Up the spout Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 hour ago, zugzwang said: The West clearly does not have the capacity to re-stock the Ukraine with weapons NATO Defence Spending - $1,200,000,000,000 US Defence Spending - $900,000,000,000 European Defence Spending - $240,000,000,000 ruZZian Defence Spending - $60,000,000,000 A budget one quarter of Europe's - and the war is in Europe, so there's no chance of Europeans forgetting about it. A budget one fifteenth of the olde enemy the United States of America. A budget one twentieth of NATO's. putler is outgunned, outplayed, outmanned, outsmarted, outbudgeted, and outfoxed. The demented midget's tin pot, dysfunctional, pariah, failed, terrorist entity has one skill, which is digging stuff up and selling it - a bit like Saudi Arabia except the KSA spends more on its defence budget, but still however misguided Saudis are they aren't about to take on NATO. No foetal alcohol syndrome sufferers there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 53 minutes ago, shlomo said: In my opinion British engineering is in decline, how many helicopter or tank building companies left. That's a moronic comment. Big tech like this favours conglomerates organisations. Hence why Russia merged sukhoi and mig. And Westland merged with Augusta to make Leonardo helicopters who still manufacture in the UK. 53 minutes ago, shlomo said: The biggest salesman for the F-35 is actually Putin Marketing the products Britain makes seems to be a big fault line Maybe countries want a relationship with the US not just a weapon system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 47 minutes ago, Si1 said: You're deflecting quite spectacularly. Russia (Wagner) actually had a fight against western stealth technology and got their asses kicked at the Battle of Kasham. You are next level coping here my friend. Also he's talking ****** as dreadnought actually made all pre-dreanoughts obsolete in 1906. Torpedoes had existed long before this. Naval aviation came of age after Taranto 1940 proved it and before this aircraft carriers were secondary to battleships of the 1930s. So 1906 - 1930 is a good life for naval tech and lifespans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 24 minutes ago, Up the spout said: NATO Defence Spending - $1,200,000,000,000 US Defence Spending - $900,000,000,000 European Defence Spending - $240,000,000,000 ruZZian Defence Spending - $60,000,000,000 Makes you deeply ashamed to be human, if this could be redirected to housing and medicine and transport that would make the world a better place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up the spout Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 12 minutes ago, shlomo said: Makes you deeply ashamed to be human, if this could be redirected to housing and medicine and transport that would make the world a better place Oh grow up. Spending less than 3% of your entire government's budget because of psychos like putler is not a reason to be "deeply ashamed". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 21 minutes ago, Up the spout said: Oh grow up. Spending less than 3% of your entire government's budget because of psychos like putler is not a reason to be "deeply ashamed". I do not believe building weapons to kill other human beings more efficiently is a mark of civilisation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up the spout Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 28 minutes ago, shlomo said: I do not believe building weapons to kill other human beings more efficiently is a mark of civilisation Oh really? Fascinating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Si1 said: https://www.newsweek.com/russia-gas-production-collapse-ussr-levels-1831087 Russia-Ukraine war live: EU foreign ministers to consider Zelenskiy peace plan at Kyiv summit amid fears over future of US aid Meeting takes place amid concerns over cracks in US funding and after a pro-Russian populist party won the most votes Slovakia’s election https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/02/russia-ukraine-war-live-updates-joe-biden-us-support-for-ukraine-speech-rishi-sunak-uk-instructors#top-of-blog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, zugzwang said: Russia-Ukraine war live: EU foreign ministers to consider Zelenskiy peace plan at Kyiv summit amid fears over future of US aid Meeting takes place amid concerns over cracks in US funding and after a pro-Russian populist party won the most votes Slovakia’s election https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/02/russia-ukraine-war-live-updates-joe-biden-us-support-for-ukraine-speech-rishi-sunak-uk-instructors#top-of-blog https://charter97.org/en/news/2023/10/1/565991/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up the spout Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 On day 585 of putler's 10-day war military operation; Biden says US ‘will not walk away’ from Ukraine amid budget turmoil The US president reassures allies and Kyiv after a last-minute budget deal in Congress axes funding for the war-torn country. United States President Joe Biden says aid to Ukraine will keep flowing for now as he seeks to reassure allies of continued support for the war effort. “We cannot under any circumstances allow American support for Ukraine to be interrupted,” Biden said. “The vast majority of both parties – Democrats and Republicans, Senate and House – support helping Ukraine and the brutal aggression that is being thrust upon them by Russia,” he said in an address from the White House. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/1/biden-says-us-will-not-walk-away-from-ukraine-amid-budget-turmoil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 This is a thread of the desperate hopes and dreams of a few folks who seem surprisingly keen for Russia to steal large amounts of other people's country... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trampa501 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Since it's not UK government policy, I suspect this is more Shapps trying to position himself for the leadership once Rishi loses the next election. The same way Truss is holding meetings at the conference. Which crazy do you want in charge of the Tory party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Up the spout said: Oh really? Fascinating. Edited October 2, 2023 by shlomo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual-observer Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 For the bargain price of $1,200,000,000,000 we get the occasional holes blown in a bridge in Crimea and a 4 month counter offense that has just about managed to seize a village. It's pretty obvious the funding from America is over, after such stunning results the GOP don't appear to be all that keen to inherit this abject failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 10 minutes ago, Trampa501 said: Since it's not UK government policy, I suspect this is more Shapps trying to position himself for the leadership once Rishi loses the next election. The same way Truss is holding meetings at the conference. Which crazy do you want in charge of the Tory party? Tory Grant Shapps speaks to mostly empty room as party struggle to fill seats Top Tories have been forced to stuff the front rows of the hall with their own aides so broadcast cameras have people in seats to cut away to during their speeches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, Casual-observer said: For the bargain price of $1,200,000,000,000 we get the occasional holes blown in a bridge in Crimea and a 4 month counter offense that has just about managed to seize a village. It's pretty obvious the funding from America is over, after such stunning results the GOP don't appear to be all that keen to inherit this abject failure. Do you really think the US will stop funding Ukraine at the present level, and cut the number back big time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual-observer Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, shlomo said: Do you really think the US will stop funding Ukraine at the present level, and cut the number back big time? It's what they consistently do, in fact it's likely what Putin banked on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Casual-observer said: It's what they consistently do, in fact it's likely what Putin banked on. Do you think Europe will pick up the baton, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.steve Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, shlomo said: One of my hobbies is gaming AI information I probably share your enthusiasm... though I'd prefer to game AI directly. AI does not, pretty-much by definition, create information. 🙂 3 hours ago, shlomo said: Do you really think the US will stop funding Ukraine at the present level, and cut the number back big time? Do you mean before or after the next US presidential election? Edited October 2, 2023 by A.steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHorseWaits-NoMore Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Yet again, we see the warmonger pack minority descend to bang the WW3 marching drums, to deny any man having a valid peace seeking opinion. As it was both before and after 500,00 dead and wounded, perhaps another 8Bn dead will be enough. Can't really argue with these observations regarding Grant Shapps being a 'newly minted moron' 😆. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 12 minutes ago, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said: Yet again, we see the warmonger pack minority descend to bang the WW3 marching drums, to deny any man having a valid peace seeking opinion. As it was both before and after 500,00 dead and wounded, perhaps another 8Bn dead will be enough. Can't really argue with these observations regarding Grant Shapps being a 'newly minted moron' 😆. So here we go again: the genocidal maniac who lost his 3 day war threatening nuclear war through his proxies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHorseWaits-NoMore Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 As I've pointed out to you several times, there is not a genocide in Ukraine. The data just doesn't fit the narrative. Total civilian casualties: From 24 February 2022, which marked the start of the large-scale armed attack by the Russian Federation, to 13 August 2023, OHCHR recorded 26,384 civilian casualties in the country: 9,444 killed and 16,940 injured. https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2023/08/ukraine-civilian-casualty-update-14-august-2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 40 minutes ago, A.steve said: Do you mean before or after the next US presidential election? Before the next election, Biden and the republicans both think the biggest threat to US hegemony is China not Russia and I would agree with that assesment, both the US and China will benefit from a weeker Russia but China did not pay to get that result, her arsenal is not empty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up the spout Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 15 minutes ago, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said: As I've pointed out to you several times, there is not a genocide in Ukraine. The data just doesn't fit the narrative. From the same link you provided; Quote OHCHR believes that the actual figures are considerably higher, as the receipt of information from some locations where intense hostilities have been going on has been delayed and many reports are still pending corroboration. This concerns, for example, Mariupol (Donetsk region), Lysychansk, Popasna, and Sievierodonetsk (Luhansk region), where there are allegations of numerous civilian casualties. Your narrative is bogus, you tw*t, what we are seeing is the biggest tragedy of our times - so the west must give Ukraine the tools it needs to defend their country and kick the orcs out asap. Once that's done, then those who committed genocide, rape, abduction of 1000s of children, torture, beheadings, and mass murder will have to be held to account before ruZZia is allowed to cease being a dysfunctional, pariah, failed, terrorist entity and permitted to function as an independent state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up the spout Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 minute ago, shlomo said: Before the next election, Biden and the republicans both think the biggest threat to US hegemony is China not Russia and I would agree with that assesment, both the US and China will benefit from a weeker Russia but China did not pay to get that result, her arsenal is not empty. Your naivety shows no bounds; China is a huge, powerful, and strong country but is no threat to the US or EU - it relies on them for its money and power. ruZZia is the weak outlier here and is doomed - the EU, US, and China are all safely watching from afar and working out how to divide the spoils once is collapses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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