Grayphil Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 3 hours ago, Lucky Larry said: so should the US/UK be forced to completely demilitarise and then pay compensation to rebuild all of Iraq , or will they just carry on doing it elsewhere like Syria Lebanon Libya Afghanistan etc etc Completely incomparable, but you know that already. Anyway, it doesn't matter, because Russia won't be able to be part of the civilialzed world again until It meets various conditions. I'm pretty sure at a minimum it will be reparations to Ukriane but also their will now need to be a buffer zone at the minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 1 hour ago, pig said: We've got our own batsh1t Moscow Marjories on this thread lol We certainly do, the Qanon is strong with these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) It’s must really confuse the “second best military in world” that it can’t progress and rape murder and loot on same scale three years into the “three days” war Edited April 19 by yelims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumble bee Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Ukraine will be screwed when Trump enters the White House for the second time Donald Trump did not endorse the package, and he dedicated most of his post, opens new tab on his Truth Social platform to complaining that America's European allies are not spending enough to support Ukraine. Some hard-right Republicans interpreted the post as a signal that he opposes the current aid package, though Trump did not say that explicitly. "Why can't Europe equalize or match the money put in by the United States of America in order to help a Country in desperate need?" he wrote on Thursday. https://www.reuters.com/world/donald-trump-says-ukraines-survival-is-important-us-2024-04-18/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Larry Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 1 hour ago, Grayphil said: Completely incomparable, really , we're always hearing about the illegal invasion of Ukraine what was legal about the war in Iraq ? It was based on a lie , a lie that was pointed out to them at the time and a lie that has since been admitted .A war that has cost many more lives than the war in Ukraine , remember only 30 000 Ukrainians have been killed . "Anyway, it doesn't matter" Of course it matters, that little thing called uncomfortable truths is what you love to ignore as it doesn't suit your myopic agenda. Is it the million deaths in the Iran/Iraq war that the West supplied poison gas to their friends that doesn't matter or the 500 000 children who died because your friends imposed sanctions that don't matter or was that a "price worth paying" or the million that died in the illegal war based on lies about WMDs that don't matter? As for Qanon , I have no interest in their ramblings and have never mentioned them on here so just another lame smear tactic from you , ho hum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 3 hours ago, bumble bee said: Ukraine will be screwed when Trump enters the White House for the second time Donald Trump did not endorse the package, and he dedicated most of his post, opens new tab on his Truth Social platform to complaining that America's European allies are not spending enough to support Ukraine. Some hard-right Republicans interpreted the post as a signal that he opposes the current aid package, though Trump did not say that explicitly. "Why can't Europe equalize or match the money put in by the United States of America in order to help a Country in desperate need?" he wrote on Thursday. https://www.reuters.com/world/donald-trump-says-ukraines-survival-is-important-us-2024-04-18/ Trump is partially correct, Europe should be putting at least as much as US into NATO and defence, I have no issue with that whatsoever, and I also agree with the Polish PM who says that all NATO Countries need to raise defense spending to 3% certainly for the next few years. Trump is however wrong not to have supported Ukraine from the start due to the Budapest memorandum etc etc, also their is a good chance that some of the Republican party have blood on their hands for withholding funding for Ukraine for 6+months. As for the right wing commentators speculating that Trump doesn't support funding cos xxxx they are Qanon and Russian disinfo trying to sew doubt. The ball is rolling and US funding is coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 2 hours ago, Lucky Larry said: really , we're always hearing about the illegal invasion of Ukraine what was legal about the war in Iraq ? It was based on a lie , a lie that was pointed out to them at the time and a lie that has since been admitted .A war that has cost many more lives than the war in Ukraine , remember only 30 000 Ukrainians have been killed . "Anyway, it doesn't matter" Of course it matters, that little thing called uncomfortable truths is what you love to ignore as it doesn't suit your myopic agenda. Is it the million deaths in the Iran/Iraq war that the West supplied poison gas to their friends that doesn't matter or the 500 000 children who died because your friends imposed sanctions that don't matter or was that a "price worth paying" or the million that died in the illegal war based on lies about WMDs that don't matter? As for Qanon , I have no interest in their ramblings and have never mentioned them on here so just another lame smear tactic from you , ho hum Tell you why it doesnt matter to me, because there have been enough inquiries into this and the legal process has taken place. You may not agree with their decisions but I don't care, cos frankly your opinions are worthless cos you keep lying, using whataboutery style obfuscations designed to stop the logical progression of common sense ideas and debate. Anyway, on a personal level, I'm sorry you are hurting, and that now you see the entire west has fully started to grasp the sheer evil of Russia, and is finally coming together with a coherent, robust plan to spank Russia troops back, to begin trying to rebuild their own county, currently underwater. BTW... do you have any idea how much disease will spread through Russia now, given that lots of their rural population doesn't have sewerage and all that fecal matter is currently multiplying in the floodgates.... its tragic, cholera, Dysentery, E.Coli and many other nasty things are currently swilling over millions of the Russian population.. Imagine if they had invested money in their infrastructure, especially in having dams that were built from more than mud, instead of their war machine. But instead Putin chose to put millions at risk of disease at home, and send his best and brightest to slaughter on the front lines.. Russia is just screwed, hope you are OK though hun x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 13 hours ago, bumble bee said: CIA director warns Ukraine could lose war with Russia by the end of the year CIA Director Bill Burns on Thursday warned that unless US sends more military support, Ukraine could “lose” the war against Russia by the end of the year. His comments mark one of the starkest warnings to date from the Biden administration on the stakes in Ukraine as Congress debates whether to approve a long-delayed aid package to Kyiv. Burns had warned “Ukraine is likely to lose ground and probably significant ground in 2024.” https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/18/politics/cia-director-ukraine-russia-warning/index.html That will be why the House Seaker has started putting the bill through then, because he now gets the intelligence briefings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 11 hours ago, pig said: Thats interesting - it sounds a bit like Trump is feeling the heat of responsibility for what he has done to Ukraine. If the country collapses, that and the consequences of it will be on his head. Which begs the question of why he did it in the first place ... He's seen the House Replicans will lose and the bill will go through so wants to be on 'the winning side' of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pig Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 1 hour ago, Staffsknot said: He's seen the House Replicans will lose and the bill will go through so wants to be on 'the winning side' of that Got to say the whole thing seems a bit odd. What was the point ? Does not seem obvious why 6-8 months of allowing the Russians to pummel the Ukrainians helps Trump other than TFH theories eg another plea for help in the coming election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satsuma Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/19/us-citizen-dead-russia-separatists-ukraine Texan fighting for Ukraine, gets murdered by Russian soldiers, makes you wonder what they are at. I suppose they assumed Putin had let another child abuser into the Russian army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 7 hours ago, satsuma said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/19/us-citizen-dead-russia-separatists-ukraine Texan fighting for Ukraine, gets murdered by Russian soldiers, makes you wonder what they are at. I suppose they assumed Putin had let another child abuser into the Russian army. Raped then decapitated by what he thought were fellow Nazis, one for the Darwin awards right there anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 2 hours ago, yelims said: Raped then decapitated by what he thought were fellow Nazis, one for the Darwin awards right there anyways That's an interesting clip, seems they are coming to some form of reality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satsuma Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 19 minutes ago, Grayphil said: That's an interesting clip, seems they are coming to some form of reality Dont think there is much reality, I suppose Putin woke up with some notion they were forced to parrot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Guy Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán on Friday said Western leaders are "one step away" from sending soldiers to fight in Ukraine. "We are one step away from the West sending troops to Ukraine. This is a military whirlpool that can drag Europe to the bottom. Brussels [the site of NATO headquarters] is playing with fire," Orbán said at a campaign event for his Fidesz political party, according to Hungarian broadcaster Hír TV. https://www.newsweek.com/western-leaders-are-one-step-away-sending-troops-ukraine-orban-1892387 I'd like to think Orban is wrong but wonder why he'd say this if he didn't think it was true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bumble bee Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 US agrees to withdraw troops from Niger amid Sahel region’s pivot to Russia The US built a base in the desert city of Agadez at the cost of $100m for manned and unmanned surveillance flights. The US Department of State agreed to pull out about 1,000 troops from the country that has been under military rule since July 2023, US media reported late on Friday. The US is being forced to withdraw from Niger as it is not favoured either by the ruling military or by the population that is rejecting post-colonial forces. Like the military rulers in neighbouring Mali and Burkina Faso, the West African nation had kicked out French and European troops following the military takeover. All three countries have now turned to Russia for support, with Moscow confirming earlier this month that it has sent military trainers and an air defence system and other military equipment to Niger as it deepens its security ties. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/20/us-agrees-to-withdraw-troops-from-niger-amid-sahel-regions-pivot-to-russia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 2 hours ago, Up the spout said: Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Tick tock banned, Taiwan getting money, Ukraine vote soon @bumble bee soon more of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 ****** you Putin and thoughts and prayers for his Russian invaders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 More good news, @rolloverand his latest iterations will disappear today just like they done when Wagner were marching on Moscow awaiting instructions from Kremlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumble bee Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 This vote will just extend the conflict by another year. There is no other option now for Ukraine, the war must go on ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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