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On 4/8/2024 at 9:39 AM, Staffsknot said:

I think you might have upset the resident muppet. 

Best just add him to ignore as let's be honest you aren't exactly missing any blistering insight or analysis that translates to the real world.

All you are doing is using your bandwidth and indulging the nonsense. He'll no doubt still chuck tantrums but will be the only one knowing he's soiled himself again

You've been desperate to block , report and encourage others to do the same for a long time , the truth's always been your enemy 🤡

Q-How much is the rent inside a clown's head A- it's free 

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Seems a bit desperate considering they've only lost 31k men compared to the half a million that Russia has lost , conscripting 60 yr old disabled Ukrainian men living abroad is the very definition of barrel scraping . Meanwhile the Brits have said they will supply them with their new laser weapon by 2027 , Zelensky said they need it by a quarter past 8. That peace deal from a few months ago won't be quite as good next time round and would have saved tens of thousands of lives but YAY HIMARS eh chaps

 

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22 hours ago, zugzwang said:
Game over?
 

Russia Delivers Major Blow to Ukraine by Destroying Kiev’s Biggest Power Plant

Posted on April 11, 2024 by Yves Smith

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Russia has destroyed Kyiv’s largest power plant as president Volodymyr Zelenskyy chided Ukraine’s western partners for “turning a blind eye” to his country’s need for more air defences.

The Trypilska thermal power plant 50km south of Kyiv, which so far was protected by air defences, was completely destroyed in the attack, officials said. The plant provided electricity to millions of people in Kyiv, Cherkasy and Zhytomyr regions.

Oleh Syniehubov, governor of Kharkiv, said 10 missiles had struck the north-eastern region, knocking out power to more than 200,000 residents. Kharkiv, which borders Russia’s Belgorod region, has been pummelled by missiles, rockets and drones in recent weeks.

Ukrenergo, Ukraine’s national transmission system operator, said power substations and generation facilities were damaged and that emergency shutdown schedules were imposed in the Kharkiv region.

It called on Ukrainians to limit the use of electrical appliances from 7pm to 10pm, when it predicted a shortage of electricity might occur because solar power plants, carrying much of the load after Thursday’s attack, would decrease.

Some additional visuals and detail:

Until now, Kyiv, the most protected air space in Ukraine was able to stop much of the incoming Russian missiles.

That's no longer the case.

With air defenses exhausted, Russians finally able to do what they want.

Thermal power plant along the river in Kyiv at 4am pic.twitter.com/YGTBqjJIrc

— Jay in Kyiv (@JayinKyiv) April 11, 2024

 

🇺🇦🇷🇺 Massive strike on Ukraine’s energy system during the night!

Power interruptions in regions: Kiev, Kharkov Odessa.

At first “geraniums” drones went into action, which, in addition to identifying current targets among the remaining Ukranian air defense systems, struck… pic.twitter.com/hTvyGVImWL

 

The Financial Times article includes much rending of hair and garments over the failure of the US to approve additional Ukraine, which is depicted as contributing to Ukraine’s inability to defend itself. But as many commentators have pointed out, money won’t magic weapons or trained men into existence. It would take well over a year to produce the needed armaments, even before getting to the wee problem of competing demand (Israel and Europe restocking).

Helmer included later in his early April post:

An unofficial Moscow source comments: “For the time being, the campaign is likely to leave enough lights on in Lvov to lure the displaced easterners there, and generate all sorts of communal friction. The westward process will repeat itself until Lvov and other border areas are huge refugee camps facing a bunch of nervous Poles, Romanians, Moldovans, etc. We’ll see what happens to Euro solidarity then.”

On an similar matter, Lloyd Austin prevailed on Ukraine to stop taking out Russian oil facilities. Decent people in the US will be hanging their heads in shame. The US did a deal with Ukraine to give up their nuclear weapons. When it comes to doing the right thing, the US is not showing its best side at the moment.

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28 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

 

The Russian speaking people of the Donbas have the same right of self-determination as the Palestinians. Defending that principle is justice not hypocrisy. Also, the Ukrainians were offered a comprehensive strategic peace by Putin two years ago. The failure to settle on those terms was an incalculable folly, inspired by Western hubris and economic illiteracy.

 

 

I think we're beyond 'vile' sophistry, hypocrisy and fictional history by now !

At the end of the day here you are, an actual somebody happy to bend reality in support of a genocidal war - knowingly, not 'accidentally', not 'just another point of view'  but cynically. You're dimly aware that your support does not make any sense whatsoever - especially in the light of the palestinian plight! So... you bullsh1t,  barely convincing yourself let alone anybody else.

For what exactly ? For China ? Explain to me, how does that 👆 mess actually put China in a good light ?

 

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36 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

 

The Russian speaking people of the Donbas have the same right of self-determination as the Palestinians. Defending that principle is justice not hypocrisy. Also, the Ukrainians were offered a comprehensive strategic peace by Putin two years ago. The failure to settle on those terms was an incalculable folly, inspired by Western hubris and economic illiteracy.

 

 

The Russian speaking people of the Donbass don't want Putin.

They would have been happiest being left well alone.

The one stirring it was Putin using Wagner group and others. This is well established now, just stop lying about things 

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This interview of Scott Ritter by Judge Napolitano finds Scott in a very vehement mode. Almost angry. Especially when he passes comment on Lord Whatever Cameron.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does Hug a Hoodie sound like our former much loved OAF when it comes to Ukraine. As you may recall,  everybody who Hug a Hoodie wanted to speak to in Washington suddenly found their diaries full with prior engagements..._

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29 minutes ago, Lucky Larry said:

He's just a troll that resorts to lies , seems to be a theme on here .

Outright lying is just one of the tools employed by Larry Whataboutery to defend Putins actions ;)

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15 minutes ago, Lucky Larry said:

You've been desperate to block , report and encourage others to do the same for a long time , the truth's always been your enemy 🤡

Q-How much is the rent inside a clown's head A- it's free 

 

77th Brigade. Forum censor by Royal Appointment. Cringeing apologist for The Jew Terror who spent weeks insisting that Article 1 of The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide had nothing to do with the legal prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide.

:rolleyes:

 

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15 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

 

77th Brigade. Forum censor by Royal Appointment. Cringeing apologist for The Jew Terror who spent weeks insisting that Article 1 of The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide had nothing to do with the legal prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide.

:rolleyes:

 

Indeed , his defence of atrocities and war crimes exposes his sociopathic personality 

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11 minutes ago, pig said:

For what exactly ? For China ? Explain to me, how does that 👆 mess actually put China in a good light ?

The Ukraine conflict has nothing to do with China. The Chinese have acted as neutral obsevers throughout while urging both sides to de-escalate and seek a negotiated peace. Except that whenever NATO warmongers talk about spending billions on re-arming Kiev - billions more on re-arming Kiev - they always reference China. Without fail. They just can;t seem to help themselves. How very strange.

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42 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

The Ukraine conflict has nothing to do with China. The Chinese have acted as neutral obsevers throughout while urging both sides to de-escalate and seek a negotiated peace. Except that whenever NATO warmongers talk about spending billions on re-arming Kiev - billions more on re-arming Kiev - they always reference China. Without fail. They just can;t seem to help themselves. How very strange.

For crying out loud the hegemaniacs in China are supplying Russia for its war on Europe  'no limits' partnership remember ?  😂

To be generous I think China a bit stuck on which is worse, Russia losing or Russia waging the war in the first place - cheap oil is one thing  but large scale instability isn't good for Chinese interests.

Which presumably is why you are stuck supporting and fictionalising the reasons for Putins genocidal war: because it looks bad on China in a similar vein to Netenyahu dragging the US through the mud.... 

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China Providing Geospatial Intelligence to Russia, US Warns

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-06/china-is-providing-geospatial-intelligence-to-russia-us-warns?embedded-checkout=true

 

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The US is warning allies that China has stepped up its support for Russia, including by providing geospatial intelligence, to help Moscow in its war against Ukraine.

Amid signs of continued military integration between the two nations, China has provided Russia with satellite imagery for military purposes, as well as microelectronics and machine tools for tanks, according to people familiar with the matter.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Lucky Larry said:

Seems a bit desperate considering they've only lost 31k men compared to the half a million that Russia has lost , conscripting 60 yr old disabled Ukrainian men living abroad is the very definition of barrel scraping . Meanwhile the Brits have said they will supply them with their new laser weapon by 2027 , Zelensky said they need it by a quarter past 8. That peace deal from a few months ago won't be quite as good next time round and would have saved tens of thousands of lives but YAY HIMARS eh chaps

 

Not only the laser  gun is going to go to Ukraine ...

James Heappey says UK should consider sending troops to Ukraine - but away from the frontline

The UK should consider sending troops to Ukraine to give training and other support to Ukrainian forces in the war with Russia - though away from the frontline, former armed forces minister James Heappey has said.

He also told Sky News that Britain needs to be better prepared for war at a time of growing threats, including by reinvigorating a large "strategic reserve" force of thousands of veterans who could be required to serve again in a national crisis.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/james-heappey-says-uk-consider-013100864.html

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... meanwhile  in the UK ...

Navy recruits no longer required to swim in ‘desperate’ bid to boost applications

Royal Navy applicants will no longer have to prove they can swim before joining, with experts warning it is a “desperate” attempt to fix the recruitment crisis.

Recruits were previously required to pass a 30-minute swim test to join the Navy, with the ability to swim being a basic-level entry requirement for the force.

But since a drastic fall in applications was reported last year, the Navy has sought to remove barriers to entry to encourage a wider pool of recruits.

UK defence secretary Grant Shapps claimed in February the situation was improving, with applications now at an eight-year high.

The move to eradicate the need to pass a basic swimming test, however, has been described as a step too far and a “true sign of desperation” on the part of the recruiters.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/royal-navy-swim-test-defence-b2527614.html

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17 minutes ago, bumble bee said:

... meanwhile  in the UK ...

Navy recruits no longer required to swim in ‘desperate’ bid to boost applications

Royal Navy applicants will no longer have to prove they can swim before joining, with experts warning it is a “desperate” attempt to fix the recruitment crisis.

Recruits were previously required to pass a 30-minute swim test to join the Navy, with the ability to swim being a basic-level entry requirement for the force.

But since a drastic fall in applications was reported last year, the Navy has sought to remove barriers to entry to encourage a wider pool of recruits.

UK defence secretary Grant Shapps claimed in February the situation was improving, with applications now at an eight-year high.

The move to eradicate the need to pass a basic swimming test, however, has been described as a step too far and a “true sign of desperation” on the part of the recruiters.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/royal-navy-swim-test-defence-b2527614.html

In the past it was seen as bad luck for navy sailors to be able to swim.

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Where is Boris Johnson now ...?

Kremlin says 2022 draft document could serve as starting point for future Ukraine peace talks

A draft peace agreement that Russia and Ukraine negotiated in the early days of the conflict could serve as a starting point for talks to end the fighting, the Kremlin said Friday, reviving a proposal that Ukraine had rejected.

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said that the draft document that was discussed in Istanbul in March 2022 could be “the basis for starting negotiations.” At the same time, he noted that the possible future talks would need to take into account the “new realities.”

“There have been many changes since then, new entities have been included in our constitution,” Peskov said in a conference call with reporters.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/kremlin-2022-draft-document-serve-starting-point-future-109160525

 

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3 hours ago, Grayphil said:

The Russian speaking people of the Donbass don't want Putin.

They would have been happiest being left well alone.

The one stirring it was Putin using Wagner group and others. This is well established now, just stop lying about things 

The Russian speaking people of Donbass are either dead by now or refugees 

Russia keeps bringing in colonists as per their imperial policy of colonialism 

Hilarious to see the hypocrites that the Chinese are condone and support these imperialist scum 

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20 hours ago, bumble bee said:

That is your opinion and not mine.

Ukraine is just victim of western geopolitics and kind of whipping boy for NATO proxy war players.

The sooner is Ukraine going to run out of Western weapons, the sooner will the conflict end.

But warmongers like you still have not enough and want to make more money out of Ukraine despairing situation.

Didn't you mention before you are working in the financial sector now?

Erm I mentioned I'm ex military and first went to being an analyst then onto the financial services industry... as a technical side not trader you wally.. many times on this forum. Not sure why that is relevant or why that is relevant.

The rest of your post is the usual wibble.

I mean the latest war in Ukraine started when your boy Putin rolled in to Ukraine after years of nicking bits and trying to destabilise it. You have cheered that on all day long so I think you'll find its you who wanted this war and you who are the warmonger.

Also I have made precisely £0 from Ukraine in fact donated money to Ukraine aid charities and to help refugees in this country, so Ukraine has cost me money. Its worth every penny to rile muppets like you and stop Putin / supportUkrainians.

What a perfect summary of your poor levels of analysis and grasp on reality

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16 hours ago, zugzwang said:

 

The Russian speaking people of the Donbas have the same right of self-determination as the Palestinians. Defending that principle is justice not hypocrisy. Also, the Ukrainians were offered a comprehensive strategic peace by Putin two years ago. The failure to settle on those terms was an incalculable folly, inspired by Western hubris and economic illiteracy.

 

 

Wibble 

Strangely you do not view self-determination as applicable to Uyghurs, Taiwanese or Hong Kongers... more hypocrisy at work

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15 hours ago, DiggerUK said:

This interview of Scott Ritter by Judge Napolitano finds Scott in a very vehement mode. Almost angry. Especially when he passes comment on Lord Whatever Cameron.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does Hug a Hoodie sound like our former much loved OAF when it comes to Ukraine. As you may recall,  everybody who Hug a Hoodie wanted to speak to in Washington suddenly found their diaries full with prior engagements..._

Scott Ritter - that you read what that Russian paid for idiot says tells everyone how 'neutral' and 'just wanting an end to the senseless slaughter' you really are.

I mean when he's not shilling for Russia he's on Sesame Street looking for dating tips

Now explain to us all how a man who constantly pushes Kremlin propaganda, appears on Russian TV regularly pushing Kremlin approved narrative, who addressed Russian Cheche troops / militias commanded by Kadyrov, who has been debunked peddling lies repeatedly and whoblames the US state for his arrest as a kiddie fiddler is somehow an independent and objective voice?

That's before we get onto his past befoe Ukraine

You do pick people to quote that reveal your true motives, must try harder

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16 hours ago, zugzwang said:

 

77th Brigade. Forum censor by Royal Appointment. Cringeing apologist for The Jew Terror who spent weeks insisting that Article 1 of The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide had nothing to do with the legal prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide.

:rolleyes:

 

Awww you need me to be on the state payroll because I can point out you are often wrong Zug.

Nope this is not China you get picked up on your frequent drivel for free as nobody is paid to monitor you - it would be a definite waste of taxpayers money.

Never made the claims you make because again you are the forum wibble merchant and hypocritical liar.

What you did frequently is copy paste large sections of IHL and then when you had it explained to you what it said and meant you would shout 'Genocide' and then repeat this process, often misrepesenting IHL.

Just like you shouted about Israeli Occupation Forces - not realising that calling it an occupation force would give Israel even more get outs legally and is incredibly dim.

Or the fact I have repeatedly said IDF forces have undoubtedly committed war crimes and need holding to account, even before 7th October but again hard of thinking people like you can't grasp that simple thing. Same as you have woeful understanding of many things you profess to be knowedgable of - IHL being one amongst many

Its because you are a complete agreement or nothing ogmatic rant merchant who follows party lines or screams traitor and burn the heretic.

Funnily enough you are the only person out of us who has repeatedly called for and cheered the commission war crimes. Funny that in a disturbingly unfunny manner

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