zugzwang Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 7 hours ago, MARTINX9 said: His constituents should be thanking Liz Truss - she is doing her bit to deliver a house price crash so that their son and daughter in law can pay a lot less than £270k for a house in Plymouth in future. As opposed to the PMs of the last 25 odd years who have done their utmost to price their son and daughter in law out of buying a home - which has led to them having to rent for a decade! If Truss does get engineered out and Rishi/Mordaunt/Wallace take over our hopes may be doomed!! Don't u turn now Lizzie!! Thick Lizzie was a minister in a succession of Tory govts since 2014. A career house price ramper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HousePriceTooHigh Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 The contempt this lot have for the British public s unbelieveable "If the markets won't do what we want, we will destroy the economy and the country and the let everyone else pick up the pieces" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, HousePriceTooHigh said: The contempt this lot have for the British public s unbelieveable "If the markets won't do what we want, we will destroy the economy and the country and the let everyone else pick up the pieces" Giving up control to the international financial elite. That's what Brexit was all about! It's what these traitors and quislings have always wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 @zugzwang most of The City and people you'd class as 'financial elite' campaigned against Brexit / said it was a ******ing disaster & half-cocked idea. Just like they are currently saying Truss' plans are a ******ing disaster & half-cocked idea and demanding greater rate on lending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 34 minutes ago, zugzwang said: Giving up control to the international financial elite. That's what Brexit was all about! It's what these traitors and quislings have always wanted. Deregulate everything, all yours to play with.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happening Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 40 minutes ago, zugzwang said: Giving up control to the international financial elite. That's what Brexit was all about! It's what these traitors and quislings have always wanted. Youre off your nut, Brexit came about as the working man was getting financially raped by the international financial elite. And mass immigration was destroying our society. The fact its continued can hardly be blamed on those who voted to leave your beloved neoliberals wet dream that is the EU. Your the middle class quislingm who other than whining on about Corbyn is truly content with the status quo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Happening said: Youre off your nut, Brexit came about as the working man was getting financially raped by the international financial elite. And mass immigration was destroying our society. The fact its continued can hardly be blamed on those who voted to leave your beloved neoliberals wet dream that is the EU. Your the middle class quislingm who other than whining on about Corbyn is truly content with the status quo. Mass immigration has continued exactly as it did before 2016. More than a million visas were handed out last year alone. The first thing Thick Lizzie did was to fatten up the banker's bonuses! Free trade, free markets, the free movement of capital and labour. That's Brexit. By the international financial elite, of the international financial elite and for the international financial elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTINX9 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 43 minutes ago, Staffsknot said: @zugzwang most of The City and people you'd class as 'financial elite' campaigned against Brexit / said it was a ******ing disaster & half-cocked idea. Just like they are currently saying Truss' plans are a ******ing disaster & half-cocked idea and demanding greater rate on lending. Spot on - you would be hardpressed to find any big global corporation or entity that actually backed remain. JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs actively campaigned for remain and donated to the remain campaign - clearly they were just in in for the little people!! JPM even threatened to quit the UK if Brexit happened - still here I see. Hardly backed by the 'global financial elite' as you say! https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/20/goldman-sachs-backs-campaign-keep-britain-in-european-union-referendum https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/21/jpmorgan-backs-campaign-to-keep-britain-in-the-eu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTINX9 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, zugzwang said: Mass immigration has continued exactly as it did before 2016. More than a million visas were handed out last year alone. The first thing Thick Lizzie did was to fatten up the banker's bonuses! Free trade, free markets, the free movement of capital and labour. That's Brexit. By the international financial elite, of the international financial elite and for the international financial elite. That's cos she is a libertarian Tory as his her cabinet - I expect Tony Benn's version of Brexit (had things gone differently in the 1980s say) might have been a little different! Because that was sort of partly the point - now we get to see how good (or useless) are politicians are as they no longer have anywhere to hide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightowl Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, MARTINX9 said: That's cos she is a libertarian Tory as his her cabinet - I expect Tony Benn's version of Brexit (had things gone differently in the 1980s say) might have been a little different! Because that was sort of partly the point - now we get to see how good (or useless) are politicians are as they no longer have anywhere to hide. Much of the financial and business elite want things to stay as they were (ie remain) if only as it was more predictable and continuation of business as usual. If we had been in some kind Norway or swiss like relationship they would want that to continue and not join the eu/euro. 11 minutes ago, zugzwang said: The first thing Thick Lizzie did was to fatten up the banker's bonuses! She may we'll be thick but she has likely just crashed the HPI even if inadvertently, which is the very reasons this site exists so why are you complaining?🙄 Is it because rather than life being run by the financial elite you prefer Beijing? 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happening Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, zugzwang said: Mass immigration has continued exactly as it did before 2016. More than a million visas were handed out last year alone. The first thing Thick Lizzie did was to fatten up the banker's bonuses! Free trade, free markets, the free movement of capital and labour. That's Brexit. By the international financial elite, of the international financial elite and for the international financial elite. Yes i know what has happened since, but people were voting to end mass immigration. We've got rid of one horrific layer of government, now the plebs need to work on ridding/changing the 2 party state we live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Happening said: Yes i know what has happened since, but people were voting to end mass immigration. How's that working for you? Quote We've got rid of one horrific layer of government, now the plebs need to work on ridding/changing the 2 party state we live in. Unless you simply want more numerical parties, that means understanding why we have such a narrow political spectrum and why other political approaches are villified first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happening Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, nightowl said: Much of the financial and business elite want things to stay as they were (ie remain) if only as it was more predictable and continuation of business as usual. If we had been in some kind Norway or swiss like relationship they would want that to continue and not join the eu/euro. She may we'll be thick but she has likely just crashed the HPI even if inadvertently, which is the very reasons this site exists so why are you complaining?🙄 Is it because rather than life being run by the financial elite you prefer Beijing? 🤣 Exactly that, the people on here dont really want a HPC it would seem, she's set the scene and they now want things back to how it was. Posters on this site are a bit of a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happening Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 minute ago, msi said: How's that working for you? Unless you simply want more numerical parties, that means understanding why we have such a narrow political spectrum and why other political approaches are villified first Quite obviously mass immigration didnt end, did it. But it was one of the major issues in the run up to the vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Just now, Happening said: Quite obviously mass immigration didnt end, did it. But it was one of the major issues in the run up to the vote. didn't end? If went up even more and is covered up. By any measure it is a spectacular failure yet all of the 52% seem awfully quiet on holding the Tories to account. Why would that be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightowl Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Happening said: Exactly that, the people on here dont really want a HPC it would seem, she's set the scene and they now want things back to how it was. Posters on this site are a bit of a joke. A crash would always have it's origins in turmoil of some sort with rising mortgage rates. Welcome to autumn 2022. Some posters here are a joke but often unable to grasp, understand or cope with the outside world 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Happening said: The average lefty is a confused and hypocritical individual. Would seem the leftys on here are wanting Sunak back, and his 15% per annum HPI. Sooner the dirty thieving Indian and his vile family were gagged and shot. People on the left and right went for Brexit because both had a daft suspicion of all things EU and either: 1. Believed it was a barrier to their bonfire of regulation Or 2. Believed it was a cabal of derugulation and closed protectionist shop holding back workers rights... Both were nuts positions. Bit like the BBC is both a leftwing institution & rightwing gov mouthpiece depending on which reality bending opinion you are getting hit with. Also 'dirty thieving Indian' - bit of a rascist rant you have there, makes you look like you are a target for the idiots who were pitching the disaster Brexit on the 'stop immigrants' ticket. Edited October 14, 2022 by Staffsknot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, MARTINX9 said: Spot on - you would be hardpressed to find any big global corporation or entity that actually backed remain. JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs actively campaigned for remain and donated to the remain campaign - clearly they were just in in for the little people!! JPM even threatened to quit the UK if Brexit happened - still here I see. Hardly backed by the 'global financial elite' as you say! https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/20/goldman-sachs-backs-campaign-keep-britain-in-european-union-referendum https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/21/jpmorgan-backs-campaign-to-keep-britain-in-the-eu Its just stock phrasing by people who don't understand but claim insight - bit like establishment or anti-growth coalition - which is a gammut from Caroline Lucas & David Attenborough to some Tory MPs like David Davis... Basically a crap catchall of 'financial elite' like 'counter revolutionary' to Communists or 'socialist / communist' to crazy eyed US right Edited October 14, 2022 by Staffsknot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happening Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 hour ago, msi said: didn't end? If went up even more and is covered up. By any measure it is a spectacular failure yet all of the 52% seem awfully quiet on holding the Tories to account. Why would that be? How can people hold the Tories to account, when there hasnt been an election since leaving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Happening said: How can people hold the Tories to account, when there hasnt been an election since leaving? Plenty of ways if you have a brain and don't spout TINA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 4 hours ago, HousePriceTooHigh said: The contempt this lot have for the British public s unbelieveable "If the markets won't do what we want, we will destroy the economy and the country and the let everyone else pick up the pieces" To a certain extent, I am OK with that. The economy should be run for the nation, not the markets. But, here the markets are concerned as something purely damaging to the nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTINX9 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Happening said: Exactly that, the people on here dont really want a HPC it would seem, she's set the scene and they now want things back to how it was. Posters on this site are a bit of a joke. You said it - closest we have got to a potential material HPC for perhaps 30 years. Perhaps we should rename the side 'www.wedontreallywantahousepricecrash.co.uk'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Happening said: Exactly that, the people on here dont really want a HPC it would seem, she's set the scene and they now want things back to how it was. Posters on this site are a bit of a joke. It is worse than what it was.....greater immigration, any new deals will involve immigration/visas......you or nobody else can stop immigration, immigration is one of the main ways of getting growth into the economy..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual-observer Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, MARTINX9 said: You said it - closest we have got to a potential material HPC for perhaps 30 years. Perhaps we should rename the side 'www.wedontreallywantahousepricecrash.co.uk'! This site a while ago became hijacked by left wing agitators, this is the crux of it and it's largely filled with glaring conflicting arguments. I suspect a lot of them are state employee's who wanted to walk a tightrope of cashing in on an optimum HPC but ensure their tax backed pension/wage remains safe. They seem to live in some sort of absurd reality where they can rip a political system to pieces on how badly they're screwing them in HPI but then obediently roll over when that same establishment tells them to on war or taxation. Edited October 14, 2022 by Casual-observer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 Liz Truss’s Tories slump below 20% in bombshell poll Conservative support has slumped below 20 per cent in the worst poll yet to hit beleaguered Liz Truss, giving Keir Starmer’s Labour a remarkable 34-point lead. The survey also found that just 9 per cent of voters – fewer than one in 10 – have a favourable view of the prime minister. Her personal ratings recorded in the poll were lower than reached by either Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn at the depths of their periods of unpopularity. And it found that fewer than a third of voters (32 per cent) now want to stay out of the European Union, compared to 41 per cent who want to reverse Brexit and rejoin. Independent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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