Anger is mounting

[debtlessmanc]

2 minutes ago, Trampa501 said:

You're assuming that elections will continue in the same vein. Before I'm rightly accused of tin foil paranoia, remember that few would have predicted a short time back that all pubs, restaurants and cinemas would be closed in this country. Circumstances change.

Its a pandemic. We are actually lucky, imagine that the disease was this infectious and had 10% morbidity like SARS 1, the world might have gone full on mad max.

[Huggy]

2 hours ago, BobbyZZZ said:

its only going to get worse when the youngsters of today in a decade plus dont know if they are he/she /it/all/none etc......

SUPER STRAIGHT 💪😄

[Si1]

Mind you I've found a way around the 6pm curfew - I'll simply say I identify with the female gender and my pronouns are she/her.

Edited March 15, 2021 by Si1

[Huggy]

1 hour ago, debtlessmanc said:

 

There's that word again "Protest", I thought it was supposed to be a "Vigil"?

[Bruce Banner]

9 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

Its a pandemic. We are actually lucky, imagine that the disease was this infectious and had 10% morbidity like SARS 1, the world might have gone full on mad max.

Except that over 90% would still be alive.

[Huggy]

9 minutes ago, Si1 said:

Mind you I've found a way around the 6pm curfew - I'll simply say I identify with the female gender and my pronouns are she/her.

Didn't a criminal in Aus manage to get put into a women's prison by doing this? Can't rememeber where I read that.

He sexually assaulted an inmate of course.

Edited March 15, 2021 by Huggy

[Insane]

4 hours ago, Megadebt said:

Definition of assault can include very minor non injurous contact. As for Police and CPS being fair -perhaps,  but the usual  'he says /she says x 2 witnesses'  you can be sure who is getting locked up. Even if the two statements are mutually exclusive and no further action , that could be a day or two locked up.  More complex cases where bail is refused, maybe a year on remand waiting in prison.  (lost job, house and gained a record)

 I Don't know what happened, nor do you judging by the reliability of your witnesses.

 Just a possible scenario spelling out the reality of the consequences of making false statements.  

 Also arguably wasting Police time, those twin emergency response cars could take cars from several miles away. Let the controller prioritise his limited emergency response?  

 I suggest the shop should write to their MP about police levels, maybe invest in a store detective and not interfere with criminal justice and obstruct the police. 

 

 

 Smart inuendo last paragraph, no I don't downgrade violence to women, or men, at all - just don't condone anyone lying / exaggerating  in verbal or written police statements.   

 Your answer typifies both the  illogical / immoral /ill-informed. 

 Nothing about normalising violence to women, my point is nothing justifies perjury and risks the liberty of a (less guilty) just to make a point about staffing levels. If having this perverse opinoin makes me a wife beating misogynist then sobeit.

Yes I think your right the woman should have let the shop lifter go with the goods after he slapped her. As you say if he had previous for shop lifting and slapping women he might get in trouble. She should have thought about that shop lifters rights.

Has it crossed your mind that if the shop lifter did not shop lift and slap women there would have been no need to call the Police. 

[debtlessmanc]

3 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

Except that over 90% would still be alive.

In the modern era people do not expect to die of an illness whilst young, it would have spread panic.

Look at what we have, morbidity 1%, mostly the very elderly, and yet we are locked down

In medieval europe people would have hardly noticed it

in the modern era people have the right to 86 years...

Edited March 15, 2021 by debtlessmanc

[Si1]

3 minutes ago, Huggy said:

There's that word again "Protest", I thought it was supposed to be a "Vigil"?

I actually think they probably wanted to be arrested, all part of the hard left identity. Like Rick from the young ones.

[Bruce Banner]

9 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

In the modern era people do not expect to die of an illness whilst young, it would have spread panic.

Look at what we have, morbidity 1%, mostly the very elderly, and yet we are locked down

In medieval europe people would have hardly noticed it

in the modern era people have the right to 86 years...

You're hit the nail on the head there, I'm in the medieval camp, haven't visited a GP for thirty odd years, and don't have any issues over life expectancy rights, but that's me. 

Edited March 15, 2021 by Bruce Banner

[mattyboy1973]

28 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

Its a pandemic. We are actually lucky, imagine that the disease was this infectious and had 10% morbidity like SARS 1, the world might have gone full on mad max.

I've thought a bit about how the last year might have played out if the mortality across age ranges was closer to flu, which is a U shape - i.e. the very young and the very old are the most susceptible. Imagine 0-5 year olds dying at the same rate as the over 80's. There would certainly have been a bit less debate about whether to shut the schools.

[Bugger BTL]

2 hours ago, debtlessmanc said:

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I critised both extremes, they seem to be the ones getting upset about the lockdown. The vigil might have been about the murder, but the reason the police were there was the violation of the covid rules. here is the girl photographed resisting arrest yestresday being interviewed by a revolutionary socialist group (counterfire- it is how they describe themselves) note she is not wearing a face mask.

 

Can you clarify the relevance of her not wearing a mask here?

[Bugger BTL]

21 minutes ago, Huggy said:

Didn't a criminal in Aus manage to get put into a women's prison by doing this? Can't rememeber where I read that.

He sexually assaulted an inmate of course.

Happened here too, not so long ago. Google Karen White rapist. 

[Insane]

6 hours ago, Brave New World said:

Fine balance tho....as the well to do stay at home mums seem mostly empty, a bit mad (the effect of social media possibly) and oddly intimidated by the other female halves who do work. 

I have met a fair few women who wished they could have stayed at home even if it was just until the youngest went to school but they could not due to the cost of the Roof over the head. 

They all said they had been coned into the Career by being told they could have it all. But have realised no one gets it all. One of these women was a National News Paper Editor back (she did have a house husband) in the day when papers were much bigger than they are now and  another a solicitor. All said that having to work full time impacted on them their husbands and their children. I remember the Solicitor saying " those women who burnt their bras in the 60's did not really do us any favours did they".

[debtlessmanc]

17 minutes ago, Bugger BTL said:

Can you clarify the relevance of her not wearing a mask here?

She is speaking on camera, perhaps if they had a disclaimer that the phone holder was 2m away? they do not seem too worried about spreading disease to be honest.

Edited March 15, 2021 by debtlessmanc

[Insane]

6 hours ago, Brave New World said:

Internet dating has taken the chance aspect out of the equation.

Can't imagine what it is like nowadays. Horrific. Prescribed to certain people based on well researched looks and cash potential via social media. Youngsters literally never going out on the 'pull' anymore. Just swiping.

 

Very good Female friend of mine prior to the internet tried Date Line. I remember her saying she had met this or that guy in the Pub after work as she did not want to admit she was on Date Line. I thought she is very good at meeting guys in Pubs and then one day she let it slip she had met them via Date Line. 

After many Dates that failed for various reasons she made a decision to give it all up and had become resigned to the fact that in her mid 30's with a good job and her own house that was going to be her lot. Very soon after she stopped trying she went to the Pub after work on a Friday night bumped into a man by chance they dated for a few years (he matched her financially) they married , have 3 teenage children and are still happy after over 25 years. 

[debtlessmanc]

35 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

You're hit the nail on the head there, I'm in the medieval camp, haven't visited a GP for thirty odd years, and don't have any issues over life expectancy rights, but that's me. 

Doctors and nurses often decline eg Chemotherapy to extend life, they have seen the effects and they know better than most that life has an end.

[Gribble]

What a joke, The woman is not even cold and the men haters gather in force . Before any trial of the suspect - no one knows the background. As Muslims murder more than anyone I did not here calls for curfews for them? Of course that would be discriminatory .How about for off duty cops (the suspect was one). No lets single out men. And the police acted less harshly at the weekend than other vigils demos. And the knee jerk Patel/Khan  pandering to woke/PCness. I said in half in jest feminists would only be happy when all males are locked up . never a truer word ,,,,,,, 

[Bugger BTL]

17 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

She is speaking on camera, perhaps if they had a disclaimer that the phone holder was 2m away? they do not seem too worried about spreading disease to be honest.

She was wearing a mask during the protest, the only time we actually know she was within 2 metres of anyone, so you're making an assumption. Although if I were her I don't know that I'd have bothered anyway. We've had numerous examples of outdoor gatherings, not all of them particularly masked, and no documented increase in cases on those attending. There comes a point when it's worth asking why bother.

[Si1]

21 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

She is speaking on camera, perhaps if they had a disclaimer that the phone holder was 2m away? they do not seem too worried about spreading disease to be honest.

Yeah we all need to set decent examples too.

[debtlessmanc]

5 minutes ago, Bugger BTL said:

She was wearing a mask during the protest, the only time we actually know she was within 2 metres of anyone, so you're making an assumption. Although if I were her I don't know that I'd have bothered anyway. We've had numerous examples of outdoor gatherings, not all of them particularly masked, and no documented increase in cases on those attending. There comes a point when it's worth asking why bother.

a disclaimer too much to ask? like i say they do not seem to be worried about it? how would you document increases amongst those attending take their names down and check afterwards?

[Bugger BTL]

1 minute ago, debtlessmanc said:

a disclaimer too much to ask? like i say they do not seem to be worried about it? how would you document increases amongst those attending take their names down and check afterwards?

Perhaps those of you who are sufficiently concerned about people in this situation speaking without wearing masks (as they're perfectly legally entitled to) could establish that. 

As for disclaimers, I'm very sceptical that there exists a way in which the women being arrested for protesting could conduct themselves without people who don't agree with their actions finding something to complain about. But no, personally I don't see any reason to provide disclaimers about staying 2 metres away, outside, when there's no obligation whatsoever on them to do so.  Maybe I am less attached to the concept of mask wearing than you are, and indeed than the woman in question.

[debtlessmanc]

2 minutes ago, Bugger BTL said:

Perhaps those of you who are sufficiently concerned about people in this situation speaking without wearing masks (as they're perfectly legally entitled to) could establish that. 

As for disclaimers, I'm very sceptical that there exists a way in which the women being arrested for protesting could conduct themselves without people who don't agree with their actions finding something to complain about. But no, personally I don't see any reason to provide disclaimers about staying 2 metres away, outside, when there's no obligation whatsoever on them to do so.  Maybe I am less attached to the concept of mask wearing than you are, and indeed than the woman in question.

Suppose she had said, i was in the pub after a few pints, heard about the case and drove over here?

[Bugger BTL]

Just now, debtlessmanc said:

Suppose she had said, i was in the pub after a few pints, heard about the case and drove over here?

Then it would be a situation quite unlike the one being discussed.

[debtlessmanc]

2 minutes ago, Bugger BTL said:

Then it would be a situation quite unlike the one being discussed.

No it is something society agrees is sociallu unacceptable. If they were throwing bricks at the police, as long as the wore masks and used public transport that would be okay.