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...going to get some sleep now...

you are correct the cases should read : Italy Coronavirus Cases to date - 21,157 UK Coronavirus Cases to date - 1,372 and that still is out of synch with our 80% which you quote... ...deaths to date are: Italy : 1441 UK: 35

you are correct the cases should read : Italy Coronavirus Cases to date - 21,157 UK Coronavirus Cases to date - 1,372 and that still is out of synch with our 80% which you quote...

"they should buy time with more aggressive social distancing to properly prepare for the controlled outbreak." ...and I refer you to the current UK / Italy figures to help you. You skim your theory without any data to back it up as usual. You are a propagandist with sound bites. Current data: Italy: Population - 60m Coronavirus Deaths to date - 21,157 Deaths - 1,441 UK: Population - 66m Coronavirus Deaths to date - 1,372 Deaths - 35 Italy had their first confirmed death 24 hours before the UK and of course along with current planning the Government are due to introduce more social distancing in the near future .

...that is a disaster recovery worst case scenario plan not actual figures ....kindly comment on the current UK and Italy figures as our histories of the virus are only one day apart and you quoted 20K in Italy v 80% of our 66 million ...do your maths..is that logical : Current data: Italy: Population - 60m Coronavirus Deaths to date - 21,157 Deaths - 1,441 UK: Population - 66m Coronavirus Deaths to date - 1,372 Deaths - 35 Italy had their first confirmed death 24 hours before the UK

Your words of wisdom quoted which need data to back them up. "They are just idiots. Even if they aim for the herd immunity they should buy time with more aggressive social distancing to properly prepare for the controlled outbreak. At the moment they don't have enough ICU beds or even normal hospital beds and it looks like the peak is weeks away if they don't get serious. It is going to be a carnage. "

...where is your data to back such a theory ...?

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80% will not be affected at the same time and many of the 80% will not require hospital treatment ..and 80% is worst case scenario in the contingency planning ...you are a propagandist and without a counter solution to offer you and people like you are part of the problem facing the country.

The image shows this current data: Italy: Population - 60m Coronavirus Deaths to date - 21,157 Deaths - 1,441 UK: Population - 66m Coronavirus Deaths to date - 1,372 Deaths - 35 Italy had their first confirmed death 24 hours before the UK The people you mention are not "most".....you are just another progagandist challenging without facts. Your views on the UK / Italy data would be useful. I can't begin to explain it.

....you are just uttering banal mutters ...which country has enough beds to go around for their spikes...? ...who are "they" ..you didn't quote the post to which you were replying ....very strange behaviour ....

...who are most experts...?..you are very good at making vague statements with absolutley no foundation : On 'Guido' some people were commenting on today's data between Italy and the UK..I don't have an explanation either ...maybe you do?...

....there are no arguments...just honest debates, which should be backed up with facts and owned opinion......you should own the fact that anything on Wiki that does not add up should be challenged but you use it in data to comapre with other countries ...that is fake news....nobody claimed they were competent but in my opinion I stated they were ...that is permitted and you can agree or disagree....good luck... I'm off to eat.

....deaths are actual data and assuming the lead-in is one month from infection and the infection data is unreliable and underestimated as groups of people, who have it, have not been tested, I don't understand from where your 30% daily increases in deaths comes. You are still to comment on the Wiki data which does not include deaths in China before 10th January 2020. Maybe you can offer a better explanation than the one I hinted at and explain why you are using this data to compare with other countries. Actions and measures are subject to change depending on timeline and events but the broad strategy stays the same. The strategy is the same and therefore cannot be lies and as far as competence is concerned the following was announced by the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care: From the horses mouth: "We have acted to contain the spread of the virus so far. We have carried out some of the highest number of tests in Europe, our surveillance testing is among the most sophisticated in the world and the UK’s plans for the rapid response to and mitigation of the spread of an epidemic are ranked number one above any other country by the Global Health Security Index. Most importantly of all, thanks to our record levels of tracing the number of people who came into contact with the first people who caught the virus, the initial growth was slowed significantly, and the growth of the virus in the UK has been slower than many major European countries. This action has already prevented the NHS being put under greater pressure in its hardest season of the year. We have bought valuable time to prepare. Last week we stepped into the next phase of our response. We took action to advise anyone with symptoms, however mild, to stay at home. This advice from the Chief Medical Officer will be reinforced with a national communications campaign so everyone knows what they can do: how you can play your part. The new campaign will set out the latest clinical advice, for people to stay at home for seven days if they develop a high temperature or new continuous cough." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/14/must-do-everything-power-protect-lives/amp/ IMHO we are not looking at any loss of competence but an increase. As quoted earlier: "If it's not classified as editorial or opinion, then look for bias/judgemental language." Penny Reid, Author

...as I said you are also entitled to your opinion ...but when you quote data as fact you should link it to a source which helps everyone to understand your stance ....e.g. your first sentence. I assume "they" in your terminology is the Government and their current stance IMHO of "Our goal is to protect life from this virus, our strategy is to protect the most vulnerable and protect the NHS through contain, delay, research and mitigate." has been their broad aim from early on.