with several Taser stun rounds, before manhandling him to the living room floor His arms and legs were tied together and he was carried outside ‘like a bag of potatoes’ in full view of horrified neighbours Two months later Mr Russell is still receiving psychiatric treatment in hospital and his wife Diane, 50, remains traumatised Alzheimer’s Society says the incident illustrates a lack of understanding in society of dementia And as this Guardian article suggests, if the police are going to be trained to handle mentally ill patients then why not training to handle other people who might be ill whether diagnosed or not? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/14/police-training-section-mental-health This judgement was a bad call but as always the Establishment cant be seen making a mistake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little fish Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 There is a demonstration outside Scotland Yard tonight at 6. Donations are being requested for a civil case. I'm really surprised that the court case was not held until after the Olympics just in case this insights wide spread disturbances. If anybody is interested in helping here's the link. http://www.iantomlinsonfamilycampaign.org.uk/2012/07/tomlinson-family-statement-following.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GloomMonger Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Oh come on, how could he be found guilty? We can't have the police afraid to use force against the public. This sends out a clear message to our law enforcers that they will look after their own and they will be protected from any prosecution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Although we can all agree what the PC did was wrong, did his life style contribute to the fact that his body wasn't healthy enough to sustain such a fall? Nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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