redgenieuk Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 could the snake move overseas to get round this copyright BS. Stick the server in gibraltar or somewhere like china. Or if you are pulling the pages over http, proxy the connection :0) so all the connections come from different IP's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellsbells Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Oh no - a few weeks ago 26 properties listed in my postcode, went down to 8 when all the rightmove info got taken out, this morning it is down to only 4, with the total number of properties listed down from 80,000+ yesterday to 40,000 today - what has happened now???? I love this website, it's such a shame!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredEitherWay Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Oh no - a few weeks ago 26 properties listed in my postcode, went down to 8 when all the rightmove info got taken out, this morning it is down to only 4, with the total number of properties listed down from 80,000+ yesterday to 40,000 today - what has happened now???? I love this website, it's such a shame!!! Yeah, I came to this thread/discussion to find out which EA/group had got p155y about it. Somebody's said "No" to propertysnake again. Pity. Wonder which one it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_duke_of_hazzard Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Yeah, I came to this thread/discussion to find out which EA/group had got p155y about it. Somebody's said "No" to propertysnake again. Pity. Wonder which one it is. findaproperty most likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredEitherWay Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 findaproperty most likely Not sure how they work, but I suspected them at first, so I did a search and straight away found some findaproperty entries. So unless they are a franchise with each office deciding, it's not them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_duke_of_hazzard Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Not sure how they work, but I suspected them at first, so I did a search and straight away found some findaproperty entries. So unless they are a franchise with each office deciding, it's not them. hmmm, well fap seem to have disappeared from se24 i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucks hopeful Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 hmmm, well fap seem to have disappeared from se24 i think. Likewise in my area - not checked every one, but on various samples can only see "propertyfinder" entries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredEitherWay Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Ah ... my mistake I think. I was confusing the two - their names being so similar. Yes, PropertyFinder exists, can't find any FindAProperty entries Oh well, it's still an indicator - not sure what of though as those are reductions, but it would still need to be compared over time along with the figures of: total listed, withdrawn, flogged. Shame they're being p155y about it. If anything, it could do them a favour as people will be tempted by the discounts. It won't just be "the likes of us" using it. Or believing there will be any falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomberbrown Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Yup! Looks like findaproperty.com entries have been removed. This sucks big time!!! :angry: Why don't they just host this website in one of them countries that they can't touch you with any litigation crap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1632656 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) If they are so scared of being taken to court... Why not sell/give away their website (code/technology) to as many people as possible and flood the market with property scrapping / price drop sites. imho, rightmove and fap would have little success in threatening everybody. Edited July 19, 2007 by studdymx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzzzzzz Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) Should this thread be pinned? Seems a bit redundant, doesn't it? Edited July 19, 2007 by Baz63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Bear Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 As I understand it the issue PS are having trouble with is the database right. This is esentially an EU only right. It is not something that is subject to multi-national agreements such as Berne/Paris/WIPO conventions. As such it could easily be hosted in another country, even the US, and I would have though there would be some foreign domiciled readers of these boards who could help out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montymoore Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 As I understand it the issue PS are having trouble with is the database right. This is esentially an EU only right. It is not something that is subject to multi-national agreements such as Berne/Paris/WIPO conventions.As such it could easily be hosted in another country, even the US, and I would have though there would be some foreign domiciled readers of these boards who could help out. Not that easy as Rightmove / property finder etc could ban the IP range accessing their websites with a fairly basic firewall config Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yerman Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Not that easy as Rightmove / property finder etc could ban the IP range accessing their websites with a fairly basic firewall config Do it through an AOL proxy. They use proxies in front of proxies. Only way to do it would be to block everyone on AOL and that ain't going to happen :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskoka Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 PS I believe are working to overcome these problems, so keep your eyes open folks over the next few weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uro_who Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I hope they get it sorted, its a brilliant resource, so much so that I offered some cash to keep it running (and I'm seriously tight). I agree it is a benefit for the agents, what's the purpose of reducing a property if not to attract more sellers, hence the new price sticker on the adverts. Can surely only help to increase volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uro_who Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I've just emailed rightmove to tell them how much it benefitted their own traffic and service and requested that they lay off PS. Might be good if some others could join in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskoka Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Excellent idea. I will email Rightmove & second your comments. I also offered a subscription to PS as I feel its such a valuable resource. I believe they are optimistic, so lets keep hoping! Considering over 35000 people have reaad this thread, if they all emailed RM, thats surely got to make them sit up & take notice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1632656 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 (edited) Excellent idea. I will email Rightmove & second your comments. I also offered a subscription to PS as I feel its such a valuable resource. I believe they are optimistic, so lets keep hoping! Considering over 35000 people have reaad this thread, if they all emailed RM, thats surely got to make them sit up & take notice I'll second that! For those interested, rightmove's email address is: talk-to-us@rightmove.co.uk Edited July 20, 2007 by studdymx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se7ensport Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 I'll second that! For those interested, rightmove's email address is: talk-to-us@rightmove.co.uk 3rded and mailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredEitherWay Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 (and I'm seriously tight). I like you. A lot. There's nothing wrong with being tight. People say it like it's a bad thing, but it is exercising strict control on what you are prepared to exchange your hard earned cash for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uro_who Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Just had a reply; Thank you for your email regarding property snake. We were asked to stop allowing property snake using our data by a number of our member agents. Estate agents and new home builders retain full copyright over the photos and details uploaded to us as part of our contract with them. We are obliged to protect this copyright and take all reasonable steps to ensure the copyright is not breached. We are looking at adding a similar feature to our site in the future along with some different search options. Regards, Peter Brooks-Johnson Product Director. Makes you wonder what the tipping point is? How about just postcode and price reduction +/- bedrooms. At what point does it become theft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaruar Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Just had a reply;Thank you for your email regarding property snake. We were asked to stop allowing property snake using our data by a number of our member agents. Estate agents and new home builders retain full copyright over the photos and details uploaded to us as part of our contract with them. We are obliged to protect this copyright and take all reasonable steps to ensure the copyright is not breached. We are looking at adding a similar feature to our site in the future along with some different search options. Regards, Peter Brooks-Johnson Product Director. Makes you wonder what the tipping point is? How about just postcode and price reduction +/- bedrooms. At what point does it become theft? There is nothing to stop them using basic information and no photos, alghough i think they might even be allowed to use thumbnails under fair use in the same way that google do with their image search. price data is in the public domain if it's published. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredEitherWay Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Copyright would refer to the photos. So if they were removed it would be OK (although it would mean more effort for the likes of you/I to look at what sort of properties were reduced). The fact a house has X number of bedrooms and is for sale at £X is in the public domain. As is the postcode of a house. So simple listings would not breach copyright. As for retaining the date/price information to show when it came onto the market and when it was reduced - that would be the grey area. But I'd stick with the fact that the information was in the public domain - and even under (what I understand to be) copyright laws, as this is a miniscule proportion of the original details it couldn't be counted. So take the photos out and job's a good 'un in my book. Personally, seeing the properties reduced/for sale gives me a perceived sense of bargain/value that it is hard to walk away from. I bet ultimately I'd be more likely to buy a house via a link on propertysnake than one I'd trawled all the way through EA sites to find. Just that "sense of a bargain" - even though I know the property must have been overpriced to start with .... you've gotta love a "bargain". So I'd say, on the balance of things, propertysnake is a good sales vehicle that should not be underestimated by the individual EAs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_duke_of_hazzard Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I think you're wrong. The law (basically) disallows the copying of a database that takes effort to collect and maintain. Copyright would refer to the photos. So if they were removed it would be OK (although it would mean more effort for the likes of you/I to look at what sort of properties were reduced).The fact a house has X number of bedrooms and is for sale at £X is in the public domain. As is the postcode of a house. So simple listings would not breach copyright. As for retaining the date/price information to show when it came onto the market and when it was reduced - that would be the grey area. But I'd stick with the fact that the information was in the public domain - and even under (what I understand to be) copyright laws, as this is a miniscule proportion of the original details it couldn't be counted. So take the photos out and job's a good 'un in my book. Personally, seeing the properties reduced/for sale gives me a perceived sense of bargain/value that it is hard to walk away from. I bet ultimately I'd be more likely to buy a house via a link on propertysnake than one I'd trawled all the way through EA sites to find. Just that "sense of a bargain" - even though I know the property must have been overpriced to start with .... you've gotta love a "bargain". So I'd say, on the balance of things, propertysnake is a good sales vehicle that should not be underestimated by the individual EAs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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