satsuma Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 22 minutes ago, MerchantNavy said: How will we get our money back? Money well spent, need to keep it going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantNavy Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 29 minutes ago, satsuma said: Money well spent, need to keep it going. So you're happy to just give away your income? There must be a return on investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will! Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 On 17/12/2023 at 09:40, Grayphil said: Yesterday the country took delivery of its own internally produced drones to rival Shahed, well actually they more than rival, they are better Cheap to build, quick to make, they fly up to 750 km, with up to a 32kg payload. More on drones. Wavell Room 15th December: Creating a British Army of Drones Drones really do appear to be changing the character of land warfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumble bee Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 1 hour ago, satsuma said: Good to see this, the orcs are getting pushed back, now we need to US and Germans to stop blocking aid to finish the job Sorry to be picky, but what do you exactly mean by "the orcs are getting pushed back"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 1 hour ago, bumble bee said: Sorry to be picky, but what do you exactly mean by "the orcs are getting pushed back"? Dying pointlessly and in great numbers. I can provide video evidence if you dispute it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satsuma Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 12 minutes ago, Peter Hun said: Dying pointlessly and in great numbers. I can provide video evidence if you dispute it. Indeed, Russia is empty, all they have now is the lame, insane and one eyed. Even blind men are getting sent to the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 3 hours ago, MerchantNavy said: So you're happy to just give away your income? There must be a return on investment. Killing 350,000 Russian Nazis is a great investment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynamehere Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 In HPC parlance, the Ukranians are advancing in 'real terms'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantNavy Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 25 minutes ago, yelims said: Killing 350,000 Russian Nazis is a great investment Great investment for who? What have we gained here in the United Kingdom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumble bee Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 Regardless of what some want to hear ... it is in stark contrast with the reality on the ground Russian forces gain control of Maryinka in east Ukraine Russian forces have gained full control of Maryinka, a town in eastern Ukraine, Russian defence minister Sergei Shoigu told President Vladimir Putin. Putin said control of the town will allow the Russian forces to move enemy combat units away from Donetsk. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-forces-gain-control-maryinka-east-ukraine-defence-minister-says-2023-12-25/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, MerchantNavy said: Great investment for who? What have we gained here in the United Kingdom? Not having Russia drive as many refugees into Europe and Uk as they done in Syria and tried to do in Ukraine Stood up to Nazis again why do you support Russian Nazis? How many people in Uk died to Nazism before?? Only to have scumbags cheer for them again Edited December 25, 2023 by yelims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantNavy Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 47 minutes ago, yelims said: Not having Russia drive as many refugees into Europe and Uk as they done in Syria and tried to do in Ukraine Stood up to Nazis again why do you support Russian Nazis? How many people in Uk died to Nazism before?? Only to have scumbags cheer for them again I don't support Russia. Neutral. I want to know how will we be recovering costs. Can't expect freebies in life. P.S If military aid is being provided to Ukraine, should that not also be extended to Palestine defending against Israeli Nazis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumble bee Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 Daily Mail comment, Griffin1991: They (Ukraine) need good aged fighting men, Russia has wiped out a whole generation of men, the average age of a Ukraine soldier now is 43 years old. The EU knew it didn't matter how much equipment they gave Ukraine they was never ever going to beat Russia, this was a poxy war to test Russias capabilities. And the poor Ukrainian men have paid the price. Russia hasn't even gone full throttle and they accomplished their goals. They need to come to a peace deal, Russia left the door open for a peace deal within the first 18 months of the war, they have now shut that door. Now the US and UK are telling Zelenskyy to ask them to reopen that door and find peace. The war is lost. Zelenskyy and his friends have become very rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, MerchantNavy said: I don't support Russia. Neutral. I want to know how will we be recovering costs. Can't expect freebies in life. P.S If military aid is being provided to Ukraine, should that not also be extended to Palestine defending against Israeli Nazis? But you do support Nazis helping Ukraine now is same as helping countries in 1939 it prevents Nazis from ruling your ass and gasing your kids, unless you one of those who likes Nazis Edited December 26, 2023 by yelims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 5x Russian Nazi planes and 1x Russian Nazi ship destroyed great week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satsuma Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 Didn’t realise Russia were still keeping ships in the Black Sea and certainly not in Crimea, goes to show they should pull them back to a safe place or they get sunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trampa501 Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 Not looking good for Russian equipment Visegrád 24 on X: "The larger vessels of the Russian Black Sea Fleet continue to disappear one after another. Well done Ukraine! https://t.co/DqcGClK2NU" / X (twitter.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 Let’s just stand back and appreciate a country without a navy destroying the whole of Black Sea Russian Nazi fleet and breaking the blockade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantNavy Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 2 hours ago, yelims said: But you do support Nazis helping Ukraine now is same as helping countries in 1939 it prevents Nazis from ruling your ass and gasing your kids, unless you one of those who likes Nazis Except it won't be like that. Russia's military has been proven to be a paper tiger. Even if they were to take all of Ukraine (they have no 0.000001% chance) they would be decimated if they tried anything against NATO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, MerchantNavy said: Except it won't be like that. Russia's military has been proven to be a paper tiger. Even if they were to take all of Ukraine (they have no 0.000001% chance) they would be decimated if they tried anything against NATO. Proven with western aid and support And yet here you still continue to support the Russian Nazis and question need for further support against these scumbags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantNavy Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 15 minutes ago, yelims said: Proven with western aid and support And yet here you still continue to support the Russian Nazis and question need for further support against these scumbags That doesn't answer the original question. What will we get in return for the support provided? Will Ukraine pay back double? Russia has clearly demonstrated it has a poor military that can't threaten NATO so future threat isn't really a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumble bee Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 Russia said on Sunday that its forces have gained full control of Maryinka, will they encircle the city of Avdiivka by the end of the year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 22 minutes ago, MerchantNavy said: That doesn't answer the original question. What will we get in return for the support provided? Will Ukraine pay back double? Russia has clearly demonstrated it has a poor military that can't threaten NATO so future threat isn't really a reason. What does the world get if genocidal nazis are prevented from genociding Ukraine ? In pounds and pence lol ? I guess we now have some hindsight - what would we have got if we had prevented the 2014 invasions of Ukraine ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumble bee Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 47 minutes ago, pig said: What does the world get if genocidal nazis are prevented from genociding Ukraine ? In pounds and pence lol ? I guess we now have some hindsight - what would we have got if we had prevented the 2014 invasions of Ukraine ? Now, you are asking a very good questions about (neo) Nazi in Ukraine and who is supporting them. The far-right neo-Nazi group has expanded to become part of Ukraine’s armed forces, a street militia and a political party. Azov is a far-right all-volunteer infantry military unit whose members are ultra-nationalists and accused of harbouring neo-Nazi and white supremacist ideology. Who founded Azov? The unit was led by Andriy Biletsky, who served as the the leader of both the Patriot of Ukraine (founded in 2005) and the SNA (founded in 2008). The SNA is known to have carried out attacks on minority groups in Ukraine. In 2010, Biletsky said Ukraine’s national purpose was to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade … against Semite-led Untermenschen [inferior races]”. Biletsky was elected to parliament in 2014. He left Azov as elected officials cannot be in the military or police force. The 42-year-old is nicknamed Bely Vozd – or White Ruler – by his supporters. He established the far-right National Corps party in October 2016, whose core base is veterans of Azov. The unit was initially formed as a volunteer group in May 2014 out of the ultra-nationalist Patriot of Ukraine gang, and the neo-Nazi Social National Assembly (SNA) group. Both groups engaged in xenophobic and neo-Nazi ideals and physically assaulted migrants, the Roma community and people opposing their views. .... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantNavy Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 1 hour ago, pig said: What does the world get if genocidal nazis are prevented from genociding Ukraine ? In pounds and pence lol ? I guess we now have some hindsight - what would we have got if we had prevented the 2014 invasions of Ukraine ? That isn't the reason for aid is it? Otherwise aid would would be given to Palestine to stop israel genociding then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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