FANG Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) The ONS issued a national population projection last month, Predicting that nearly 14million people will move to the UK between 2021 and 2036. That is more than the present-day population of Greater London, Greater Manchester and Birmingham combined. Where are all these people going to live and property prices will remain high to meet the demand. This is a very worrying article that spells more misery for the UK. So just budge up and squeeze a few more in. We need to talk about immigration - spiked (spiked-online.com) Edited February 20 by FANG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewy Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Might as well buy a house and several BLTs now if that is the way it is going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Housepricecrash91 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 I remember the days when questioning immigration led to you being branded a racist. Nowadays, it's pretty much openly discussed as something that needs to be addressed pretty sharpish. Funny how things change! I guess the whole 'immigration isn't an issue' position died when public services went to shit, housing became unaffordable and wages stagnated...Not to mention when we started importing criminals and unskilled labour from EE and the third world. Just to be clear, I'm not anti immigration and I have never labelled anyone racist for saying immigration is too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Teardrop Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Immigration is good when GDP per capita increases. It isnt so good when GDP per capita decreases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Roady Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 the flip side to this is that when the wheels come off the uk economy and their home economies out pace us, huge swathes will return and leave the uk in an even worse state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 48 minutes ago, Housepricecrash91 said: Nowadays, it's pretty much openly discussed as something that needs to be addressed pretty sharpish. Funny how things change! I guess the whole 'immigration isn't an issue' position died when public services went to shit, housing became unaffordable and wages stagnated...Not to mention when we started importing criminals and unskilled labour from EE and the third world. But, nothing will be done because it is not that simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANG Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 8 minutes ago, Roman Roady said: the flip side to this is that when the wheels come off the uk economy and their home economies out pace us, huge swathes will return and leave the uk in an even worse state. I think that is happening now and a lot of them still get paid their UK benefits whilst they spend time in their countries of origin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 8 minutes ago, Roman Roady said: the flip side to this is that when the wheels come off the uk economy and their home economies out pace us, huge swathes will return and leave the uk in an even worse state. I am coming across a few Indians that I know that going to live in India, these are British Indians born and bred here in the UK some in their 50s rent the house out and you will live like a king there, I pulled one up about it he is 55/56 he said my dad died when he was 67 so I am no longer going to work I don’t need the latest iPhone I want a relaxing life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Canal Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 400K left last year. Over 1100K came in. To allow our Infrastructure to catch up ReformUK want to make it 400K out and 400K in. All other parties are committed to more coming in than leaving. As an Election is coming up.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btl_hater Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 The economy needs more Indian Deliveroo riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiltedjen Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 there is a baby bust going on. the ratio of retired to working age is becoming worse, and already talks of raising retirement age to 71 need someone to be paying taxes when we retire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cash Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 minutes ago, jiltedjen said: there is a baby bust going on. the ratio of retired to working age is becoming worse, and already talks of raising retirement age to 71 need someone to be paying taxes when we retire Cut pensions to the oldies. Tax them to the hilt. Why should the young subsidise your old age? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkG Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 12 minutes ago, jiltedjen said: need someone to be paying taxes when we retire Why would people who come to the UK for easy money want to pay taxes so British Boomers can have an easy life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitemice Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 3 hours ago, Housepricecrash91 said: I remember the days when questioning immigration led to you being branded a racist. It's not racist its numberist. Everyone in the UK thinks like this because government policy punishes areas that grow, via rationed housing, public services and traffic. Edited February 20 by whitemice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Sutton Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 3 minutes ago, MarkG said: Why would people who come to the UK for easy money want to pay taxes so British Boomers can have an easy life? Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie_George Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 We need to talk about mass deportations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbob Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 49 minutes ago, btl_hater said: The economy needs more Indian Deliveroo riders. The economy does not need Deliveroo full stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANG Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 32 minutes ago, Eddie_George said: We need to talk about mass deportations. Yes - Strip their assets and deport all Boomers to fund immigration I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 39 minutes ago, Eddie_George said: We need to talk about mass deportations. We depend on massive amounts of money coming here from dodgy countries, a sniff of that kind of behaviour and all that money will stop, sacrificing the working class so that the middle class can have a good standard of living does make sense, no point in both the working class and middle class not having a pot to piss in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Housepricecrash91 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Ireland is now talking about immigration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Housepricecrash91 said: Ireland is now talking about immigration Is N. Ireland also having these issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 5 hours ago, Housepricecrash91 said: I remember the days when questioning immigration led to you being branded a racist. Nowadays, it's pretty much openly discussed as something that needs to be addressed pretty sharpish. Funny how things change! I guess the whole 'immigration isn't an issue' position died when public services went to shit, housing became unaffordable and wages stagnated...Not to mention when we started importing criminals and unskilled labour from EE and the third world. Just to be clear, I'm not anti immigration and I have never labelled anyone racist for saying immigration is too high. I am a bit confused.......why if public services are now shit, property and rents so unaffordable, working conditions poor, wages low, do so many people want to come here......surely there must be better countries now could move to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual-observer Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 2 hours ago, jiltedjen said: there is a baby bust going on. the ratio of retired to working age is becoming worse, and already talks of raising retirement age to 71 need someone to be paying taxes when we retire But as pointed out if GDP isn't growing in line with immigration (which is happening) this alone isn't going to solve that problem. They're simply at this point throwing numbers at the problem and magically hoping somethings going to fix it. The UK needs serious reform alongside it which isn't forthcoming from two parties stuck in 1960 thinking. 5 hours ago, Roman Roady said: the flip side to this is that when the wheels come off the uk economy and their home economies out pace us, huge swathes will return and leave the uk in an even worse state. It will to a point but it won't fix the underlying trend. We're not really bringing in the skilled labour anymore, why would an educated well heeled Indian come to live in the UK anymore and leave behind a genuine growing economy at home offering better opportunity? By and large we're very very good at hoovering up other nations dross with nothing to lose back home and life here would have to become pretty goddam sh1t before they reach the conclusion they're better off returning home. We hoover up the numbers we do thanks by and large to a welfare state never designed for migrating hoards. It's cracking council budgets and it's going to crack the deficit in the absence of GDP growth. You can forget the Tories doing anything now, Labours about to be gifted the worlds sh1ttest handover. Edited February 20 by Casual-observer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie_George Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 4 hours ago, FANG said: Yes - Strip their assets and deport all Boomers to fund immigration I say. To let immigrants who don't work, and will get old themselves stay instead. That'll work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14stFlyer Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 9 hours ago, Housepricecrash91 said: I remember the days when questioning immigration led to you being branded a racist. Nowadays, it's pretty much openly discussed as something that needs to be addressed pretty sharpish. I personally think if you say something along the lines of “high levels of reciprocal migration good, high levels of net inward migration bad” it is very difficult to see this as racism. I remember having this discussion with some on the Brexit thread four years or so ago and being considered bigoted or racist at the time. But as you say, the effects that I was seeing in poorer towns in the midlands at the time are now clearer more widely across the U.K. and so there is a more widespread understanding of the need to control levels of net inward migration than there was at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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