Guardian: Number of homeless households moved out of London soars

[rantnrave]

Number of homeless households moved out of London soars

Councils blame rising homelessness, funding cuts and lack of cheap housing

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/29/number-of-homeless-households-moved-out-of-london-soars

The number of households being moved out of London by councils has increased dramatically, rising by almost 50% in the first half of this year as town hall leaders blame rising homelessness, tightening public finances and a chronic lack of new cheap homes in the capital.

Councils have sent homeless households as far away as Glasgow, Newcastle and Cardiff in the last year, according to figures collected by local authorities and seen by the Guardian. Seven hundred and 40 households have been relocated to Kent, 574 to Essex, 30 to the West Midlands and 69 to Surrey.

More than 1,200 households were sent out of the capital in the first six months of this year – a 46% rise in the number of out-of-London placements. Six hundred and eighty-eight households were sent away between April and June alone, the highest rate in at least six years, up from 113 households in the first quarter of 2012-13.

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One mother of a 12-year-old and 14-month-old baby who was recently moved away told Buck she had to wake her family at 5.40am and spend more than two hours travelling to her work and her daughter’s school in Westminster. They got home after 9pm having commuted in total for four hours and 51 minutes.

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The government stressed that it spends more than £23bn a year on housing benefit, more than any other OECD country as a proportion of GDP on housing support.

[hurlerontheditch]

2 minutes ago, rantnrave said:

Number of homeless households moved out of London soars

Councils blame rising homelessness, funding cuts and lack of cheap housing

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/29/number-of-homeless-households-moved-out-of-london-soars

The number of households being moved out of London by councils has increased dramatically, rising by almost 50% in the first half of this year as town hall leaders blame rising homelessness, tightening public finances and a chronic lack of new cheap homes in the capital.

Councils have sent homeless households as far away as Glasgow, Newcastle and Cardiff in the last year, according to figures collected by local authorities and seen by the Guardian. Seven hundred and 40 households have been relocated to Kent, 574 to Essex, 30 to the West Midlands and 69 to Surrey.

More than 1,200 households were sent out of the capital in the first six months of this year – a 46% rise in the number of out-of-London placements. Six hundred and eighty-eight households were sent away between April and June alone, the highest rate in at least six years, up from 113 households in the first quarter of 2012-13.

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One mother of a 12-year-old and 14-month-old baby who was recently moved away told Buck she had to wake her family at 5.40am and spend more than two hours travelling to her work and her daughter’s school in Westminster. They got home after 9pm having commuted in total for four hours and 51 minutes.

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The government stressed that it spends more than £23bn a year on housing benefit, more than any other OECD country as a proportion of GDP on housing support.

surely when you move the kids move school too?

[Dorkins]

6 minutes ago, hurlerontheditch said:

surely when you move the kids move school too?

I think sometimes people doing this are maintaining the local connection in the hope that eventually Westminster council will decide the new housing arrangement is not sustainable and will instead offer them housing within Westminster.

[hurlerontheditch]

3 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

I think sometimes people doing this are maintaining the local connection in the hope that eventually Westminster council will decide the new housing arrangement is not sustainable and will instead offer them housing within Westminster.

fair enough. does the school catchment area not prevent her from attending or once you're in you're in? not experienced in this so don't know

[longgone]

18 minutes ago, rantnrave said:

Number of homeless households moved out of London soars

Councils blame rising homelessness, funding cuts and lack of cheap housing

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/29/number-of-homeless-households-moved-out-of-london-soars

The number of households being moved out of London by councils has increased dramatically, rising by almost 50% in the first half of this year as town hall leaders blame rising homelessness, tightening public finances and a chronic lack of new cheap homes in the capital.

Councils have sent homeless households as far away as Glasgow, Newcastle and Cardiff in the last year, according to figures collected by local authorities and seen by the Guardian. Seven hundred and 40 households have been relocated to Kent, 574 to Essex, 30 to the West Midlands and 69 to Surrey.

More than 1,200 households were sent out of the capital in the first six months of this year – a 46% rise in the number of out-of-London placements. Six hundred and eighty-eight households were sent away between April and June alone, the highest rate in at least six years, up from 113 households in the first quarter of 2012-13.

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One mother of a 12-year-old and 14-month-old baby who was recently moved away told Buck she had to wake her family at 5.40am and spend more than two hours travelling to her work and her daughter’s school in Westminster. They got home after 9pm having commuted in total for four hours and 51 minutes.

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The government stressed that it spends more than £23bn a year on housing benefit, more than any other OECD country as a proportion of GDP on housing support.

how many houses could that build 20k a year ? 

utter waste of money. 

[Dorkins]

This nonsense would go away if all benefits were replaced with a basic income. Live where you want, but you pay out of your own pocket like everybody else.

[Harry Sacks]

16 minutes ago, longgone said:

how many houses could that build 20k a year ? 

utter waste of money. 

The 2/3 of that goes to social housing tenants anyway.

[spyguy]

50 minutes ago, rantnrave said:

Number of homeless households moved out of London soars

Councils blame rising homelessness, funding cuts and lack of cheap housing

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/29/number-of-homeless-households-moved-out-of-london-soars

The number of households being moved out of London by councils has increased dramatically, rising by almost 50% in the first half of this year as town hall leaders blame rising homelessness,

...

One mother of a 12-year-old and 14-month-old baby who was recently moved away told Buck she had to wake her family at 5.40am and spend more than two hours travelling to her work and her daughter’s school in Westminster. They got home after 9pm having commuted in total for four hours and 51 minutes.

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The government stressed that it spends more than £23bn a year on housing benefit, more than any other OECD country as a proportion of GDP on housing support.

Welcome to the world of most of London workers, who commute to work and ay the tax that keeps your lazy unproductive ar5e in a Westminster flat.

Cap UK HB at 400/m.

 

[spyguy]

30 minutes ago, longgone said:

how many houses could that build 20k a year ? 

utter waste of money. 

Strongly agreed.

Rentierism in the UK needs gutting.

 

[longgone]

17 minutes ago, spyguy said:

Welcome to the world of most of London workers, who commute to work and ay the tax that keeps your lazy unproductive ar5e in a Westminster flat.

Cap UK HB at 400/m.

 

she should never of had children. being unproductive with dependents is just shocking forced to claim off the state.

[Dorkins]

Just to play devil's advocate, it is a bit weird that the state is telling people which city they are going to be moved to, like something out of Stalinist Russia. People really should just be given the money and told to get on with it like independent adults.

[spyguy]

15 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

Just to play devil's advocate, it is a bit weird that the state is telling people which city they are going to be moved to, like something out of Stalinist Russia. People really should just be given the money and told to get on with it like independent adults.

Not really.

Person goes - I want social housing.

States goes - theres some in Newcastle.

No diffirent from someone in Newcastle who wants to work in investment banking moving to London.

 

[frankief]

1 hour ago, rantnrave said:

Councils have sent homeless households as far away as Glasgow, Newcastle and Cardiff in the last year

So what happens to the homeless of Glasgow, Newcastle and Cardiff? Bumped down the waiting list? Or told to look for private accomodation which will cost you plenty for anything decent, as the cheaper stuff is all being hoovered up by a council 300 miles away.Or are these 1,200 cases all moved to estates where locals don't want to move?

[Wayward]

“Losing your home is a deeply traumatic event and then being offered accommodation miles away from your community, your work, your children’s school and your care responsibilities compounds all that trauma,” said Karen Buck, the Labour MP for Westminster North, whose constituents are regularly forced to move away"

How many private tenants are evicted every year to move away to WHERE THEY CAN AFFORD?  Why do those enjoying subsidised housing provision by the state deserved such favourable treatment at the expense of others.  There really needs to more balance here if there isn't going to be very damaging societal fracture...the unfairness in the system is intolerable.

[spyguy]

1 hour ago, frankief said:

So what happens to the homeless of Glasgow, Newcastle and Cardiff? Bumped down the waiting list? Or told to look for private accomodation which will cost you plenty for anything decent, as the cheaper stuff is all being hoovered up by a council 300 miles away.Or are these 1,200 cases all moved to estates where locals don't want to move?

Theres plenty of social housing the North.

[nothernsoul]

London deciding it doesnt want to deal with the poor or unproductive so shunt them up North. Already stretched councils in newcastle will then have to spend even more of their resources dealing with problems of newcomers. Its also the patronising implication that by sending these people to the North of England they will be "with their own kind". The hard working, tax payers in the Northern Britain dont deserve where they live turned into a sink town. 

 

[Si1]

1 hour ago, nothernsoul said:

London deciding it doesnt want to deal with the poor or unproductive so shunt them up North. Already stretched councils in newcastle will then have to spend even more of their resources dealing with problems of newcomers. Its also the patronising implication that by sending these people to the North of England they will be "with their own kind". The hard working, tax payers in the Northern Britain dont deserve where they live turned into a sink town. 

 

This is wrong on so many counts. It's a win win. The North has the housing, London doesn't. Comparative advantage.

Edited October 29, 2018 by Si1

[spyguy]

1 hour ago, nothernsoul said:

London deciding it doesnt want to deal with the poor or unproductive so shunt them up North. Already stretched councils in newcastle will then have to spend even more of their resources dealing with problems of newcomers. Its also the patronising implication that by sending these people to the North of England they will be "with their own kind". The hard working, tax payers in the Northern Britain dont deserve where they live turned into a sink town. 

 

HB comes from central gov. Its just administered by LAs.

Maybe, by goign North and having cheaper living costs, these peopel will come off benefits.

 

[Save me from the madness!]

1 hour ago, nothernsoul said:

London deciding it doesnt want to deal with the poor or unproductive so shunt them up North. Already stretched councils in newcastle will then have to spend even more of their resources dealing with problems of newcomers. Its also the patronising implication that by sending these people to the North of England they will be "with their own kind". The hard working, tax payers in the Northern Britain dont deserve where they live turned into a sink town. 

 

There was me thinking Brexit was going to get rid of these economic migrants!

[hurlerontheditch]

17 minutes ago, Save me from the madness! said:

There was me thinking Brexit was going to get rid of these economic migrants!

 wrong thread!

[nothernsoul]

There is no comparative advantage. There would only be comparitive advantage if individuals paid for the accomodation in the north with their OWN money, and chose rationally to move because they had a skillset that would be economically valued there, with lower housing costs effectively increasing their income or prospects. Moving just because there is a free house and benefits v threat of being on the street isnt the same.

Economic resources are not just housing benefits. It includes schools, hospitals, social care which are already stretched to breaking point. 

[Giraffe]

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The government stressed that it spends more than £23bn a year on housing benefit, more than any other OECD country as a proportion of GDP on housing support.

 

OR more accurately:

 

The government, which has spent the last 15 years creating policy to pump house prices into the stratosphere, while at the same time creating a low wage economy, stressed the housing benefit taxpayer cash transfer to buy to let landlords was all of its own making.  The government also stressed that since the very same policy makers and their friends were in most cases buy to let landlords themselves, the situation will be tolerated.

[Si1]

1 hour ago, nothernsoul said:

There is no comparative advantage. There would only be comparitive advantage if individuals paid for the accomodation in the north with their OWN money, and chose rationally to move because they had a skillset that would be economically valued there, with lower housing costs effectively increasing their income or prospects. Moving just because there is a free house and benefits v threat of being on the street isnt the same.

Economic resources are not just housing benefits. It includes schools, hospitals, social care which are already stretched to breaking point. 

I'd suggest you Google it 

[iamnumerate]

On 29/10/2018 at 10:09, fru-gal said:

Don't see the problem. Plenty of people have to move out of London all the time if they can't afford to buy/rent a home there and end up commuting at great expense. There is no god-given right for homeless people to live in London if they can't afford to do so, especially if they are not working.

+100

[iamnumerate]

On 29/10/2018 at 10:48, spyguy said:

Not really.

Person goes - I want social housing.

States goes - theres some in Newcastle.

No diffirent from someone in Newcastle who wants to work in investment banking moving to London.

 

+1

Edited October 31, 2018 by iamnumerate