dugsbody Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 minute ago, allfiredup said: Stopping brexit is extreme Going for a brexit option that was sold by no-one and now supported only by a minority is extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 minute ago, dugsbody said: Going for a brexit option that was sold by no-one and now supported only by a minority is extreme. Don't confuse the MP's with the population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, ****-eyed octopus said: Completely agree. I'm all for another referendum, with all the choices you could possibly desire. Once we've enacted the result of the last one. Wouldn't that be like executing a sentence of death before the appeal is held and promising a posthumous pardon if the appeal is successful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugsbody Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, allfiredup said: Don't confuse the MP's with the population. I'm not. It was sold by nobody and now only supported by the minority. It is a false result and isn't democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: Wouldn't that be like executing a sentence of death before the appeal is held and promising a posthumous pardon if the appeal is successful? No, it would be like escaping from a sentence of death and then going for an appeal after you are free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cock-eyed octopus Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: Wouldn't that be like executing a sentence of death before the appeal is held and promising a posthumous pardon if the appeal is successful? No. The possibility of rejoining still exists. As of yet resuscitating a corpse does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, dugsbody said: I'm not. It was sold by nobody and now only supported by the minority. It is a false result and isn't democracy. In your opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: Yes. The result of the UK's biggest ever failed democratic exercise. Do you still think Olly Robbins is the mutt's nuts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, allfiredup said: Don't confuse the MP's with the population. There are extremists on both sides will never change that......most people are somewhere in the middle, they will choose the best deal for them, what they want are facts not fiction, truth not lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, ****-eyed octopus said: No. The possibility of rejoining still exists. As of yet resuscitating a corpse does not. Hopefully the terms of rejoining would include joining the Euro and Schengen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugsbody Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 minute ago, allfiredup said: In your opinion The first part is fact, the second is my strong opinion. Of course, now that we have an actual outcome of what brexit means, extreme brexiters won't let the population vote on it because they know they won the last referendum based on being vague and all things to all voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, winkie said: There are extremists on both sides will never change that......most people are somewhere in the middle, they will choose the best deal for them, what they want are facts not fiction, truth not lies. Tell that to the people getting confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, dugsbody said: The first part is fact, the second is my strong opinion. Of course, now that we have an actual outcome of what brexit means, extreme brexiters won't let the population vote on it because they know they won the last referendum based on being vague and all things to all voters. In your opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: Hopefully the terms of rejoining would include joining the Euro and Schengen. It probably would. I wonder which way that might swing the vote...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Nice weather in France today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, crouch said: Unlike many I don't deny any of this. It will be difficult. But if there is a choice between BRINO and no deal I'd go for no deal. May's deal is BRINO and the political declaration means that we would still be tied to the EU so that leaves no deal as the only alternative now. ...and what happens after no deal? There has to be a deal at some point.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, dugsbody said: I've lost track. Doesn't May's "deal" simply agree to a period called a withdrawal and the terms of that? We still have to negotiate the actual future state, right? Does FOM end during the withdrawal? If so, I expect if we do go into this, brexiters will very shortly lose interest in the whole thing and breathe a sigh of relief that they can stop pretending they care about trade deals and EU laws. May's deal is can kicking par excellence. Nothing anyone will notice changes during the WA as that is the time when we are negotiating what we will eventually transition to. Legally as far as the EU is concerned we are still a member, as this is required to allow us to continue to access their trade deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, dugsbody said: The first part is fact, the second is my strong opinion. Of course, now that we have an actual outcome of what brexit means, extreme brexiters won't let the population vote on it because they know they won the last referendum election based on being vague and all things to all voters. Haha and why don't you tell that to Sourbry and her friends? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: Do you still think Olly Robbins is the mutt's nuts? He is very competent and I expect he has done exactly what he was asked to do (Including being overheard chatting in a bar frequented by journalists). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouch Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Dave Beans said: ...and what happens after no deal? There has to be a deal at some point.. No deal refers to leaving the EU on 29 March without a WA. That means that we would continue trading with the EU on some agreed basis in the interim (I can't define what the "interim" would be) until we actually agreed a comprehensive trade agreement at some future date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugsbody Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, allfiredup said: Haha and why don't you tell that to Sourbry and her friends? I don't care about Sourbry or her friends. Why would you think I do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, allfiredup said: Correct, and if you think its not pretty now... Bless. Threatening violence now are we? Edited February 23, 2019 by MonsieurCopperCrutch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugsbody Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, allfiredup said: Nice weather in France today Would you please stay on topic. Trying to hijack a domestic French issue for your brexit ideology is unpleasant and dishonest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said: Bless. Threat violence now are we? If predicting the country will "fall off a cliff etc" after brexit is threatening violence also, then sure... Edited February 23, 2019 by allfiredup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: He is very competent and I expect he has done exactly what he was asked to do (Including being overheard chatting in a bar frequented by journalists). You could be right but I suspect he has been given too much authority with the result that the tail is wagging the dog. We will probably never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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