DarkHorseWaits-NoMore Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Unmoderated said: No real socialist policies? Are you in the UK? Any country that takes over 25% of GDP to be government controlled is socialist imho. Keynes even advocated that as being the limit for government intervention. Funneling large amounts of GDP to the corporate parasites, captured via the outsourcing of services with continued state subsidies, increasingly ripping off the taxpayer. The totally failed Test Track n Trace being a prime example. Further gov't failing to enable real growth with inadequate investment strategies. Captured or toothless regulators and lack of proper enforcement, creating twisted closed markets that bar entrance of meaningful competition. Deliberately making the countries institutions dysfunctional, to enable further distortions of privatisation and finantialisation. From British Rail to the NHS, social care to higher education... acts of treason and national vandalism, successfully framed as the failings of socialism by the misdirection billionaire press. Nice racket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Insane said: So moving forward do you think in a few years time we will have people demanding that they are cats or dogs with laws stating that it is true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Insane said: I have seen doctors discussing this and denying it is , would you dismiss them as reactionary blowhards? There are many different opinions in the medical world and not every medical practitioner thinks the same way. Save that line for your type's drooling on the C*vid threads..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 8 hours ago, MarkD said: Starmer seems to be marketing himself as the next Blair. Lawyer turned politician. Is the country ready for another Blair? I think not. What’s more interesting is his attempts to totally cancel Corbyn. I can see this blowing up in his face sooner or later. I think Starmer is looking to Blair. What is lacking is a positive vision, which Blair offered in 1997 and Starmer does not. The Starmer pledges, naff though they seem, might be a step in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no_dependent4663 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 11 hours ago, zugzwang said: There are no laws of evolution (nature) or human sexuality (biology). Gender dysmorphia is a recognised medical condition. Happily, only small numbers of individuals are afflicted with it. Even the govts of Iran and Singapore, not renowned as hotbeds of cultural liberalism, have legalised the practice of sex reassignment surgery. I think what the other poster was being pedantic about is you using the word 'sex' (which is genetic) and not 'gender' which is socio-cultural. mean of him to leave you twisting in the wind defending yourself lol. didn't follow the rest of the argument but idgaf about 'gender' dysphoria. Just stay away from kids. I repeat, stay the hell away from kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no_dependent4663 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 10 hours ago, zugzwang said: Trans cult? Go stand in the corner and be quiet. @athom has a point there are call within the LBG to be seperate from the TQ+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobTheBear Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Believe it or not the SDP still exist and have some really good policies that you’ve never heard of. Check out their website. Unfortunately not radical enough on housing and their leader lacks charisma. Potentially a good alternative to ConLabLib Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Unmoderated said: aaaaaaaannnnnnnddddd it's still less dangerous than alcohol and causes far, far fewer social problems. As a 13 year dry drunk who comes from a family of alcoholics I totally agree. I agree with David Nutt and other people, alcohol is the number one worst drug. But I assumed the same as you about laughing gas - but listened to a radio phone in about it. Apparently it not only has those symptoms listed, but can destroy nerve systems with heavy use. Not nearly as harmless as I thought. On the other hand, I agree the Tories love it as one of their many distractions. Edited March 28, 2023 by jonb2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no_dependent4663 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said: Funneling large amounts of GDP to the corporate parasites, captured via the outsourcing of services with continued state subsidies, increasingly ripping off the taxpayer. The totally failed Test Track n Trace being a prime example. Further gov't failing to enable real growth with inadequate investment strategies. Captured or toothless regulators and lack of proper enforcement, creating twisted closed markets that bar entrance of meaningful competition. Deliberately making the countries institutions dysfunctional, to enable further distortions of privatisation and finantialisation. From British Rail to the NHS, social care to higher education... acts of treason and national vandalism, successfully framed as the failings of socialism by the misdirection billionaire press. Nice racket. +1 Best take, but people do not have it because it's soooo much easier to look down and blame benefits and immigrants than to look up and see how the massive shafting really is. High tax with nothing to show for it. Both parties have failed. Neither is anything resembling socialism. bread and circuses is not socialism. Norways 1 Trillion wealth fund and continuous investment in the public infrastructure is democratic socialism. Also, pls, stop trying to call Rishi 'non-dom' Sunak a socialist. it's the height of cognitive dissonance. All that to say Ive given up on socialism in this corrupt, lazy, luddite (except London which is super tech-savvy) country. As someone far above national avg and still young-ish, start showing some ROI on tax or I'm off to Dubai or will just 'quiet quit' like so many others. Edit: just realised how funny it is that the far left in this country cry about wanting higher tax but have then been an absolute thorn in the side of HS2 delaying it by years fighting it tooth and nail. With this attitude, let's see if/when another massive infrastructure investment is proposed. Dammed if you do here. Edited March 28, 2023 by no_dependent4663 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sackboii Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, no_dependent4663 said: As someone far above national avg and still young-ish, start showing some ROI on tax or I'm off to Dubai or will just 'quiet quit' like so many others. Agree. I’m on the opposite side of the age spectrum and nearing the end of tax-paying-through-the-nose work. I’ve had enough of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unmoderated Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 9 hours ago, EmmaRoyds said: Depends on where the moneys going. If it's going on benefits, pensions and renationalising the trains and utilities yes that's socialist. If the money is being given to their mates to create crap PPE and track and trace spreadsheets, and all the other contract backhanders then it doesn't matter if they're deducting 95% its definitely not socialist Even at the height of covid most money wasn't being spent on covid... It was a huge overreaction to protect boomer imho. I think though you'd agree that since uk gdp is well over 25% made up of government spending and that's mostly benefits, health etc we do have a fairly socialist country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regprentice Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 7 hours ago, msi said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man arguably the Trans community themselves are straw men. or rather the trans community are straw men to the gay community, in the same way the "interspecies" community are straw men to the Trans Community. And yet for a vanishingly small proportion of the population the Trans community have managed to undermine and politicise international sport, end the careers of people like JK rowling and, by causing Sturgeon to resign, ended any realistic prospect of Scottish Independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unmoderated Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 9 hours ago, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said: Funneling large amounts of GDP to the corporate parasites, captured via the outsourcing of services with continued state subsidies, increasingly ripping off the taxpayer. The totally failed Test Track n Trace being a prime example. Further gov't failing to enable real growth with inadequate investment strategies. Captured or toothless regulators and lack of proper enforcement, creating twisted closed markets that bar entrance of meaningful competition. Deliberately making the countries institutions dysfunctional, to enable further distortions of privatisation and finantialisation. From British Rail to the NHS, social care to higher education... acts of treason and national vandalism, successfully framed as the failings of socialism by the misdirection billionaire press. Nice racket. Outside of Covid (which was an exceptional few months in the scheme of things - and I agree the costs of it massively exceeded the benefits) isn't the issue, simply, that state owned means of production are so feebly inefficient they cannot compete with the private sector unless government tilts the playing field? Take NHS for example, obvious the government is paying for the service provision but what about all the supply lines into it? Wages are one thing, but equipment, machinery, power, etc? You actually believe there's some conspiracy here to destroy the NHS (despite it sucking ever more billions from the country every year) so that private healthcare benefits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unmoderated Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 45 minutes ago, jonb2 said: As a 13 year dry drunk who comes from a family of alcoholics I totally agree. I agree with David Nutt and other people, alcohol is the number one worst drug. But I assumed the same as you about laughing gas - but listened to a radio phone in about it. Apparently it not only has those symptoms listed, but can destroy nerve systems with heavy use. Not nearly as harmless as I thought. On the other hand, I agree the Tories love it as one of their many distractions. Yeah that's a fair point. It is worse than I initially thought - not totally harmless. But I wonder at what levels you'd have to be taking it to cause that impact. I've tried it many years ago at a party. You fill a balloon and inhale, exhale back into t he balloon and repeat. Kinda makes you giddy for a minute or so and then totally back to normal... well normal for me at least I just find it insane that such a destructive drug like alcohol has a very special protected place in society and yet we ban far less harmful drugs. There's no logic. BTW I'm not calling for an alcohol ban. I bloody love the stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sackboii Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, regprentice said: arguably the Trans community themselves are straw men. or rather the trans community are straw men to the gay community, in the same way the "interspecies" community are straw men to the Trans Community. And yet for a vanishingly small proportion of the population the Trans community have managed to undermine and politicise international sport, end the careers of people like JK rowling and, by causing Sturgeon to resign, ended any realistic prospect of Scottish Independence. Which begs the question, why in so many cases in recent times do the relative minority get such a large voice and have so much apparent impact ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Bob8 said: I think Starmer is looking to Blair. What is lacking is a positive vision, which Blair offered in 1997 and Starmer does not. The Starmer pledges, naff though they seem, might be a step in the right direction. Blair didn't offer an alternative, he was a text book example of making people feel good (remember 'things can only get better....') whilst committing to to the bare minimum that could be delivered with fanfare and minimise Tory attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sackboii said: Which begs the question, why in so many cases in recent times do the relative minority get such a large voice and have so much apparent impact ? Take a look at the Br*xit thread..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 11 hours ago, athom said: You started this by saying people can change their sex Nope. You started this by identifying gender reassignment surgery as an existential threat to this country's future! 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regprentice Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 44 minutes ago, jonb2 said: As a 13 year dry drunk who comes from a family of alcoholics I totally agree. I agree with David Nutt and other people, alcohol is the number one worst drug.. Alcoholism is now accepted as largely genetic. my wifes grandfather, father and brother are all alcoholics. her brother has just recently been sober for a year. So id argue that youre right alcohol is the number one worst drug..... for people who are genetically predisposed to alcoholism. But thats a poor argument to stop other people enjoying alcohol responsibly As another example, we havent banned peanuts even though they can trigger an allergic reaction in, and potentially kill, 1 in 50 children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sackboii Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 26 minutes ago, msi said: Take a look at the Br*xit thread..... Any specific bits you’re referring to ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 24 minutes ago, regprentice said: As another example, we havent banned peanuts even though they can trigger an allergic reaction in, and potentially kill, 1 in 50 children. One of my client sites is peanut free because of someone with an allergy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 9 hours ago, msi said: Save that line for your type's drooling on the C*vid threads..... No I put it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 hour ago, msi said: Blair didn't offer an alternative, he was a text book example of making people feel good (remember 'things can only get better....') whilst committing to to the bare minimum that could be delivered with fanfare and minimise Tory attacks. I disagree. It was not a complex vision, for the first two elections it was a word "Education" then "NHS". This is something Starmer does not have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 hour ago, zugzwang said: Nope. You started this by identifying gender reassignment surgery as an existential threat to this country's future! 😆 This is what your virtue signaling supports. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11908547/I-tried-help-students-turn-failed-endorse-ideology.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 2 hours ago, regprentice said: And yet for a vanishingly small proportion of the population the Trans community have managed to undermine and politicise international sport, end the careers of people like JK rowling and, by causing Sturgeon to resign, ended any realistic prospect of Scottish Independence. Tells you a lot doesn't it. They couldn't have done that, and its global all at the same time, without it being part of a top down global agenda. Something dodgy is going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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