Unmoderated Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 hours ago, zugzwang said: Sums what up perfectly? This UK hasn't elected a socialist govt for half a century! The soaring inflation, unaffordable housing, income inequality, poverty and destitution that now characterises the lived experience of modern Britons is the product of four decades of free market capitalism. Four decades of privatisation, globalisation and deregulation that have left the country without a pot to piss in, meanwhile the national debt is racing off to infinity at a furious clip. LOL. Soaring inflation for about 2 seconds. Benefits ramped to cover for that PLUS heating bills subsidised. Lack of free market causes all kinds of other issues. Do you think these policies aren't socialist and that paying people to stay at home to do jack-sh!t isn't socialist? I guess Covid was all because of the free market capitalism too? Despite it, ironically, being created by a communist state. You're good value mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unmoderated Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 hour ago, jonb2 said: Long term effects of nangs Regular use or prolonged exposure to nitrous oxide may result in: memory loss vitamin B12 depletion (long-term depletion causes brain and nerve damage) ringing or buzzing in the ears incontinence numbness in the hands or feet limb spasms potential birth defects (if used during pregnancy) weakened immune system disruption to reproductive systems depression psychological dependence psychosis.6, 10-12 Nitrous oxide – uses, impacts and risks - Alcohol and Drug Foundation https://adf.org.au/insights/nitrous-oxide/ aaaaaaaannnnnnnddddd it's still less dangerous than alcohol and causes far, far fewer social problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cocha Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 hour ago, clarkey said: It was labour that blew a good chunk of the bubble house prices we see today. I will not let house prices get out of control said Gordon Brown Indeed, but just like EU fanbois memories only stretch back as far as June 2016, labour fanbois memories only stretch back to 2010 when it comes to the housing ponzi scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unmoderated Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 hour ago, clarkey said: It was labour that blew a good chunk of the bubble house prices we see today. I will not let house prices get out of control said Gordon Brown Yep. Once they're out of control it's pretty much impossible to get them back down without causing a major economic calamity. 36 minutes ago, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said: Exactly, 40+ years and no real socialist policies. There's not even a worthy left of center option to vote for in England. Starmer is another lying Blu-Labour w-anker! Maybe a Green candidate, if they can afford to stand one. No real socialist policies? Are you in the UK? Any country that takes over 25% of GDP to be government controlled is socialist imho. Keynes even advocated that as being the limit for government intervention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 hour ago, athom said: The correct answer is of course NONE Not according to the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, zugzwang said: Not according to the law. None according to the laws of nature, biology and truth. Actually I'm quite sure not even the most insane laws in the world claim people can change their sex as you said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 12 minutes ago, zugzwang said: Not according to the law. If people in Government bought in a law saying the Moon was made of Cheese would you believe it was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, athom said: None according to the laws of nature, biology and truth. Actually I'm quite sure not even the most insane laws in the world claim people can change their sex as you said. There are no laws of evolution (nature) or human sexuality (biology). Gender dysmorphia is a recognised medical condition. Happily, only small numbers of individuals are afflicted with it. Even the govts of Iran and Singapore, not renowned as hotbeds of cultural liberalism, have legalised the practice of sex reassignment surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Insane said: If people in Government bought in a law saying the Moon was made of Cheese would you believe it was? Gender dysmorphia is a recognised medical condition. Why do reactionary blowhards keep pretending it's not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, zugzwang said: Gender dysmorphia is a recognised medical condition. Why do reactionary blowhards keep pretending it's not? Would they have reality disphoria? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Insane said: Were you saying take a few £ from the average and give it to the poor? As that is how it sounded. I replied we have been discussing this project recently where by there is very little or no difference between the two groups. I was asking you if that is what you want to carry on with ? No I said if take a few pounds from the millions ......adds up to billions. The wealthier and elite would say taking bigger money off of them wouldn't make hardly a difference, add up to millions not billions....not enough of them to count and they would notice it more and shout louder.....so stealth taxes taken from the millions of those beneath them would collect more money and not be noticed......so don't even try taxing them more......give them their taxes back instead via bigger pensions, will need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, zugzwang said: Gender dysmorphia is a recognised medical condition. Happily, only small numbers of individuals are afflicted with it. On this we agree. Some people think they are in the body of the opposite sex. They aren't of course. It used to be 1 in every 250 schools had 1 child with it. Someone told me recently that his daughters class has 12 children of variance in some way or other. It used to be that 9 in 10 kids with it would be cured of it during puberty. Now 9 in 10 kids who have it, (not forgetting how much more of it there is now) and "gender affirming hormone treatments" go on to have bodily mutilation surgery. Something is going seriously wrong. 9 minutes ago, zugzwang said: Even the govts of Iran and Singapore, not renowned as hotbeds of cultural liberalism, have legalised the practice of sex reassignment surgery. Genital mutilation should not be a choice the mentally ill can make IMO. The stats show it doesn't do any good in reducing anxiety or suicidal tendencies in the majority of those operated on. Quite rightly it is illegal outside of the bizarre "gender cult" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11891741/Nine-charged-extreme-body-modifications-footage-*****-amputations-livestreamed.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, msi said: Would they have reality disphoria? A few years ago the same voices would have been demanding oestrogen treatment for the crime of homosexuality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, zugzwang said: Gender dysmorphia is a recognised medical condition. Why do reactionary blowhards keep pretending it's not? We have the person who has mental as well as physical characteristics. The dysmorphia is not being happy within the physical body sadly that cannot be changed. No different to me wishing I was 5" 10" and not 5" 5" I can tell everyone I am 5" 10" they can bring in a law and demand that everyone nods their head when I tell them I am 5" 10" and not 5" 5". but I am 5" 5". Gender dysmorphia being recognised as a medical condition .I have seen doctors discussing this and denying it is , would you dismiss them as reactionary blowhards? There are many different opinions in the medical world and not every medical practitioner thinks the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, zugzwang said: A few years ago the same voices would have been demanding oestrogen treatment for the crime of homosexuality. So moving forward do you think in a few years time we will have people demanding that they are cats or dogs with laws stating that it is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, zugzwang said: A few years ago the same voices would have been demanding oestrogen treatment for the crime of homosexuality. Funny you say that. Many same sex activists (LGB alliance etc) are very upset with the trans cults castration and cross sex hormone treatment of boys who would have otherwise been same sex attracted males. Actually they are still same sex attracted males but now they are mutilated. Does this really sound like progress? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, athom said: On this we agree. Some people think they are in the body of the opposite sex. They aren't of course. No, we don't agree. Your airy dismissal of what is known to be a harrowing psychological torment is contemptible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, Insane said: So moving forward do you think in a few years time we will have people demanding that they are cats or dogs with laws stating that it is true. Do people who believe in a Flat Earth believe in a Flat Sun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, athom said: Funny you say that. Many same sex activists (LGB alliance etc) are very upset with the trans cults castration and cross sex hormone treatment of boys who would have otherwise been same sex attracted males. Actually they are still same sex attracted males but now they are mutilated. Does this really sound like progress? Trans cult? Go stand in the corner and be quiet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, zugzwang said: No, we don't agree. Your airy dismissal of what is known to be a harrowing psychological torment is contemptible. Standard dismissal of the facts by the virtue signaling cult follower. carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, athom said: Standard dismissal of the facts by the virtue signaling cult follower. carry on. Facts? I'm the one quoting the science! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ftb_fml Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Is one of them overcoming the fact that their leader is an unconvincing wasteland of charisma whose meaningless soundbites read like they were generated by AI designed by primary school children? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, zugzwang said: Facts? I'm the one quoting the science! You started this by saying people can change their sex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, zugzwang said: Trans cult? Go stand in the corner and be quiet. That is the big problem isn't it. Any one who has a different opinion to this cult they want destroyed and cancelled. They expect society to accept them as they are without question but when someone does have a different opinion to them they go into overdrive. To be honest if these people want respect and acceptance they have not helped themselves have they. They could have understood that even if they have had certain medical procedures they will still keep many physical characteristics from their body that have not been changed. Why can they not accept this understand other peoples thoughts and opinions taking them onboard. To give one example of this why could Trans men not have kept out of woman's sport? Did you see the Trans man who won the woman's swimming event in the USA he was about 6"4" and still had this 3 piece suite in tact. Do you really believe it was a woman who won that race and knocked the real winner into second place. I don't think the winner was a woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmmaRoyds Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 3 hours ago, Unmoderated said: Any country that takes over 25% of GDP to be government controlled is socialist imho. Keynes even advocated that as being the limit for government intervention. Depends on where the moneys going. If it's going on benefits, pensions and renationalising the trains and utilities yes that's socialist. If the money is being given to their mates to create crap PPE and track and trace spreadsheets, and all the other contract backhanders then it doesn't matter if they're deducting 95% its definitely not socialist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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