Ukip To Abolish Inheritance Tax

[Guest_northshore_*]

Who would you vote for then and why?

Given the choices today probably Greens on basis of having even a modicum of sensible economic/land/tax policies. But I don't agree with many of their other views and yes I'm aware of the general futility. If UKIP were standing on terms similar to Goldsmith's former anti-EU then quit perspective, I'd consider it. But living in the heart of nimbyville in the home counties I have a fair idea of the realities of the UKIP electorate (old, well-off, selfish, old, conservative, nimby and old) and that's not my bag nor what I think this country needs.

When I compare Miliband, Clegg, Cameron and Farage, I know which one I'd rather have as PM, so I shall be voting UKIP.

Ok.

[Executive Sadman]

the only reason ukip exist is to protect the interest of the ruling class

they want wealth to pass cleanly and efficiently from one generation to the next

The ruling class have yet to catch on, then.

Was in Clacton a couple of days ago. All the tory placards were in gardens in the posh end (frinton) All the UKIP ones in the yards of the crappy terraces in Clacton.

All surveys say the same. Its the working class voting UKIP, regardless of whether they were labour or tory. The average UKIP voter is the poorest of all four parties voters.

Its those of us left behind by globalism who threaten the liblabcon monopoly. Might be nice for those who get to jet off all over the world or benefit from cheap maids. For the rest of us, its been a bloody disaster.

[Baxter Basics MP]

I've read today that snp membership has now overtaken libdems and has 3rd largest membership in uk. In a time when party membership is generally declining. We also have the 45 group who are not accepting that scottish independence has been settled for a generation. I'm sensing a bottom up grass roots movement up here in scotland. For the record I voted yes just for the hell of it and as a protest against westminster and the staus quo.

I'm also feeling that dissatisfaction with westminster is unprecedented and growing which suits me as I've felt like an outsider in that respect for a while now.

Watching with interest how party politics in uk are going regarding liblabcon..

What else can one do but watch the deckchairs being rearranged as the uk ship goes down? My own perspective is a sort of resigned amusement that at least the liblabcon goons in westminster are probably having some sleepless nights that the uk population might vote for someone else but them.

One thing seems to be for sure though, the Lib-Dems are finished.

I suspect once Cameron is gone, the Cons will become UKIP mk2.

[Killer Bunny]

Which of the following do you prefer..... Labour, Conservative or LibDem, or do you have another viable alternative?

Give them all a kicking and vote UKIP.

I did and will do and joined and am activist for. But housing spokesman is a multimillionaire BTLer. You couldn't make it up.

[oracle]

When I compare Miliband, Clegg, Cameron and Farage, I know which one I'd rather have as PM, so I shall be voting UKIP.

yes but there is no strength in depth.

look at the rest of the cabinet( UKIP), aside farage they have got quite a bit of baggage.

I would LIKE to vote for them,but the mantra of "clean-up politics and represent the people" now has to be action by example-not mere words.

time to walk the walk.

if the tories were to sideline david cameron and put david davis up for the job, with a proper stable-clean of all the dross, then they've got a very good chance in the next election.

[PopGun]

  

I think devolution of some kind is going to happen now anyway, just not in the way the snp want or nulabout expect.

cameron has played a good hand here.

english votes have been not just ignored, but belittled and demonised over the past administration.

best solution for everyone now is something like "electora college" type politics in UK.

with a national, federal government administering only very core services to all..like defence

the rest can be governed at "state" level.

We all just need independence from London, not its scraps

[@contradevian]

Somebody on the radio this morning claimed that the surge in support for the SNP will see them overtake the LibDems any day now? Fantastic if true. Dissatisfaction with the Westminster troika is unprecedented in my experience. People want anything but LibLabCon.

I regard UKIP as part of LibLabCon, all they are is an even nastier version of the nasty party which for some reason attracks popular appeal. A bit like the tea party, where you get the lower orders to campaign for their own slavery.

[happy_renting]

Far better to punish people for contributing to society and working, via income tax?

There was a time when Britain was funded far more from property taxes, until a century ago, when the working masses started to be heavily taxed to fund the adventure of also becoming cannon fodder.

[Bruce Banner]

yes but there is no strength in depth.

look at the rest of the cabinet( UKIP), aside farage they have got quite a bit of baggage.

I would LIKE to vote for them,but the mantra of "clean-up politics and represent the people" now has to be action by example-not mere words.

time to walk the walk.

if the tories were to sideline david cameron and put david davis up for the job, with a proper stable-clean of all the dross, then they've got a very good chance in the next election.

As a life long Conservative I would like nothing better, but until then, UKIP it is.

[@contradevian]

As a life long Conservative I would like nothing better, but until then, UKIP it is.

You are just voting 'nasty Tory' then which will only encourage even more boomer/NIMBY orientated policies (if that were possible) from the 'real Tories.'

You'd be better voting Socialist Worker as a protest.

Edited September 24, 2014 by aSecureTenant

[gf3]

I regard UKIP as part of LibLabCon, all they are is an even nastier version of the nasty party which for some reason attracks popular appeal. A bit like the tea party, where you get the lower orders to campaign for their own slavery.

I do agree with you. I am thinking of voting UKIP just this once and then voting green in all elections afterwards. Voting green in this election seem totally pointless. TBH voting seems pointless these days.

[Bloo Loo]

And this will be paid for how? Did they mention that bit?

I hope you arent falling for the trap of how are cuts being paid for.

Thats like saying Im not going to buy a mars bar this week...how is the shop going to pay for it.

[olde guto]

Yeah, because a party made up of boomer NIMBYs was always going to want to lower house prices.

Exactly.

Imagine if the Daily Mail/Express went into politics, they'd come-up with something like UKIP.

UKIP will never intentionally cause a HPC.

Farage was a city commodities trader his father was a stockbroker, as an MEP he has claimed some £2million in expenses or to use the PC term allowances. He is 100% establishment, if he was still a Tory he'd be a hate figure amongst a lot of his current fans.

[olliegog]

'Around 14,629 people, or 2.6pc of the total who die every year, pay inheritance tax, after all of the legal sheltering has taken place'

quotiing from a Telegraph article from 2013.

farms are exempt - why?

the total tax take is around 3bn from these 15000 people

the inheriters are the ones who benefit not the deceased who built up the 'capital' so logically there should be a tax on the supposed income from the inherited capital at the time of inheriting.

[byron78]

Which of the following do you prefer..... Labour, Conservative or LibDem, or do you have another viable alternative?

Give them all a kicking and vote UKIP.

Voting in a tiger to replace the foxes in the hen house is obviously a brilliant idea.

It's not really giving them a kicking with regards the UK's housing issues when UKIP 's policies are all about protecting the greenbelt and their housing minister is a boomer landlord with his snout firmly in the housing benefit trough is it?

UKIP are just going to see the Tories appease and pander to the boomer/pensioner vote more. That's a step backwards not a step forward in most cases.

I did think about voting UKIP and then I saw their EU voting record and policies. If that's our only hope I'm leaving the UK now.

Edited September 24, 2014 by byron78

[Northerner]

I think devolution of some kind is going to happen now anyway, just not in the way the snp want or nulabout expect.

cameron has played a good hand here.

english votes have been not just ignored, but belittled and demonised over the past administration.

best solution for everyone now is something like "electora college" type politics in UK.

with a national, federal government administering only very core services to all..like defence

the rest can be governed at "state" level.

YDM is doing quite well round here ...

http://yorkshiredevolutionmovementt.wordpress.com/

[Eddie_George]

Good idea.

Only those escaping the clutches of being poor actually end up paying it. The rich just don't.

I would get rid of both cgt and inheritance tax and simply tax property and other assets on an annual basis...on the basis that most of the increase comes from ultra loose monetary policy or other people's efforts in the first place.

So, basically, it would need a more rounded approach for ukip's suggestion to attract my vote.

The problem is that UKIP are highly unlikely to embrace LVT for the same reason that they want to abolish IT.

[@contradevian]

Wrong, the Young People's Party has a lot of stuff on their twitter and website about house prices and want a return to affordability.

To be fair to UKIP they say they back direct democracy / referendums so there would hopefully be an opportunity to influence housing policy.

Sadly that just means that a handful of existing NIMBY ho moanerz can prevent any local development.

[Pedro2706]

Does anyone actually pay it?

Most people must slip under the threshold and the rest largely avoid it through gifting etc.. no?

Not a very big deal either way I would have thought, but probably fairly sensible to do something with it (either scrap it or actually give it some teeth).

£3.4 billion 2013-2014 & rising according to official statistics.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/inheritance-tax-statistics-2010-to-2011

[olliegog]

interesting read on the Yorkshire devo debate.

my take is that city level government would not be acceptable

the regions defined for devolution must not be Prescotts idea which were roundly rejected by the NE ten years ago

the regions must be the equivalent of the current devolved governments not a quasi independent but not really level of local government

the funding share for each person in the 'new' regions must be the same across all devolved assemblies (whether Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales or Yorkshire/North of England) not different amounts for different regions. (no Barnett formula)

each region would decide how to allocate their share

the Westminster government would handle foreign relations, defence and the economy (no longer need 600+ MPs then)

it would take time to set it all up but needs to be planned for and timetabled regardless of who is in Government (not Broons slick 6 month timetable starting yesterday)

will it get done - who knows it needs firm political will rather than political short-termism.

[Guest_northshore_*]

UKIP are just going to see the Tories appease and pander to the boomer/pensioner vote more. That's a step backwards not a step forward in most cases.

Yeah this. The idea of voting for ukip as a protest vote isn't logical.

They're not the socialist workers party or the libertarian party or the georgist party. It's likely that in order to pander to any lost electorate policies on a local and national scale will become increasingly tailored towards the nimby arm of the conservative party, which is what ukip seem to amount to.

That means in addition to maybe influencing immigration and the EU (where I have some sympathies but it's not my major concern), there will also be influence on everything else.

Their housing minister appears to be a slum landlord who rents to immigrants ffs. This forum's been around for a while with a multitude of people joining the dots on economics, policy and society. We all know how integral housing, specifically land, is to everything. Yet ukip is touted as a serious alternative. I don't get that at all.

Call me old fashined but I'm not going to vote for a party I wouldn't want to win, even if that means voting for none of them.

[Guest]

Abolish inheritance tax and the children of the rich will inevitably be rich themselves. Today's landlords the new aristocracy, and the renters the new serfs, forever.

The UK already has the lowest social mobility of any OECD country.

It's hard to think of a fairer tax than one you don't pay until you don't need the money any more.

[R K]

Good idea.

Only those escaping the clutches of being poor actually end up paying it. The rich just don't.

I would get rid of both cgt and inheritance tax and simply tax property and other assets on an annual basis...on the basis that most of the increase comes from ultra loose monetary policy or other people's efforts in the first place.

So, basically, it would need a more rounded approach for ukip's suggestion to attract my vote.

The rich don't pay property taxes either.

It's not the taxes that are the problem, it's the legislature that creates the loopholes and the completely bent accountanty and legal professions that exist to serve them.

[Billy soy]

I've read today that snp membership has now overtaken libdems and has 3rd largest membership in uk. In a time when party membership is generally declining. We also have the 45 group who are not accepting that scottish independence has been settled for a generation. I'm sensing a bottom up grass roots movement up here in scotland. For the record I voted yes just for the hell of it and as a protest against westminster and the staus quo.

I'm also feeling that dissatisfaction with westminster is unprecedented and growing which suits me as I've felt like an outsider in that respect for a while now.

Watching with interest how party politics in uk are going regarding liblabcon..

What else can one do but watch the deckchairs being rearranged as the uk ship goes down? My own perspective is a sort of resigned amusement that at least the liblabcon goons in westminster are probably having some sleepless nights that the uk population might vote for someone else but them.

The SNP have more members than lib dems and UKIP now?

If so that is pretty impressive. Looks like the nationalism is making a comeback.

[gf3]

Call me old fashined but I'm not going to vote for a party I wouldn't want to win, even if that means voting for none of them.

What you said seems logical up to this point. I am voting UKIP out of desperation. I also think we aren't going to solve Britains house problem when we import 250,000 people a year. I have gone right off multiculturalism and think when in Rome do as the Romans do isn't racist.