allfiredup Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said: Bless. Threat violence now are we? And good lord, you made a post without a derogatory comment about people with opinions different to yourself! Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, allfiredup said: Correct, and if you think its not pretty now... Bless. Threatening violence yet again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, allfiredup said: If predicting the country will "fall off a cliff etc" after brexit is threatening violence also, then sure... It's not a prediction, or a threat, it is a consequence of an action we have decided to take. And its already happening, we are already £40bn a year poorer and haven't even left yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dave Beans said: ...and what happens after no deal? There has to be a deal at some point.. There has to be a deal.....we are all interdependent.....nobody thrives well on their own, it is in our best interests that our neighbours prosper, then good fortune and well being can rub off each other.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said: Bless. Threatening violence now are we? 2 minutes ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said: Bless. Threatening violence yet again. Are you ok Hairy? you are repeating yourself.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, crouch said: No deal refers to leaving the EU on 29 March without a WA. That means that we would continue trading with the EU on some agreed basis in the interim (I can't define what the "interim" would be) until we actually agreed a comprehensive trade agreement at some future date. What agreed basis. We would have to negotiate almost instant deals with the EU from a position of extreme weakness. This would spill over into whatever long term agreement we would eventually reach. And of course it is not just the EU, it would be a fantastic opportunity for our other significant trade partners to get advantageous deals from us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Confusion of VIs said: What agreed basis. We would have to negotiate almost instant deals with the EU from a position of extreme weakness. This would spill over into whatever long term agreement we would eventually reach. And of course it is not just the EU, it would be a fantastic opportunity for our other significant trade partners to get advantageous deals from us. Our position will be stronger, not weaker, once we leave with no deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, allfiredup said: If predicting the country will "fall off a cliff etc" after brexit is threatening violence also, then sure... Thankfully no one is scared of you and your ilk. Thankfully no one will pander to your fascism. Don’t forget to wear your silly little hi-viz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 minute ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said: Thankfully no one is scared of you and your ilk. Thankfully no one will pander to your fascism. Don’t forget to wear your silly little hi-viz. Spoken like a true global elitist.. "those pesky peasants" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugsbody Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said: Thankfully no one is scared of you and your ilk. Thankfully no one will pander to your fascism. Don’t forget to wear your silly little hi-viz. Belittling another nations domestic problems is just giving dishonest brexiters more ammunition. Don't do it. @allfiredup is already trying to do this. It's dishonest and unsavoury, but it works. You're just feeding them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, allfiredup said: Are you ok Hairy? you are repeating yourself.. The default position of any xenophobe who losses their shit appears to be to accuse others of being hairy. Absolutely hilarious. Tell me another one. I’m fascinated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Just now, MonsieurCopperCrutch said: The default position of any xenophobe who losses their shit appears to be to accuse others of being hairy. Absolutely hilarious. Tell me another one. I’m fascinated. And there's the insult... welcome back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, dugsbody said: Belittling another nations domestic problems is just giving dishonest brexiters more ammunition. Don't do it. @allfiredup is already trying to do this. It's dishonest and unsavoury, but it works. You're just feeding them. That this is not related is just your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, allfiredup said: And there's the insult... welcome back Calling you what you are is not an insult. It’s a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said: Calling you what you are is not an insult. It’s a fact. I was going to post a caring reply, but it's probably not my place to, and you would likely turn it against me anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: Our position will be stronger, not weaker, once we leave with no deal. Now you are just being silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouch Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: What agreed basis. We would have to negotiate almost instant deals with the EU from a position of extreme weakness. This would spill over into whatever long term agreement we would eventually reach. And of course it is not just the EU, it would be a fantastic opportunity for our other significant trade partners to get advantageous deals from us. The obvious basis is just to continue as we have before 29 March or some other that is well, agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheeple Splinter Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 7 hours ago, rollover said: I’m sorry but I disagree with you on this. Why are you doing the same thing time and time again and expecting different result? The NINo registrations of EU and non EU citizens is not accurate measure of immigration into UK. But you already know that, do you not? I'm challenging a narrative and, to date, I've not been persuaded otherwise. Perhaps you would like to continue from where you left off last time? On 23/12/2018 at 17:28, Sheeple Splinter said: No, you missed my point, which was... … and will result in peaks/troughs in the future just like the peak shown in the linked graph. Many thanks for the offer of help. Can you reconcile the difference between these NINo figures (below) and the MSQR 11/18 figures? Figure 4: EU and non-EU long-term immigration for work-related reasons, UK, year ending June 2008 to year ending June 2018 On 24/12/2018 at 14:19, rollover said: The ONS migration figures are more accurate. The NI charts are not good to use for migration figures. 1. The NI number is delayed. 2. It doesn't show the numbers of migrants leaving, and it is not possible to figure out net migration number. 3. Non EU migrants, including students and non working family members, are probably less likely to register for NI. 4. There are probably repeated applications. A while back, I worked with Romanian guy. He had to applied 11 times go get NI. On 24/12/2018 at 23:16, Sheeple Splinter said: No, the ONS figures are not more accurate. The NINO charts are an excellent record of non-uk citizens applying for a NINO. Do you understand what the benefits of registering and receiving a NINO means for a person ? 1. Do you mean the NINO figure should be higher for all? 2. Well, that contradicts your first sentence! 3. Maybe, but why is the EU rate so much higher than the MSQR figure? 4. But, after 11 attempts he received just one NINO? For reference: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouch Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 I don't know the details but FWIW: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2019/02/23/lettersbritish-businesses-already-trading-ease-wto-rules/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: Now you are just being silly. My reasoning is as follows. WRT negotiating with the EU there are no preconditions or strings to bind us to BINO. WRT negotiating with the rest of the World, they will know we are committed to agreeing trade deals. Where as right now they think we might stay in the CU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheeple Splinter Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Peter Hun said: Again, explain how closing down the UK's car factories while moving production abroad is good for the UK? It isn't good for the UK and it wasn't when JLR and Ford production moved to the EU. Do you still believe Brexit is the reason for Honda's decision to quit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sheeple Splinter said: It isn't good for the UK and it wasn't when JLR and Ford production moved to the EU. Do you still believe Brexit is the reason for Honda's decision to quit? Honda quit because Honda got a good deal with the EU..... Edited February 23, 2019 by winkie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheeple Splinter Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said: On your part it certainly does. 1. You seem unable to understand that the figures show the number of NINOs which were active at some point during the year, not at any single point in time; and because of that overstate the actual numbers. 2. The conclusion of the report is that there is no "huge" scale understatement as is often claimed - although it concedes that it suggest there may be some (if you recall I did explain where that some most likely comes from). 3.You seen to make a quite a habit of misinterpreting information and being unable to admit to getting things wrong. As I said in my last post if you want the ONS position clarified ask them. 1. Do you want rethink this? 2. Link please and are you referring to the Romanians? 3. I disagree but I happy to be persuaded otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheeple Splinter Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, winkie said: Honda quit because Honda got a good deal with the EU..... Indeed, as did all the Japanese manufacturers exporting to the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, allfiredup said: Complete nonsense. On the ERG, you sound like every remainer on TV. You could just as easily argue it's become about leaving on the reminer MP's terms. And what disgust of the other 27? This is about the EU, not europeans. Stop trying to stir up trouble. Well of course - not everybody has had a brain wipe and been programmed with no-deal tripe. Not everybody is indulging in infantile wailing about the EU punishing us, or Merkel or Macron or fecking Catalonia. Four weeks left - enough time for the Tories to escape from under the heel of Bluekip ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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