Frank Hovis Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Quite appropriately, one of the judges to oversee the inquiry into Savile, Dame Janet Smith, previously led the Harold Shipman inquiry. Fred West's house at 25 Cromwell Street was demolished, perhaps something similar could be arranged for Savile's flat, such as clearing it out, sterilising it and bricking it up permanently. I used to walk past the site not long after demolition, it was a very ordinary terrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 http://www.mirror.co...nthouse-1378573 The smelly 70s carpets are threadbare, the vinyl wallpaper peeling and the window frames rotting – this is Jimmy Savile’s paedo penthouse which is now up for sale. homeowner getting on with life no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmarks Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 I used to walk past the site not long after demolition, it was a very ordinary terrace. That's the problem with psychopaths, they blend in so easily. What amde Jimmy Savile's case so extraordnary was that he didn't belnd in, he was a very odd character yet so few put two and two together. On Discovery Science channel last night they were showing a programme called 'How Evil Are You?'. I only caught the last half hour but my God, what a programme that was. They reran the infamous Milgram Experiment. In the Milgram Experiment, an authority figure instructs a member of the public to inflict electric shocks on a 'victim' whenever the victim answers a test question wrongly. The authority and the victim are played by actors. The experiment showed that 77% people, when instructed by an authority figure, will inflict harm on another human even through their conscience tells them not too. After running that experiment, they also ran a novel variation of it: In the Migram Experiment a member of the public adminstres the electric shocks, in the variation, a third actor would do it for while but at a predeterimed time he would take a stand against the authority and refuse to administer the shocks any further. The idea of this test was to see the reaction of the member of the public. Lo and behold, whenever the actor took his stand against the authority figure the member of the public would do so too. The conclusions were: An otherwise good person can be made to inflict harm on others. It only takes one morally courageous person to take a stand against authority and others (who would otherwise remain silent) will take a stand too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ayatollah Buggeri Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Fred West's house at 25 Cromwell Street was demolished, perhaps something similar could be arranged for Savile's flat, such as clearing it out, sterilising it and bricking it up permanently. As a 17 year-old in 1990, I attended a wedding at a church in Cromwell Street, thankfully oblivious to what was going on not very far from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmarks Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 The Milgram Experiment on Discovery Science: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovq5-OUEggk The conclusions were: An otherwise good person can be made to inflict harm on others. It only takes one morally courageous person to take a stand against authority and others (who would otherwise remain silent) will take a stand too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Quite appropriately, one of the judges to oversee the inquiry into Savile, Dame Janet Smith, previously led the Harold Shipman inquiry. Fred West's house at 25 Cromwell Street was demolished, perhaps something similar could be arranged for Savile's flat, such as clearing it out, sterilising it and bricking it up permanently. 'Homes Under the Hammer - The Special Edition'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campervanman Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 That's the problem with psychopaths, they blend in so easily. What amde Jimmy Savile's case so extraordnary was that he didn't belnd in, he was a very odd character yet so few put two and two together. On Discovery Science channel last night they were showing a programme called 'How Evil Are You?'. I only caught the last half hour but my God, what a programme that was. They reran the infamous Milgram Experiment. In the Milgram Experiment, an authority figure instructs a member of the public to inflict electric shocks on a 'victim' whenever the victim answers a test question wrongly. The authority and the victim are played by actors. The experiment showed that 77% people, when instructed by an authority figure, will inflict harm on another human even through their conscience tells them not too. After running that experiment, they also ran a novel variation of it: In the Migram Experiment a member of the public adminstres the electric shocks, in the variation, a third actor would do it for while but at a predeterimed time he would take a stand against the authority and refuse to administer the shocks any further. The idea of this test was to see the reaction of the member of the public. Lo and behold, whenever the actor took his stand against the authority figure the member of the public would do so too. The conclusions were: An otherwise good person can be made to inflict harm on others. It only takes one morally courageous person to take a stand against authority and others (who would otherwise remain silent) will take a stand too. In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbn Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing. They should do another one - where the second teacher(actor) is happy to carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmarks Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 They should do another one - where the second teacher(actor) is happy to carry on. That would be interesting. I suspect the member of the public wouldn't speak up, despite feeling deeply uncomfortable - the same way people turn a blind eye to the suffering of the homeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 That's the problem with psychopaths, they blend in so easily. What amde Jimmy Savile's case so extraordnary was that he didn't belnd in, he was a very odd character yet so few put two and two together. snip what 2 and 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer466 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 As a 17 year-old in 1990, I attended a wedding at a church in Cromwell Street, thankfully oblivious to what was going on not very far from it. At the risk of going slightly off topic, I almost copped off with this lady once around 1989/90 whilst on an army course in Grantham. It was disco night at the Nurses club and I only escaped as I was at the bar getting the drinks. My mate was not so lucky though....... http://en.wikipedia....Beverley_Allitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmarks Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 what 2 and 2? His very odd mannerisms and his permanent presence near children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 His very odd mannerisms and his permanent presence near children. and? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer466 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Isn't this the same pad he pegged it in? Not that I believe any of this stuff but with three bedrooms are they aiming at selling it to a family? Beware of things which go bump in the night and cold hands creeping under kiddies bed covers!! On a more serious note this has to be a pretty bad selling point, unless they can find someone naive enough not to research its history!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmarks Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 At the risk of going slightly off topic, I almost copped off with this lady once around 1989/90 whilst on an army course in Grantham. It was disco night at the Nurses club and I only escaped as I was at the bar getting the drinks. My mate was not so lucky though....... http://en.wikipedia....Beverley_Allitt 'Kinell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Gordon Pugh Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 The Milgram Experiment on Discovery Science: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovq5-OUEggk The conclusions were: An otherwise good person can be made to inflict harm on others. It only takes one morally courageous person to take a stand against authority and others (who would otherwise remain silent) will take a stand too. Also read up on the stamford prison experiment. Available in the book 'the lucifer effect'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 and? And the fact that he was a weird, sinister creep? My sister and I were kids during his TV heyday. We couldn't stand the barsteward. Bloo Loo, you surely weren't surprised when these paedo allegations came out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 And the fact that he was a weird, sinister creep? My sister and I were kids during his TV heyday. We couldn't stand the barsteward. Bloo Loo, you surely weren't surprised when these paedo allegations came out? never met the man. The thought of that cigar put me right off him....and no matter who he was, he, nor anyone else, was going to put his hand on my bits and pieces. and you hit the nail on the head.....ALLEGATIONS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 As per title. Perv's Den. Eeeew, is that an alcove I see behind the curtains in picture 17? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenzdawg Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Prospective buyers need to be careful. If gravestones are anything to go by you can catch infectious (or is it supernatural) paedophilia from one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 It's got a lot of 70s /80s stuff going on that looks like it pre-dates the actual building. Avacado and ivory bathrooms, blue swirly carpets, tongue and groove pine panelling, swirly artexing, teak wall dispaly unit etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Allegro Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Check out pic 3 of 23. There's a big nicotine stain on the ceiling and a dirty patch on the floor. I reckon that's where Sir Jim had his big leather armchair for sitting in, smoking his cigars and...erm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 I like it more than all those newbuild ones that infest central leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHERWICK Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 The experiment showed that 77% people, when instructed by an authority figure, will inflict harm on another human even through their conscience tells them not too. I'm more worried about those who inflict harm on another human and their conscience tells them to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmarks Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 I'm more worried about those who inflict harm on another human and their conscience tells them to. OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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