papag Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 WTF tip of iceberg or benefits office oversight , one thing for certain I'm sick to the teeth reading examples like this on a regular basis http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/293589/Family-s-106-000-a-year-benefit-just-to-pay-rent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) WTF tip of iceberg or benefits office oversight , one thing for certain I'm sick to the teeth reading examples like this on a regular basis http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/293589/Family-s-106-000-a-year-benefit-just-to-pay-rent That should be stopped. Housing benefit should be renamed Land Lord benefit. Edited January 5, 2012 by TheCountOfNowhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 At this level anyone getting this amount of money will never ever work. They'd never get a job that would give them the cash to fork out this on rent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarman001 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I'm sick of hearing 'hard working families'. Just another sound-bite which sounds good. What about 'hard working singles'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackgoose Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hundreds of other scroungers are understood to have raked in similar sums to allow them to live in properties that most hard-working families could never dream of inhabiting. Instead of just calling the people living there scroungers, they should call the landlords scroungers too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repetitive bleats Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 props to the express and their readership for willfully ignoring the cause and effect of increasing house prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I'm sick of hearing 'hard working families'. Just another sound-bite which sounds good. What about 'hard working singles'? Politicians couldn't care less about under 35s because the majority of the electorate is over 40. The use of "families" instead of "people" is a subtle admission of this fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Are benefits not capped at £500pw now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicestersq Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 The only way to end the scams is to end the schemes. Replace all benefits with a negative income tax or citizens income. No child related benefits. Introduce a progressive land value tax and end SMI, end the requirement for builders to build social housing, and sell off all council housing and end subsidies to housing associations. The market will then be left to allocate housing and people will get the housing that they deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 If it's Westminster council then they said "oh it's only about 50 families on this level" ONLY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tricksters Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Politicians couldn't care less about under 35s because the majority of the electorate is over 40. The use of "families" instead of "people" is a subtle admission of this fact. I think it was Gordon Brown who initiated this phoney and silly cliche in an effort to ingratiate himself with core electorate. Much good it did him. Since then, I've heard Cameron use the term as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Employed Youth Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Income is pre determined by household size, age and geographical location. With me turning 25 this year I get a very big pay rise, it will outstrip inflation for sure! Just a shame I was penalised in the first place. Onwards and upwards eh, you can reach pension credit age too one day! You can claim pension credit at the age woman retire, even if your a bloke. So labour had effectively reduced retirement age to 60 for men. The funny thing is, when you get to retirement age they up your tax allowance, right when thy decrease your incentive to work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papag Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 God knows how much in total this family/woman is getting out of the system one can only guess at around 150k per year tax free, would like to know exactly how much she or her partner has contributed during their stay on Treasure Island :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopGun Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 God knows how much in total this family/woman's landlord is getting out of the system one can only guess at around 150k per year tax free, would like to know exactly how much she or her partner has contributed during their stay on Treasure Island :angry: Corrected for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickwall Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 my brother was diagnosed with mental illness (bipolar) some years back he gets benefits housing +incapacity ,the paranoia and depression that he suffers even with medication prevents him from going out and socializing so he doesn't spend much ,this is a good thing because the house he rents costs £480 per month he pays £70 towards this housing benefit pay the difference of £410. in his better days he worked as a 1st and 2nd fix carpenter and payed tax every year. he is British and looking for a place in st johns wood please CAN YOU FIX IT FOR HIM JIM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveat Mortgagor Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Such a huge figure that the OP got the numbers muddled up in the thread title. Thats not a dig at the OP, its a reflection of the enormity and absurdity of HB. How can we as a country give such vast sums away and believe we are helping claimants (who will never come off benefits and maintain such a lifestyle) or the taxpayer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englebert Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Sorry, I do not read anything by the Express....would not trust anything in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symo Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 God knows how much in total this family/woman is getting out of the system one can only guess at around 150k per year tax free, would like to know exactly how much she or her partner has contributed during their stay on Treasure Island :angry: It is not treasure island just the remnants of the Blair/Brown fantasy island. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I think it was Gordon Brown who initiated this phoney and silly cliche in an effort to ingratiate himself with core electorate. Much good it did him. Since then, I've heard Cameron use the term as well. Pretty sure Clinton was doing it long before Brown. Much of New Labour was modelled on the New Democrats. They also pioneered tax credits for low paid workers with children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 That should be stopped. Housing benefit should be renamed Land Lord benefit. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crash2006 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) I think what every should be looking at is WHY, not omg etc... the reason why they are paid so much is one simple thing, the lack of social homes, specially the lack of council run homes. Its the governments fault not the peoples, the government under Labour and conservatives said if we privatize housing it'll be cheaper, yer cheaper for who? the problem is each government can do what ever they want to, knowing full well there is no comeback in the future. British governments need to be held accountable. No social homes = higher rents= state dependance= less economic activity= long term recession. The economy all comes down to cheap housing for workers. Edited January 5, 2012 by crash2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffneck Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Unemployed Somali couple with 7 kids complain about living in poor area? When will people wake up and vote UKIP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britney's Piers Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) I'm sick of hearing 'hard working families'. Just another sound-bite which sounds good. What about 'hard working singles'? They would come under the designation of "cash cow". I heard the interview on the radio yesterday about HB, and the BBC were propagandizing about families living on the street and so on. The expert being interviewed then claimed that families are disproportionately hit as they have more members, and that ethnic families are even more disproportionately hit because they have more children than whites. Errr, surely then they are being proportionately hit, or maybe he thinks singles should live in hostels while these massive ethnic families keep their 6 bedroom house. Edited January 5, 2012 by Britney's Piers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Floating World Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 The article states that there are four families in central London who have received the maximum LHA rate for some period during the 2010/11 financial year. Since April 2011 the five bedroom LHA rate has been abolished and a cap of £400.00 per week has been placed on 4 bedroom LHA rates. As only four families ever received the maximum 5 bed LHA rate I would suggest that the issue has been over reported for the effect it has on shifting the debate away the majority of ordinary bog standard claims which will be less than £100.00 per week. The four families concerned were most likely housed on a temporary basis in these properties by the Local Authority homelessness service discharging it's statutory duty to house a homeless family presenting a genuine need. Due to the cap the central London LA's will now presumably be either shipping out homeless cases to outer boroughs, or if required to house within borough absorbing shortfalls between private rents and HB from their own budgets on a very short term basis. As an earlier poster noted, if central London LA's constructed any social housing in the last thirty years this would not have been happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papag Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) Corrected for you. true as well Edited January 5, 2012 by papag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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