Tiger Woods? Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 NSA whistleblower reveals himself and here is the full story from the Guardian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Young? Naive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Brave. Seems to have done it for the right reasons. His life has now changed forever. THEY will not like it one bit. If a thousand people did what he did, we'd be getting somewhere. I am Spartacus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Eagle Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 A real 21st century hero, just like Bradley Manning. These are real heroes, unlike those army men fighting for the interests of corporations and the 'elite' in Iraq and Afghanistan (they are just cannon fodder and the sad thing is they don't even realise it)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Woods? Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 Young? Naive? In the video interview, he comes across as understanding what the likely repercussions for himself are. I don't get the feeling he has done this on a whim. Much less naive than Manning, hence I think this act was very brave. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have had the guts to do it. He has, I suspect, completely f****d his life though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Brave. Seems to have done it for the right reasons. His life has now changed forever. THEY will not like it one bit. If a thousand people did what he did, we'd be getting somewhere. I am Spartacus. Are we not all Spartacus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkman Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Young? Naive? Both. I hope he enjoys his moment of fame because it will be brief. Maybe he did the right thing, maybe not. But I have serious reservations about anyone who can't be trusted with information. He bit the hand that fed him. If he didn't like what he was doing, he should have quit and/or approached a politician to represent his views somehow. I don't know. I just don't understand someone throwing their life away on a single issue. And he's efffectively defected to China, hardly a bastion of democracy. Oh the irony. I think you have to pick a side, hopefully the right one with the fairest politics. He chose China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 He nows faces a life on the run or a life in one of those hellish US Federal prisons. The US will not give up pursuing him and he will have to seek sanctuary in a country who, he might discover, will demand a high price from him in his personal freedom and secrets just to allow him to stay out of US hands. I fear that lots of young Americans are brainwashed in school about the revolutionary war and then they get further brainwashed by all these right wing blogs warning that American freedoms, supposedly won in that war, are now being taken by the US govt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Woods? Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 Maybe he did the right thing, maybe not. But I have serious reservations about anyone who can't be trusted with information. He bit the hand that fed him. You mean like Verizon, AT&T, Google, Facebook and the US Government? Last I checked private citizens were the ones feeding those public hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainlessSteelCat Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Both. I hope he enjoys his moment of fame because it will be brief. Maybe he did the right thing, maybe not. But I have serious reservations about anyone who can't be trusted with information. He bit the hand that fed him. If he didn't like what he was doing, he should have quit and/or approached a politician to represent his views somehow. I don't know. I just don't understand someone throwing their life away on a single issue. And he's efffectively defected to China, hardly a bastion of democracy. Oh the irony. I think you have to pick a side, hopefully the right one with the fairest politics. He chose China. Plenty of other committed people spend their entire life campaigning on something. And thank goodness they do. Most of what we consider to be rights are nothing more than reforms hard won by dedicated people. For some, sadly their lives have been cut short by the very same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHERWICK Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 He nows faces a life on the run or a life in one of those hellish US Federal prisons. The US will not give up pursuing him and he will have to seek sanctuary in a country who, he might discover, will demand a high price from him in his personal freedom and secrets just to allow him to stay out of US hands. I fear that lots of young Americans are brainwashed in school about the revolutionary war and then they get further brainwashed by all these right wing blogs warning that American freedoms, supposedly won in that war, are now being taken by the US govt. Completely agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHERWICK Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 He nows faces a life on the run or a life in one of those hellish US Federal prisons. The US will not give up pursuing him and he will have to seek sanctuary in a country who, he might discover, will demand a high price from him in his personal freedom and secrets just to allow him to stay out of US hands. I fear that lots of young Americans are brainwashed in school about the revolutionary war and then they get further brainwashed by all these right wing blogs warning that American freedoms, supposedly won in that war, are now being taken by the US govt. Completely agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Both. I hope he enjoys his moment of fame because it will be brief. Maybe he did the right thing, maybe not. But I have serious reservations about anyone who can't be trusted with information. He bit the hand that fed him. If he didn't like what he was doing, he should have quit and/or approached a politician to represent his views somehow. I don't know. I just don't understand someone throwing their life away on a single issue. And he's efffectively defected to China, hardly a bastion of democracy. Oh the irony. I think you have to pick a side, hopefully the right one with the fairest politics. He chose China. There's always one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 We can see why the US economy is totally...well...US this guy, earns $200K for doing network security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snafu Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Respect to this guy. This is some personal sacrifice he's done. Wow. In Swedish the word is "Civilkurage" which doesnt' seem to have an appropriate English translation - but "displaying courage (without considering personal safety necessarily) to the benefit of the civil society" would probably be about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Anyone fancy a job in Hawaii? http://careers.boozallen.com/job/Honolulu-Information-Security-Engineer%2C-Mid-Job-HI-96801/2280056/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Respect to this guy. This is some personal sacrifice he's done. Wow. In Swedish the word is "Civilkurage" which doesnt' seem to have an appropriate English translation - but "displaying courage (without considering personal safety necessarily) to the benefit of the civil society" would probably be about right. It is a distinclty human trait in dire situations where the tribe is in immediate danger...throwing oneself on a grenade, taking the blame for a child. It is much rarer when the general society is at risk...the person doing it has to look past his immediate surroundings and see the upcoming danger. In other words, it takes a strong case of morality. Few do it....hence the rise of Tyrants from time to time. And the $200K.....quite a thing to give up...imagine what his line managers were being paid, let alone the cleaners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 So... The CIA got someone drunk once And the NSA sometimes oversteps the mark in its enthusiasm to protect US citizens from terrists; rolling out technology that anyone with the slightest interest in these things already knew about A crisp £5 says the Chinese government won't bite. Others might, and apparently already have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 "law abiding citizens have nothing to fear" British foreign secretary. Coming from the Eton fruit loops authorising access to our personal data that's scary. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22832263 "Law-abiding" citizens have "nothing to fear" from the British intelligence services, the foreign secretary says. William Hague said reports that the UK's eavesdropping centre GCHQ had circumvented the law to gather data on British citizens were "nonsense". But he refused to confirm or deny claims GCHQ has had access to a US spy programme called Prism since June 2010. He doesn't specify which laws he's talking about. Driving for longer than 30 seconds in the middle lane I'd imagine............ May as well just accept that British govt, and thus US govt and thus most likely Chinese govt can already access everyone's personal communications whenever they wish to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashedOutAndBurned Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 The only reason plebs have any freedom at all is because through history people putting their head over the parapet. It's a bit unfocused but, globally, people are really sick of governments, banks, war machines, surveillance and realise that most of the time people people rub along just fine without this crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 "law abiding citizens have nothing to fear" British foreign secretary. Coming from the Eton fruit loops authorising access to our personal data that's scary. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22832263 He doesn't specify which laws he's talking about. Driving for longer than 30 seconds in the middle lane I'd imagine............ May as well just accept that British govt, and thus US govt and thus most likely Chinese govt can already access everyone's personal communications whenever they wish to. Of course, the law says to phone tap a warrant is required. I guess if you trawl everyone, then as it is not a special case if YOURS is tapped, as they do it to all, then the need for a warrant is circumvented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Of course, the law says to phone tap a warrant is required. I guess if you trawl everyone, then as it is not a special case if YOURS is tapped, as they do it to all, then the need for a warrant is circumvented. It puts the News of the World scandal into perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saver Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Plenty of other committed people spend their entire life campaigning on something. And thank goodness they do. Won't it be quite hard to campaign from a high security jail? The people they like least are kept in solitary 23 hours a day with no human or other contact allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 It puts the News of the World scandal into perspective. "law abiding citizens have nothing to fear" wot...from lawbreakers? This government is soon to end...its garbage spouted like this that signals to end of the peoples tolerance to BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_FaFa!_* Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 A crisp £5 says the Chinese government won't bite. Others might, and apparently already have The choice of Hong Kong is bizarre, I don't understand it. Chinese interference in Hong Kong freedoms is well known and they are certainly not above hiring gangsters to silence people in Hong Kong. It would be interesting to know the response of the Chinese public to extradition to the US, but I'd imagine the Chinese government will see no real benefit to keeping him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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