zugzwang Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Worth re-posting this inadvertent admission here. In hindsight, Straw's lies actually reveal a deeper truth! "Unless we all start to believe in conspiracy theories and that the officials are lying, that I am lying, that behind this there is some kind of secret state which is in league with some dark forces in the United States, and also let me say, we believe that Secretary Rice is lying, there simply is no truth in the claims that the United Kingdom has been involved in rendition full stop." Jack Straw, lying to the Commons foreign affairs committee in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Woods? Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 We can see why the US economy is totally...well...US this guy, earns $200K for doing network security. No. He earns $100k for network security, and $100k not to rock the boat. Apparently this wasn't enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Woods? Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 I think where one danger comes in now is how they can connect the dots - i.e. they can go back over years of your surfing and discover that you have been visiting those porn/gay/bdsm/fetish sites* (* delete as appropriate) and then they could hold that info over you if, for example, you were an MP about to expose something in Parliament... or a journalist with a story... or a judge... or a senior executive in a major coporation, etc. Even simple things - i.e. you are a closet homosexual and have been visiting perfectly legitimate gay websites, reading gay erotica, viewing gay imagery, etc, but because society treats anything sexual as scandalous knowledge of your private life, even though you have kept it privately and have not broken any laws, could be enough to intimidate you into making decisions that TPTB want made. For example, you could be a prominent TV presenter hosting a political discussion the week before an election and you are basically threatened with your private life exposed, and your career wrecked, if you do not go soft on such and such a PM candidate. Heck, one of us could end up in Government one day in charge of housing policy and, 20 years from now, have a completely different view on housing... and then all our posts from HPC are suddenly leaked to the tabloids! This ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Woods? Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 So much truth is said in jest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkman Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 There's always one. Yeah, sorry I don't fit with your world view. People disagreeing with us is such a "distraction" isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 No doubt it is all in the interest of making us more 'secure' whatever that means. Of course it begs the question security for whom and from what precisely ? law breakers of course. Now we know who they are, we discover they were breaking the law for our safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Yeah, sorry I don't fit with your world view. People disagreeing with us is such a "distraction" isn't it? Heh, I wouldn't take any notice of my opinion about anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_FaFa!_* Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 The real story in the NSA scandal is the collapse of journalism Summary: A bombshell story published in the Washington Post this week alleged that the NSA had enlisted nine tech giants, including Microsoft, Google, Facebook, and Apple, in a massive program of online spying. Now the story is unraveling, and the Post has quietly changed key details. What went wrong? Within hours after the story broke, it had been amplified by other news agencies and tech websites and had inspired expressions of outrage over this invasion of privacy. And seven of the nine companies named issued categorical denials that they knew of or participated in any such program. And then a funny thing happened the next morning. If you followed the link to that story, you found a completely different story, nearly twice as long, with a slightly different headline. The new story wasn’t just expanded; it had been stripped of key details, with no acknowledgment of the changes. That updated version, time-stamped at 8:51 AM on June 7, backed off from key details in the original story. Crucially, the Post removed the “knowingly participated” language and also scrubbed a reference to the program as being “highly classified.” In addition, a detail in the opening graph that claimed the NSA could “track a person’s movements and contacts over time” was changed to read simply “track foreign targets.” And one more thing. In its original story, the Post calls the source of the documents "a career intelligence officer" who provided these materials "in order to expose what he believes to be a gross intrusion on privacy." We now know that the source was Edward Snowden, who was not an intelligence officer but an "infrastructure analyst" who had been in his current position with an external contractor for only three months. The "career intelligence officer" description seems exaggerated. http://www.zdnet.com/the-real-story-in-the-nsa-scandal-is-the-collapse-of-journalism-7000016570/ On Twitter, Greenwald defended his reporting by reiterating that the NSA said within the PRISM document that there has been “collection directly from the servers of these US service providers: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook…” But this could mean that the data was drawn from the servers, vetted and handed over to the NSA per Google’s stated process of legal vetting. And if the data was made available, it’s possible that the tech companies posted it on a server for the NSA analysts to download, just as you might download a file from work or a friend via Dropbox or an FTP server. Regardless, it seems as if Greenwald’s entire story hinges on a semantic interpretation of the PRISM language. And his mistake was to leap from “collection directly from servers” to “direct access.” Meanwhile, TechCrunch‘s Josh Constine reported on Saturday, “[T]he NSA did not have direct access or any special instant access to data or servers at the PRISM targets, but instead had to send requests to the companies for the data.” http://thedailybanter.com/2013/06/nsa-story-falling-apart-under-scrutiny-key-facts-turning-out-to-be-inaccurate/ What, one wonders, did Snowden think the N.S.A. did? Any marginally attentive citizen, much less N.S.A. employee or contractor, knows that the entire mission of the agency is to intercept electronic communications. Perhaps he thought that the N.S.A. operated only outside the United States; in that case, he hadn’t been paying very close attention. In any event, Snowden decided that he does not “want to live in a society” that intercepts private communications. His latter-day conversion is dubious. http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/06/edward-snowden-nsa-leaker-is-no-hero.html?currentPage=all Ho hum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 If I was the NSA, id be getting those spam filters working... all those excuses about not being able to stop spam, to stop criminal websites....all 100% BS. Now we know what they are doing, I DEMAND a stop to spam and criminal phishing sites.....right now. NSA...Go do something useful for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 And how much time is it going to take to process all this information. A terrorist with any competency isn't going to send an email stating bombing City on XXXX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 His girlfriend looks hot in her undies and stockings. Edit: typo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 His girlfriend looks hot in her undies and stockings. Edit: typo. No need for anyone else to replicate the googling I just did... Here is the NSA whistle blower’s alleged girlfriend Nope, no narcissism on display there. I'm not sure I'd dress like that to go to a 2yr old's birthday party tho' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Jason Bourne is already on a plane to Hong Kong. Man is matter. That is Snowden's secret. Drop him out a window and he'll fall. Set fire to him and he'll burn. Bury him and he'll rot, like other kinds of garbage. The spirit gone, man is garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 We can see why the US economy is totally...well...US this guy, earns $200K for doing network security. And even then, it turns out he was the security weakness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Are we not all Spartacus? I'm not Spartacus! I'm Happy Renting! That man over there is Spartacus! *Stands up and helpfully points out the real Spartacus* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 No need for anyone else to replicate the googling I just did... Here is the NSA whistle blower’s alleged girlfriend Nope, no narcissism on display there. I'm not sure I'd dress like that to go to a 2yr old's birthday party tho' Hmm, interesting. The Daily Mail chose to print different photos. All interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 I'm not Spartacus! I'm Happy Renting! That man over there is Spartacus! *Stands up and helpfully points out the real Spartacus* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Of course, the law says to phone tap a warrant is required. I guess if you trawl everyone, then as it is not a special case if YOURS is tapped, as they do it to all, then the need for a warrant is circumvented. In the UK the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 would make such trawling of communications within the UK illegal without a warrant from the Secretary of State. No Court can issue a warrant. I see nothing ROIPA that technically forbids the Government to trawl communications, though in theory the Secretary of State should authorise interceptions on a case-by-case basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 In the UK the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 would make such trawling of communications within the UK illegal without a warrant from the Secretary of State. No Court can issue a warrant. I see nothing ROIPA that technically forbids the Government to trawl communications, though in theory the Secretary of State should authorise interceptions on a case-by-case basis. of course, as for the time, the duration and destination of all your phone calls, all the agencies need is a copy of your phone bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 of course, as for the time, the duration and destination of all your phone calls, all the agencies need is a copy of your phone bill. I feel really, really sorry for whatever bit of hardware is monitoring my activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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callaght Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Hahaha!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Sales Of George Orwell's 1984 Have Surged 6884% In The Last 24 Hours In the last 24 hours, sales of the 'big brother' book 1984 on Amazon.com have soared by almost 7000% http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-11/sales-george-orwells-1984-have-surged-6884-last-24-hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Sales Of George Orwell's 1984 Have Surged 6884% In The Last 24 Hours In the last 24 hours, sales of the 'big brother' book 1984 on Amazon.com have soared by almost 7000% http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-11/sales-george-orwells-1984-have-surged-6884-last-24-hours I'd be checking carefully to make sure the kindle version and the paper version still match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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