rollover Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 1 hour ago, pig said: Well no prior to Putins admission it was an 'open secret' that they acted on behalf of Russias interests. I am therefore also wondering if a route has opened up for making Russia liable for Wagners actions in the past. Just to be clear eg prior to the explicit dates Putin has admitted. You are just backpedaling now ..., because you took yelims' hoax at the face value ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Grayphil said: I think you are broken, please report back to the Kremlin for reprogramming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantNavy Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 21 hours ago, kzb said: 21 hours ago, Up the spout said: 7 hours ago, Pmax2020 said: 21 hours ago, Up the spout said: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/06/16/world/europe/ukraine-kakhovka-dam-collapse.html https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/09/seismic-data-adds-evidence-ukraine-kakhovka-dam-blown-up https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/evidence-suggests-russia-blew-kakhovka-dam-ukraine-new-york-times-2023-06-18/ https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-dam-collapse-drone-photos-video-cd5db301fbd09c054f208c47dd68130f https://www.euronews.com/2023/06/07/evidence-reasoning-and-rhetoric-suggest-russia-deliberately-damaged-kakhovka-dam-says-isw https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-kakhovka-dam-explosion-seismic-activity-rcna88504 https://www.rferl.org/a/kakhovka-dam-new-york-times-russia-blew-it-up-evidence/32464308.html https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/news-wrap-evidence-growing-that-explosion-rocked-ukraine-dam-before-collapse I could go on, but I know you'll just comment with some lame attempt at a riposte and actually provide no evidence to back up your claim. That's either because you have none and are a dumb shill, or a pretty average troll who posts when he doesn't have double maths. Here you go people. https://tass.com/defense/1641075 Now you'll question the source despite all your sources being pro Ukrainian. Try to think as a neutral. Edited July 2, 2023 by MerchantNavy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantNavy Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 On 7/1/2023 at 12:54 PM, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said: No need to give him the abuse, just stick to the details: Edit: more vids and images from 7mins. More Kramatorsk pizza restaurant missile attack on info (meeting of generals, mercenaries and soldiers etc.) at ~14:10 here: He's not interested if it's negative news for Ukraine. He is biased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynamehere Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 Russian news agency.... There is no such thing as neutral correct but that doesn't mean there is no such thing as( obvious to the extreme) state-sponsered propaganda. I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 French AMX-10 RC infantry fighting vehicles are “impractical” for frontline attacks A Ukrainian commander has claimed the highly mobile French AMX-10 RC infantry fighting vehicles – sometimes described as light tanks – are “impractical” for frontline attacks, claiming one four-man crew has already died because of the vehicle’s thin armour. AFP reports that a 34-year-old battalion commander within the 37th Marine Brigade, who uses the call sign Spartanets, said the tanks’ “thin armour” means they can be used as fire support, but not in frontline assaults. “There was artillery shelling and a shell exploded near the vehicle, the fragments pierced the armour and the ammunition set detonated.” The crew of four inside were all killed, he said. “The guns are good, the observation devices are very good. But unfortunately there is thin armour and it is impractical to use them in the front line (attack),” Spartanets said. Guardian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 39 minutes ago, rollover said: You are just backpedaling now ..., because you took yelims' hoax at the face value ... Awwww bless - you trying to lash out because you're feeling hurt over Russia again lol ? We can help you, you just need to try to learn how to contribute to debate instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, pig said: Awwww bless - you trying to lash out because you're feeling hurt over Russia again lol ? We can help you, you just need to try to learn how to contribute to debate instead Eat humble pie and swallow your pride ... not an easy task ... innit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 2 hours ago, rollover said: Most certainly not ... misshoot ... try again ... No its very actually the facts... mishoot try again fail again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 35 minutes ago, rollover said: French AMX-10 RC infantry fighting vehicles are “impractical” for frontline attacks A Ukrainian commander has claimed the highly mobile French AMX-10 RC infantry fighting vehicles – sometimes described as light tanks – are “impractical” for frontline attacks, claiming one four-man crew has already died because of the vehicle’s thin armour. AFP reports that a 34-year-old battalion commander within the 37th Marine Brigade, who uses the call sign Spartanets, said the tanks’ “thin armour” means they can be used as fire support, but not in frontline assaults. “There was artillery shelling and a shell exploded near the vehicle, the fragments pierced the armour and the ammunition set detonated.” The crew of four inside were all killed, he said. “The guns are good, the observation devices are very good. But unfortunately there is thin armour and it is impractical to use them in the front line (attack),” Spartanets said. Guardian Erm its a reconnaisance tank and fire support vehicle for mobile warfare - its used in that role by the FFL of France. The armour is the same as any reconnaisance light tank - so that is BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 15 minutes ago, pig said: Awwww bless - you trying to lash out because you're feeling hurt over Russia again lol ? We can help you, you just need to try to learn how to contribute to debate instead I believe someone is having a bad day because their beloved Vlad made another howler of an error of judgement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 30 minutes ago, rollover said: Eat humble pie and swallow your pride ... not an easy task ... innit? So do you think Putin has increased his liability for Wagner by admitting he has been paying them ? Or is this too senstive a topic for you to discuss ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 12 minutes ago, pig said: So do you think Putin has increased his liability for Wagner by admitting he has been paying them ? Or is this too senstive a topic for you to discuss ? "According to Vladimir Putin, Wagner was given 86.262bn roubles ($1bn) from May 2022 to May 2023 alone for salaries and bonuses, which came from the defence ministry and state budget." Their weapons are to be handed back to the Russian military... As Russia is therefore supplying, paying wages and the leadership of Wagner subordinate to the state that makes them state level combatants with the IHL breaches falling on the state for its failures. same for Kadyrov's Chechens they are Russian militia / paramilitary force Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Quiet Guy said: The conflict has aspects that can be viewed as a proxy war. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ukraine-zelensky-dc-visit-biden-war-b2249618.html I don't like what Russia has done but that doesn't make us Saints. Who said we're saints? But viewing it as a proxy war is really rather pedalling Russian BS. Sure, there are bits of the world where we'd quite happily let neighbours murder each other, but that doesn't mean that any time we do get invovled with providing assistance it's thus a proxy war, even if there are elements of self-interest. Facts leading up to then clearly portary a West that was rather too keen on handwringing excuses to not get involved, rather than searching for ones to do so. Russia simply crossed the line beyond which supporting Ukraine was the only acceptable option. And Russia keeps behaving in a manner seemingly designed to encourage further involvement, even though that would cost Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blobsy Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 Bucha, Jul 1 (EFE/EPA).- A solemn memorial service was held in Bucha, in the Kiev region of Ukraine, on Saturday in honour of the victims of attacks and executions by Russian troops as part of the ongoing invasion. The memorial, bearing the names of 501 identified victims, was unveiled at the entrance to the city park, attracting a large number of visitors. The Russian invasion of Ukraine, which began in February 2022, has been characterised by widespread destruction and a severe humanitarian crisis. The Bucha memorial is a stark reminder of the human cost of the conflict and offers mourners a place to remember their loved ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up the spout Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 2 hours ago, MerchantNavy said: Here you go people. https://tass.com/defense/1641075 Now you'll question the source despite all your sources being pro Ukrainian. Oh wow it's so convincing - I'm totally convinced about whatever point you're failing to make lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70PC Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Quiet Guy said: The conflict has aspects that can be viewed as a proxy war. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ukraine-zelensky-dc-visit-biden-war-b2249618.html I don't like what Russia has done but that doesn't make us Saints. Ukrainians are losing their lives hour by hour to defend their country. In doing so, they are also protecting others from a violent man set on expanding his borders. It is a proxy war for those not in the fight but Ukraine's ability to stop Putin is in everyones' interest. Bringing this down to Saints versus non-Saints trivialises it. Doubtless there were voices trying to rationalise Hitlers murderous campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantNavy Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 30 minutes ago, Up the spout said: Oh wow it's so convincing - I'm totally convinced about whatever point you're failing to make lol No bother, expected response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 23 minutes ago, Blobsy said: Bucha, Jul 1 (EFE/EPA).- A solemn memorial service was held in Bucha, in the Kiev region of Ukraine, on Saturday in honour of the victims of attacks and executions by Russian troops as part of the ongoing invasion. The memorial, bearing the names of 501 identified victims, was unveiled at the entrance to the city park, attracting a large number of visitors. The Russian invasion of Ukraine, which began in February 2022, has been characterised by widespread destruction and a severe humanitarian crisis. The Bucha memorial is a stark reminder of the human cost of the conflict and offers mourners a place to remember their loved ones. The Russian invasion of teh Ukraine began in 2014. Barely rated a mention on HPC. The Ukies will accept the legal division of their country this autumn because Coma Joe needs to get this latest strategic folly out of the headlines before the 2024 presidential campaign kicks off. Better believe it! https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/30/cia-director-burns-ukraine-counteroffensive/ CIA director, on secret trip to Ukraine, hears plan for war’s endgame During meetings in Kyiv, William Burns was told of Ukraine’s ambitious goal to retake territory and push Moscow into talks by the end of the year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70PC Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, zugzwang said: The Ukies will accept the legal division of their country this autumn because Coma Joe needs to get this latest strategic folly out of the headlines before the 2024 presidential campaign kicks off. Russia has purjured itself to capture Ukraine but this won't go away. There are no legal grounds for illegal invasions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantNavy Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 1 hour ago, 70PC said: Russia has purjured itself to capture Ukraine but this won't go away. There are no legal grounds for illegal invasions. Russian troops are advancing in four areas of the front line in eastern Ukraine amid “fierce fighting”, says Ukraine’s deputy defence minister Ganna Maliar. We'll have to wait months to find out what is actually going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 37 minutes ago, MerchantNavy said: Russian troops are advancing in four areas of the front line in eastern Ukraine amid “fierce fighting”, says Ukraine’s deputy defence minister Ganna Maliar. We'll have to wait months to find out what is actually going on. Ukraine says Russian troops advancing in ‘fierce fighting’ Russian troops are advancing in four areas of the front line in eastern Ukraine amid “fierce fighting”, Ukraine’s Deputy Defence Minister Hanna Maliar has said. “Fierce fighting is going on everywhere,” Maliar wrote on social media, adding: “The situation is quite complicated”. “The enemy is advancing in Avdiivka, Mariinka, Lyman sectors. The enemy is also moving forward in the Svatove sector,” she said. Maliar said Ukrainian troops were advancing with “partial success” on the southern flank of Bakhmut, as well as near Berdyansk and Melitopol in southern Ukraine. aljazeera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Bear Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 15 minutes ago, rollover said: Ukraine says Russian troops advancing in ‘fierce fighting’ Russian troops are advancing in four areas of the front line in eastern Ukraine amid “fierce fighting”, Ukraine’s Deputy Defence Minister Hanna Maliar has said. “Fierce fighting is going on everywhere,” Maliar wrote on social media, adding: “The situation is quite complicated”. “The enemy is advancing in Avdiivka, Mariinka, Lyman sectors. The enemy is also moving forward in the Svatove sector,” she said. Maliar said Ukrainian troops were advancing with “partial success” on the southern flank of Bakhmut, as well as near Berdyansk and Melitopol in southern Ukraine. aljazeera Looks like Russia is on its knees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, Flat Bear said: Looks like Russia is on its knees. ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkG Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 4 hours ago, 70PC said: Ukrainians are losing their lives hour by hour to defend their country. No, they're losing their lives hour by hour to defend child castration and butt sex. Ukraine could have had a peace deal last year which would have been massively better than the situation today and would probably not have required ceding any territory other than Crimea. And few men on either side would have had to die for it. They could have a peace deal today, but it would now also require giving up the Black Sea coast and Donbas. And after Merkel spilled the beans about the Minsk agreements, the Russians have little reason to trust anyone in the West or its proxies to keep to any agreement they make. So, for the sake of child castration and butt sex, Ukraine will be destroyed. Such is the fate of those who choose to fight as proxies for the Gay American Empire. Satan loves to destroy his minions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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