The Masked Tulip Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Exit polls were pretty accurate. Now the Devo Max squabbling starts... I give it a week before we open a tabloid to read that some Scot has renamed himself Devo Max by deed poll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The issue of 'Home Rule for England,' and federalism is going to last for years, well beyond the next election. Yes, I only meant Cameron has no hope of resolving it to get a clear run at an election campaign imo. It will dog him throughout imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The Devo Max timetable as specified by Brown On 19 September we will start bringing into law the new, stronger Scottish Parliament, and to secure the change we want we will work with the other parties. The Scottish people will expect nothing less, not only because that is the right thing to do, but because we need an agreed timetable with deadlines for delivery and a roadmap to our goal. Last week I spoke to the Speaker of the House of Commons and requested a parliamentary debate for the first week to bring the issues to the House of Commons at the earliest opportunity. He has promised me his answer by Wednesday. But I think it is right anyway that on its first week back the House of Commons agrees a motion to set a new Scotland Act in train I hope this can be agreed. But even though we are not in power, Labour is now taking the initiative proposing a timetable for strengthening the Scottish Parliament It is this: by the end of October, just over five weeks after the referendum, we seek a command paper that sets out all the plans, including the agreed ground that unites us, and the issues that need to be resolved. By the end of November, we seek Heads of Agreement on a new Scotland Act published in a White Paper, or its equivalent, will report back on an intensive month of consultation with Scottish civic society and with the groups who were engaged in talks during Scottish Constitutional convention, who like the Scottish Parliament, will be able to scrutinise and challenge the proposals. By the end of January 2015,we seek draft clauses ready for legislative enactment as the new Scotland Bill and Scotland Act. I want to see draft clauses giving effect to these policies as soon as possible because I want legislation to happen as soon as possible. And from November to January we would continue to consult the Scottish Parliament. They will have to get a move on today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Besides, what weight does a pledge from Cameron, Clegg and Mili actually have? Two thirds of them will be out of a job by June for starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 There are some great headlines around the world - 'Scots vote to stay' is one. Where were they going? Some nats on the radio already talking about another referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 So - seems my initial thoughts that the yes voters were just a lot louder and more obvious than the no silent majority - was correct. Edinburgh results did surprise me BTW. If you went on what you saw or heard around the city - you would have thought it was a yes for easy 75% of the place. In fact the result was a massive no majority of 195k to 120k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corruption Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) I think it is fair to say that at its heart, the British are conservative with a small 'c'. Oh yes over 50% of GDP spent by the govt, the British are socialist with a big "S". Clearly you are politically illiterate like most in Britain to say such a thing. Edited September 19, 2014 by Corruption Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 A nat is now saying that the dreams of people in Wales has been wrecked. Oh, another nat issaying that the NO voters probably did not know what they voted for. Apparently it was for independence for Wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The Devo Max timetable as specified by Brown They will have to get a move on today. As a voter outside of Scotland, I don't recall anyone ever asking my permission to go down this road. Seems democracy is for Scots only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 So - seems my initial thoughts that the yes voters were just a lot louder and more obvious than the no silent majority - was correct. No - apparently the NO lot did not know what they voted for. Oh, the nat girl apparently said she would leave if there was a NO vote and was just asked if she was now going but apparently she has changed her mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliegog Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The Devo Max timetable as specified by Brown They will have to get a move on today. who is this 'broon' ? - is he in charge? see he got in 'the right thing to do' - waiting for him to say 'we saved the union' the Scottish question reminds me of a recalcitrant teenager who stamps his feet and threatens to leave home unless he gets what he wants - and the way to stand up to him is invariably - OK then go but don't expect the other members of the family to accept less so that you can get more. words fail me - Cameron needs to stand up to bullies and show a bit of backbone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) I hope that this does truly kick all our politicians up the backside and they truly realise that we came so close to splitting up our great country. There has to be radical change now. We are stronger together but all of us outside of London and the Home Counties cannot continue to be impoverished just so that London can prosper at our expense. The UK economy needs to be rebalanced out from London to all corners of this Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If that happens then Alex Salmond and those who voted YES will have done the UK a great service. We all can benefit from this and benefit as one people. Edited September 19, 2014 by The Masked Tulip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 No - apparently the NO lot did not know what they voted for. Oh, the nat girl apparently said she would leave if there was a NO vote and was just asked if she was now going but apparently she has changed her mind. A lot of the yes voters are just a bit naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 If 16 and 17 years had not been allowed to vote what would the result have been? A much bigger NO majority? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 England being promised devolution. It will get Balkanisation of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Hmm, BBC News just reported the result as 75% of the country rejecting the independence vote. Is that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneyfornothing Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 who is this 'broon' ? - is he in charge? see he got in 'the right thing to do' - waiting for him to say 'we saved the union' the Scottish question reminds me of a recalcitrant teenager who stamps his feet and threatens to leave home unless he gets what he wants - and the way to stand up to him is invariably - OK then go but don't expect the other members of the family to accept less so that you can get more. words fail me - Cameron needs to stand up to bullies and show a bit of backbone. nobody has the spine to say it like it is in the country anymore .. A few smart alecks thought they were special and could scoot off with prize national assets to create a welfare utopia and spunk it up the wall on themselves.. They will stomp their feet for sure.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Banker on radio talking about November rate rise - said that February was definitely on but November now looks very likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 nobody has the spine to say it like it is in the country anymore .. A few smart alecks thought they were special and could scoot off with prize national assets to create a welfare utopia and spunk it up the wall on themselves.. They will stomp their feet for sure.. Welfare utopia only exists for banks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Hmm, BBC News just reported the result as 75% of the country rejecting the independence vote. Is that right? 55% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy soy Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I hope that this does truly kick all our politicians up the backside and they truly realise that we came so close to splitting up our great country. There has to be radical change now. We are stronger together but all of us outside of London and the Home Counties cannot continue to be impoverished just so that London can prosper at our expense. The UK economy needs to be rebalanced out from London to all corners of this Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If that happens then Alex Salmond and those who voted YES will have done the UK a great service. We all can benefit from this and benefit as one people.You would hope that, but I would expect Cameron to take it and promote it as as a huge endorsement of way things are run. Certainly the over 55's seem to agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 55% A testament to how strong propaganda is and how close Scotland came to freeing us all from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 You would hope that, but I would expect Cameron to take it and promote it as as a huge endorsement of way things are run. Certainly the over 55's seem to agree. 16 and 17 year olds were evenly split, so you can't attribute this result to the over 55s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 A testament to how strong propaganda is and how close Scotland came to freeing us all from it. Yes, they were so near to the freedom of a Bantustan dominated by a foreign currency and the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Remember days ago on this thread when folk were talking about how nobody voted Tory in Scotland ? And I corrected them on a few occasions by pointing out that circa 20% of Scots vote for them on a regular basis ? Just read an interesting point elsewhere. Every single time Salmond and sturgeon were on TV they made the same point - vote yes and you will never again get the Tory government none of us voted for. They instantly ensured 20% of the populace wouldn't be voting yes. They basically insulted them. Waving goodbye to 20% of your voters when you need 51% is in hindsight - a ******ing dumb thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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