RIOTS THREAD MERGED

[_w_]

Am I wrong or things are calm in London tonight? Kids threw the toy out of the pram and have calmed down now?

[Pole]

This all started in Britain in around 1997, 14 years ago, which would make kids growing up through this teenagers today.

Strong men (policemen) can't handle a bunch of children (14 year olds)... Absolutely unbelieveable and unheard of...

Go and read any foreign discussion forum - the world is watching and laughing...

Shame, really.

[Mrs Bear]

Copy cat opportunists.

Even Diane Abbott said it was 'recreational' looting.

[Imp]

Even Diane Abbott said it was 'recreational' looting.

Everyone needs a hobby

[Snafu]

I'm from Sweden. Cops carry guns. If you attack a cop

You get shot. Therefore you don't mess with cops. In the uk no one respects cops.

Quite a good deterrent IMHO, but then again you seem to get the trigger happy to join the gun squads in this country.

[wtw2]

‎'Well-heeled politicians have reacted as they always do when riots break out in deprived and alienated areas with words of condemnation and incomprehension.

In their simplistic black-and-white view of life, destruction and looting take plac...e... because of individual wickedness, not for more deep-seated reasons.

London Mayor Boris Johnson pronounced himself "appalled at the scenes of violence and destruction."

As a Bullingdon Club member at university with David Cameron and George Osborne, he regularly indulged in mindless violence and destruction, but this was put down to student high jinks because his group paid compensation for damage caused.

They never robbed mobile phones, electrical equipment or designer gear from vandalised shops because such goods were readily available to them.

The young people who capitalised on the situation following the Tottenham march to protest over the fatal shooting of Mark Duggan by attacking and looting the Tottenham Hale retail park were not of their background.

Neither were they necessarily representative of the local community, most of whom hold down jobs and struggle for daily survival for themselves and their families.

But there is a significant minority, especially among the youth, which is denied the option of earning an honest living.

The understated official unemployment rate in the area is 8.8 per cent with 54 jobseekers chasing every vacancy, which means the prospect of a proper job is illusory for many local young people.

However, the issue - as with the riots in many cities throughout Britain in the 1980s - is not simply economic. There are complicating issues, not least racism.

The full facts surrounding the police operation to apprehend Duggan and the circumstances in which he was killed are still not known, although it is difficult to believe that police should find it impossible to secure a minicab and its occupants without the situation deteriorating into lethal gunfire.

Rumours and leaks are finding the light of day in the media and on the internet, but the truth remains elusive.

Despite several inquiries, recommendations and new initiatives, there are still widespread allegations of racism and police pressure that fuel feelings of alienation and frustration in many deprived areas.

It is not just the widening gulf between rich and poor in Britain but also the attitudes of entitlement and selfishness of the gilded elite who feel no empathy for those denied the chance of success.

Margaret Thatcher encapsulated this disavowal of social solidarity in 1987, declaring that "there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families."

She gave voice to an already growing trend that advocated everyone for themselves, putting number one first with no thought for others.

Looting, destruction and arson are another manifestation of this anti-social attitude, where anger at a perceived injustice merges with prior resentments to produce an uncontrolled explosion that lays waste to an already deprived environment.

The right-wing law-and-order posse will demand, and probably get, exemplary jail sentences for those said to be involved, but those chiefly responsible for social divisions and inequality will once again get off scot-free.

Unemployment-ravaged Tottenham, like many urban areas, will bear the brunt of the government's cuts in jobs and services, including in police numbers, making a bad situation worse.

Such a short-sighted response has to give way to a more reasoned approach designed to heal divisions rather than exacerbate them.'

[SHERWICK]

‎'Well-heeled politicians have reacted as they always do when riots break out in deprived and alienated areas with words of condemnation and incomprehension.

In their simplistic black-and-white view of life, destruction and looting take plac...e... because of individual wickedness, not for more deep-seated reasons.

London Mayor Boris Johnson pronounced himself "appalled at the scenes of violence and destruction."

As a Bullingdon Club member at university with David Cameron and George Osborne, he regularly indulged in mindless violence and destruction, but this was put down to student high jinks because his group paid compensation for damage caused.

They never robbed mobile phones, electrical equipment or designer gear from vandalised shops because such goods were readily available to them.

The young people who capitalised on the situation following the Tottenham march to protest over the fatal shooting of Mark Duggan by attacking and looting the Tottenham Hale retail park were not of their background.

Neither were they necessarily representative of the local community, most of whom hold down jobs and struggle for daily survival for themselves and their families.

But there is a significant minority, especially among the youth, which is denied the option of earning an honest living.

The understated official unemployment rate in the area is 8.8 per cent with 54 jobseekers chasing every vacancy, which means the prospect of a proper job is illusory for many local young people.

However, the issue - as with the riots in many cities throughout Britain in the 1980s - is not simply economic. There are complicating issues, not least racism.

The full facts surrounding the police operation to apprehend Duggan and the circumstances in which he was killed are still not known, although it is difficult to believe that police should find it impossible to secure a minicab and its occupants without the situation deteriorating into lethal gunfire.

Rumours and leaks are finding the light of day in the media and on the internet, but the truth remains elusive.

Despite several inquiries, recommendations and new initiatives, there are still widespread allegations of racism and police pressure that fuel feelings of alienation and frustration in many deprived areas.

It is not just the widening gulf between rich and poor in Britain but also the attitudes of entitlement and selfishness of the gilded elite who feel no empathy for those denied the chance of success.

Margaret Thatcher encapsulated this disavowal of social solidarity in 1987, declaring that "there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families."

She gave voice to an already growing trend that advocated everyone for themselves, putting number one first with no thought for others.

Looting, destruction and arson are another manifestation of this anti-social attitude, where anger at a perceived injustice merges with prior resentments to produce an uncontrolled explosion that lays waste to an already deprived environment.

The right-wing law-and-order posse will demand, and probably get, exemplary jail sentences for those said to be involved, but those chiefly responsible for social divisions and inequality will once again get off scot-free.

Unemployment-ravaged Tottenham, like many urban areas, will bear the brunt of the government's cuts in jobs and services, including in police numbers, making a bad situation worse.

Such a short-sighted response has to give way to a more reasoned approach designed to heal divisions rather than exacerbate them.'

What rubbish.

I already gave the reason further up the thread.

[The Ayatollah Buggeri]

Am I wrong or things are calm in London tonight? Kids threw the toy out of the pram and have calmed down now?

If the Telegraph's coverage is to be believed, the yobs spent the day reading about how all the policemen from Birmingham, Manchester and Wolverhampton have converged on London, and in response have relocated to Birmingham, Manchester and Wolverhampton.

[wtw2]

What rubbish.

I already gave the reason further up the thread.

You cant handle the truth!

[SaintJay]

On top of which they pay consultants millions of £ to tell them how to manage.

How did council management manage before consultants were invented?

they employed capable people?

[SHERWICK]

You cant handle the truth!

Read my earlier post made Today at 08:46 PM.

That's the truth.

[wonderpup]

HAS THE WORD "BLACK" BEEN BANNED?

Yes. But if you want to stereotype a large group of people in a derogatory way the word CHAV is fine and and can safely applied to anyone who is white and working class.

Combinations such as 'CHAV SCUM' or "CHAV ANIMALS' are also ok. In fact so long as they are white and poor there is no limit to the degree of contempt you can pile on- no amount of bile poured onto these people will raise so much as an eyebrow at even the most liberal minded event.

Just don't say 'black'.

[Topher Bear]

Was thinking this yesterday. Are these "riots" linked in with the recent multi-milllion pound drugs haul? As I understood it, this was a HUGE amount of stuff, something like a third of the uk's annual supply. Could it be that the drugs barons have instigated this as a back-lash and a message to the police?

[_w_]

Apparently so, along withwords like fat, thin, chinese, asian, disabled and ginger. I've been corrected at work and told it's "red".

"Political correctness is first and foremost an attack on free speech, clear thinking and discussion. Political correctness is perpetrated by the left in politics as a cover for their flawed ideology - a sort of cultural Marxism. By cloaking their strange ideas under the cover of not wishing to offend anyone (which naturally appeals to peoples' better nature), they try to bypass debate and give a 'received wisdom' which must not be questioned. And anyone who disagrees with this 'received wisdom' must therefore be a really nasty person and deserves to be ostracised by their peers."

You know there's something about skin colour that I think is different. I can't stand PC but this business of racial stereotyping is vile and primitive. Short of engaging in racial genocide we just have to learn to live with people of different races. Skin colour IMO is taboo because one is born with it.

To imply that a person's behaviour is determined by skin colour is not just retarded, it's barbaric and simply stupid. If you criticise someone for being black what is he going to do about it? The sort for sick crap spewed out by Bingo only aims to upset those credulous enough to believe the racially divisive sh*t he posts, but also begs for some payback from the subject of these attacks. Frankly, if I knew where Bingo lived I might just call a couple of 'black' friends to make him eat printouts of the crap he's posted in this thread. I would be quite pleased by that, something to do with Karma and all that.

Anything else is fair play IMO, religion, culture, even nationality but skin colour is the one thing people are born with and can do nothing about.

[SNACR]

If we had a pound for every time the 'there's no such thing as society' quote was taken out of context and deliberately misinterpreted we could have the best funded public services in the world.

Agree with the double standards vs Bullingdon high jinks. This hypocrisy belongs to a cross political party elite.

When someone from the lower orders sets up an 'RIP Moaty You Legenf' Facebook group they're the scum of the earth.

When Lord Longford supports Myra Hindley he's a delightful old well meant humnaitarian.

[SHERWICK]

You know there's something about skin colour that I think is different. I can't stand PC but this business of racial stereotyping is vile and primitive. Short of engaging in racial genocide we just have to learn to live with people of different races. Skin colour IMO is taboo because one is born with it.

To imply that a person's behaviour is determined by skin colour is not just retarded, it's barbaric and simply stupid. If you criticise someone for being black what is he going to do about it? The sort for sick crap spewed out by Bingo only aims to upset those credulous enough to believe the racially divisive sh*t he posts, but also begs for some payback from the subject of these attacks. Frankly, if I knew where Bingo lived I might just call a couple of 'black' friends to make him eat printouts of the crap he's posted in this thread. I would be quite pleased by that, something to do with Karma and all that.

Anything else is fair play IMO, religion, culture, even nationality but skin colour is the one thing people are born with and can do nothing about.

+1.

[SNACR]

Yes. But if you want to stereotype a large group of people in a derogatory way the word CHAV is fine and and can safely applied to anyone who is white and working class.

Combinations such as 'CHAV SCUM' or "CHAV ANIMALS' are also ok. In fact so long as they are white and poor there is no limit to the degree of contempt you can pile on- no amount of bile poured onto these people will raise so much as an eyebrow at even the most liberal minded event.

Just don't say 'black'.

I expect you regularly have these fine citizens round for tea.

[miko]

Not so sure about that; this has been 40 years in the making wheras the HPI bubble is 10 years old max.

No HPI is much older than that , it started in the 70's moved up a few gears in the 80's and went to bubble status at the end of the 80's start of the 90's . The bubble bursting caused havock for many average people stuck with high interest rates and falling house prices.

For a few years in the mid 90's buying a house was obtainable for the average worker and then the HPI kicked off again The problems that HPI and its bubbles which then burst have been the bane of the average worker for much longer than 10 years.

[SNACR]

This seems suspiciously literate - at the very least they've been on some sort of Desktop Publishing Train To Gain thing:

[LiveinHope]

+1.

Skin colour is a genetic trait.

[erranta]

I'm suprised this review got past the moderation:

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"Cuts looters off at the knees"

This bat is perfectly weighted and will suit any UK shop-owner looking to protect their property.

Thanks to the ergonomic handle, one easy swing should be enough to shatter patellas, skulls or any other bone on your targeted looter. Personally, I would recommend also investing in some fingerless gloves for extra grip.

Nah - it's the Masonics whipping up the population

Did you know they (Templars?) even left their trade 'mark' signature at the Great Fire of London 1666

PuDDing Lane DD=44 (the 11 multiple yet again)

pudding c.1300, "a kind of sausage: the stomach or one of the entrails of a pig, sheep, etc., stuffed with minced meat, suet, seasoning, boiled and kept till needed,"Punch and Judy Puppetry always has the DOG/ CAYMAN Crocodile stealing the "Sausages" (ESTER)

Punch and Judy Pub is in Covent Garden (with shakespearean Balcony) where the Grand Masonic Lodge of Ingland is - init ( The COVENANT)

Proof

There are loads of eyewitness reports that fires broke out all over the place simultaneously - even where the sparks were not flying onto houses or Churches!

Myself and various friends have received all sorts of misinformation today regarding the apparent rioting in Oxford, including riots in Cowley, riots on the Cowley Road, riots in Headington. This isn't quite the story so far as I can see.

<br class="contentbreak"> The breakout of violence in Oxford, as reported by the BBC seems to equate to two acts? the McDonalds in Headington being set alight by a person who was later arrested, and a car that was on fire in Barton.

I was on both the Cowley Rd and Headington High Street today and there was no signs of any rioting, or that there had been any, the Headington McDonalds being up by the roundabout at Barton, not really being in Headingon notwithstanding.

On the Cowley Rd I spotted two police officers 'defending' the new Sainsbury's: these officers later seemed to be migrating to protect the Tescos, obviously being egalitarian about their police protection.

Other than that there seems to be nothing doing, so I those rumors of riots are solely that.

Barton is an UBER Masonic word/Symbolism that constantly crops up when researching their evil acts!

Edited August 9, 2011 by erranta

[bricor mortis]

‎'Well-heeled politicians have reacted as they always do when riots break out in deprived and alienated areas with words of condemnation and incomprehension.

In their simplistic black-and-white view of life, destruction and looting take plac...e... because of individual wickedness, not for more deep-seated reasons.

London Mayor Boris Johnson pronounced himself "appalled at the scenes of violence and destruction."

As a Bullingdon Club member at university with David Cameron and George Osborne, he regularly indulged in mindless violence and destruction, but this was put down to student high jinks because his group paid compensation for damage caused.

They never robbed mobile phones, electrical equipment or designer gear from vandalised shops because such goods were readily available to them.

The young people who capitalised on the situation following the Tottenham march to protest over the fatal shooting of Mark Duggan by attacking and looting the Tottenham Hale retail park were not of their background.

Neither were they necessarily representative of the local community, most of whom hold down jobs and struggle for daily survival for themselves and their families.

But there is a significant minority, especially among the youth, which is denied the option of earning an honest living.

The understated official unemployment rate in the area is 8.8 per cent with 54 jobseekers chasing every vacancy, which means the prospect of a proper job is illusory for many local young people.

However, the issue - as with the riots in many cities throughout Britain in the 1980s - is not simply economic. There are complicating issues, not least racism.

The full facts surrounding the police operation to apprehend Duggan and the circumstances in which he was killed are still not known, although it is difficult to believe that police should find it impossible to secure a minicab and its occupants without the situation deteriorating into lethal gunfire.

Rumours and leaks are finding the light of day in the media and on the internet, but the truth remains elusive.

Despite several inquiries, recommendations and new initiatives, there are still widespread allegations of racism and police pressure that fuel feelings of alienation and frustration in many deprived areas.

It is not just the widening gulf between rich and poor in Britain but also the attitudes of entitlement and selfishness of the gilded elite who feel no empathy for those denied the chance of success.

Margaret Thatcher encapsulated this disavowal of social solidarity in 1987, declaring that "there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families."

She gave voice to an already growing trend that advocated everyone for themselves, putting number one first with no thought for others.

Looting, destruction and arson are another manifestation of this anti-social attitude, where anger at a perceived injustice merges with prior resentments to produce an uncontrolled explosion that lays waste to an already deprived environment.

The right-wing law-and-order posse will demand, and probably get, exemplary jail sentences for those said to be involved, but those chiefly responsible for social divisions and inequality will once again get off scot-free.

Unemployment-ravaged Tottenham, like many urban areas, will bear the brunt of the government's cuts in jobs and services, including in police numbers, making a bad situation worse.

Such a short-sighted response has to give way to a more reasoned approach designed to heal divisions rather than exacerbate them.'

Yeah good post amongst the weeds and dog turds.

[SNACR]

This seems suspiciously literate - at the very least they've been on some sort of Desktop Publishing Train To Gain thing:

Actually this just looks like something someone's found online from one of the better educated/organised groups like UK Uncut and appropriated it.

[bogbrush]

This seems suspiciously literate - at the very least they've been on some sort of Desktop Publishing Train To Gain thing:

I find that poster racially divisive.

[thecrashingisles]

Was thinking this yesterday. Are these "riots" linked in with the recent multi-milllion pound drugs haul? As I understood it, this was a HUGE amount of stuff, something like a third of the uk's annual supply. Could it be that the drugs barons have instigated this as a back-lash and a message to the police?

Good theory but it's actually all related to the Olympics. Our army of young medal prospects need new trainers to be able to prepare properly.