OnionTerror Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Just now, HairyOb1 said: I can't see how, to be honest. In this I agree, yes, being part of EFTA/EEA means only seeking agreement from 4 countries, most of whom are aligned In the joint EFTA EU joint committee; and the bigger influence we can have on global rules, which feed down to the creation on EU regs for two as a kick off.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 minute ago, ccc said: 6th largest world economy. Anyone who thinks we are anything other than a very big fish in whatever pond we end up in - is completely delusional. And this is despite our useless politicians in charge of this entire affair. Of course we will do so much better when the Brexit fiasco ends with Corbyn in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, ccc said: If even ten people voted to leave due to bendy bananas I would be incredibly surprised. This must be a wind up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dave Beans said: In the joint EFTA EU joint committee; and the bigger influence we can have on global rules, which feed down to the creation on EU regs for two as a kick off.. Which global body wrote the GDPR rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 All this talk of EFTA/EEA - but nobody in government has raised this as a possibility. Even Keir Starmer doesn't want it, has been explicit - and he's not up to politically deft subterfuge. We're going to get CP, full CU or a snap election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said: Which global body wrote the GDPR rules? Fed from this... https://www.iso.org/isoiec-27001-information-security.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairyOb1 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, thehowler said: All this talk of EFTA/EEA - but nobody in government has raised this as a possibility. Even Keir Starmer doesn't want it, has been explicit - and he's not up to politically deft subterfuge. We're going to get CP, full CU or a snap election. I think it's being set up, like Dave, to fall Into EEA as part of the grace period being set, currently, to Dec 2020 (possibly May 2023) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, ccc said: If even ten people voted to leave due to bendy bananas I would be incredibly surprised. You are just being silly! Aren't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, thehowler said: All this talk of EFTA/EEA - but nobody in government has raised this as a possibility. Even Keir Starmer doesn't want it, has been explicit - and he's not up to politically deft subterfuge. We're going to get CP, full CU or a snap election. I follow Sir Keir Starmer on twitter and I think this is EXACTLY what he is working on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: I follow Sir Keir Starmer on twitter and I think this is EXACTLY what he is working on. So if he gets EFTA and then all EU members to say yes to membership - during transition, is that your view? - even though he's not in government, what's he then going to do about the NI border? EEA is not the same open passage as Single Market border controls. And, how does he deal with third country imports, Japanese motors for example? They would not be able to cross over EU borders the way they do now if we were in an EEA agreement. Trouble with this idea is that we've got it going on, the old UK, and EEA countries really don't. We're too big a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: I follow Sir Keir Starmer on twitter and I think this is EXACTLY what he is working on. When interviewed on Sunday, both he and Thornberry said they didn't want an EEA solution and implied they were aiming for something even closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Agree, if Starmer's up to anything he wants to stay in the SM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, thehowler said: So if he gets EFTA and then all EU members to say yes to membership - during transition, is that your view? - even though he's not in government, what's he then going to do about the NI border? EEA is not the same open passage as Single Market border controls. And, how does he deal with third country imports, Japanese motors for example? They would not be able to cross over EU borders the way they do now if we were in an EEA agreement. Trouble with this idea is that we've got it going on, the old UK, and EEA countries really don't. We're too big a player. He is a strong voice who can lead a majority when the general HoC vote comes on this. If not him, there are plenty of others who will. We are days away from this vote now. So much path laying is going on, it’s very clear to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 minute ago, thehowler said: Agree, if Starmer's up to anything he wants to stay in the SM. The EEA is the SM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 minute ago, GrizzlyDave said: He is a strong voice who can lead a majority when the general HoC vote comes on this. You seriously think Starmer is going to lead a breakaway group insisting the government strive to join EEA? I suppose you think Labour feverishly whipping their Lords to vote against the amendment was all part of the cunning plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 minute ago, GrizzlyDave said: The EEA is the SM. No, it's not. As Starmer pointed out in his Marr interview this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 (edited) And there is no majority in the HoC for EEA. There are many MPs who'd like to stay in the SM/CU and wish that Brexit had never happened, but they do not wake up in the morning and think, oh great, we can join the EEA. Edited May 15, 2018 by thehowler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 minute ago, thehowler said: You seriously think Starmer is going to lead a breakaway group insisting the government strive to join EEA? I suppose you think Labour feverishly whipping their Lords to vote against the amendment was all part of the cunning plan? Yes. 1 minute ago, thehowler said: No, it's not. As Starmer pointed out in his Marr interview this weekend. The EEA enables non EU countries to access the SM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 minute ago, thehowler said: And there is no majority in the HoC for EEA. There are many MPs who'd like to stay in the SM/CU and wish that Brexit had never happened, but they do not wake up in the morning and think, oh great, we can join the EEA. I’m just calling it how I see it bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Aint we all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: The EEA enables non EU countries to access the SM. Depends on the origin of goods. Works OK if you're just selling your own fish fingers. Not so good if you're selling part-imported jet engines and Nissans... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 And they have border controls - given the Irish are currently objecting to a camera appearing by the roadside I don't think that will pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 minute ago, thehowler said: Depends on the origin of goods. Works OK if you're just selling your own fish fingers. Not so good if you're selling part-imported jet engines and Nissans... Which is why we are going to be in a full or possibly partial CU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 55 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: Of course we will do so much better when the Brexit fiasco ends with Corbyn in charge. That's not the point. We ain't a small insignificant country however many time a number of remain supporters like to inform us all of. 54 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: This must be a wind up Nope. 39 minutes ago, rollover said: You are just being silly! Aren't you? No the people being silly were those who gave their reason for voting remain as "We will have longer queues when we go on holiday to Spain". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Dave Beans said: Fed from this... https://www.iso.org/isoiec-27001-information-security.html No as usual you are misconstruing the nature of regulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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