shindigger Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Watching the video, he gets shot at close range with what I presume is an AK47. This is what an AK47 bullet does to a water melon. I would have thought that at such a close range his head would have exploded. Kennedy's head did when he was shot at range. Or have they used special forces bullets? You would have thought at such a close range the pavement would have been covered in blood? The other option is that the first shot was fatal, he missed at point blank range and he died that way? Not wanting to sound like a blood thirsty ghoul, but there's no claret from that shot either. Should there be? Edited post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 And no, this isnt funny...well it will be when a suitable passage of time has elapsed. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=313_1420809005 Le Clefstone Cops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Shooting a shredder at close range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shindigger Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Hmm not so clear cut now is it? I think your theory is more likely correct, that he ultimately died from the first shot. I don't think the close range one hit him at all. Sky and all media, kept going on about the professional grouping of the shots in the cop car windscreen, and how they would have had to control the recoil. But here, he managed to shoot while running, virtually one handed, and no recoil. Different gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord D'arcy Pew Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I disagree! You can't blame a whole religion on fiifty nutters! In same way you cann't blame moderate Nazis for the gas chambers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habeas Domus Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I think we should proscribe Islam as a terrorist belief until they sort their act out. Close the Mosques, make being a muslim as unacceptable as being a drink driver. We are at war after all... Islamic fundamentalism is completely different to regular Sunni or Shia Islam, and Sunni and Shia are about as different as Catholics and Protestants. Rather like a chronic alcoholic on a major binge is different from someone just having a quiet pint. Probably the best hope for rehabilitating these nutters is bringing them back into the mainstream Sunni or Shia. Banning all the 'good' religions would only leave the extremist ones. Also 23% of the worlds population follow some sort of Islam, thats 1,800,000,000 people - do you really think they are all terrorists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Shooting a shredder at close range. interesting other videos...obviously not precision in auto, but if held right, you can empty a mag at a small target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Islamic fundamentalism is completely different to regular Sunni or Shia Islam, and Sunni and Shia are about as different as Catholics and Protestants. Rather like a chronic alcoholic on a major binge is different from someone just having a quiet pint. Probably the best hope for rehabilitating these nutters is bringing them back into the mainstream Sunni or Shia. Banning all the 'good' religions would only leave the extremist ones. Also 23% of the worlds population follow some sort of Islam, thats 1,800,000,000 people - do you really think they are all terrorists? what is the difference between a fundamentalist and the non fundamentalist please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habeas Domus Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 what is the difference between a fundamentalist and the non fundamentalist please? They take everything in the Quoran literally, like someone reading the bible and assuming that Noahs ark and the garden of eden must be real things that happened. You could say that this is down to having a poor religious education, which in many ways is worse than having no religious education at all. Most people who don't agree with their family's religious leaders will simply become secular, but some go in the opposite direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Yes the bloke on the ground was definitely not shot in the head. That's pretty clear. What that means - who knows !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erat_forte Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 what is the difference between a fundamentalist and the non fundamentalist please? The fundamentalists actually believe it, the non-fundamentalists play along for the coffee mornings? Isn't that how the CofE works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 They take everything in the Quoran literally, like someone reading the bible and assuming that Noahs ark and the garden of eden must be real things that happened. You could say that this is down to having a poor religious education, which in many ways is worse than having no religious education at all. Most people who don't agree with their family's religious leaders will simply become secular, but some go in the opposite direction. so, you are saying its the script that an uneducated literalist would misinterpret. In my experience, people of this nature dont acctually pick up the book and read...someone else tells them all about it, how it is relevant to them, and why they should find out more. If a script can be so corrupted that it results in a beleif that people who DONT practice the exact way it was written should be killed, is the script itself not an incitement to murder, and become proscribed, as well as those that follow and espouse it? Seems to me it meets every pre requisite for a murder charge...motive, malice aforthought, plenty of opportunity, and a back up service providing the means... Ban it in the UK. Export defenders to where the faith is accepted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habeas Domus Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 You are right about the interpretation, the quoran is written in Arabic, I bet most of these fundamentalists cant even read that language. But if you are going to ban religion, I think you need to ban all of them, although Russia tried that and it didnt work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 You are right about the interpretation, the quoran is written in Arabic, I bet most of these fundamentalists cant even read that language. But if you are going to ban religion, I think you need to ban all of them, although Russia tried that and it didnt work. we need to ban the one thats make war on the home nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 we need to ban the one thats make war on the home nation. But instead we give them half the government of Northern Ireland. Is that better or worse than a ban? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 But instead we give them half the government of Northern Ireland. Is that better or worse than a ban? please enlighten? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Sutton Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 If a script can be so corrupted that it results in a beleif that people who DONT practice the exact way it was written should be killed, is the script itself not an incitement to murder, and become proscribed, as well as those that follow and espouse it? Like this, you mean "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them". It actually doesn't need any corruption. Pretty unequivocal really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Kennedy was shot in the head at range with a probably a similar calibre rifle and it blows his head open. Does distance make a difference in what happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limpet Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 They take everything in the Quoran literally, like someone reading the bible and assuming that Noahs ark and the garden of eden must be real things that happened. You could say that this is down to having a poor religious education, which in many ways is worse than having no religious education at all. Most people who don't agree with their family's religious leaders will simply become secular, but some go in the opposite direction. Supposedly the Bible and the Quoran are essentially the word of God. Why would anything written by an omniscient being need any interpretation? For that matter why should it need any translating if it`s written by the supernatural. The answer is it`s obviously all a load of crap written by psychopaths to control people. I also don`t agree that being taught such a load of crap is better than being taught nothing at all. We would all be better off being given time to figure stuff out for ourselves without the child abuse of religious indoctrination. I don`t believe that any of this sh!te is able to be banned but it should just be treated with the disdain that it deserves, a bit like astrology which is equally nonsensical, and kept well away from any political power and influence. We`ve all got to basically take the piss out of it mercilessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Google has a graphic in memory of those who died at Charlie Hebdo. This would be the same Google that contributes to the suppression of free speech by oppressively gathering details of everyone's Internet searches and providing them to the CIA/NSA, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Sutton Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Supposedly the Bible and the Quoran are essentially the word of God. Why would anything written by an omniscient being need any interpretation? For that matter why should it need any translating if it`s written by the supernatural. The answer is it`s obviously all a load of crap written by psychopaths to control people. I also don`t agree that being taught such a load of crap is better than being taught nothing at all. We would all be better off being given time to figure stuff out for ourselves without the child abuse of religious indoctrination. I don`t believe that any of this sh!te is able to be banned but it should just be treated with the disdain that it deserves, a bit like astrology which is equally nonsensical, and kept well away from any political power and influence. We`ve all got to basically take the piss out of it mercilessly. Exactly. The bible is promoted as a manual on how to live your life and not burn in hell for eternity (a pretty important manual really) but is interpreted differently by nearly every adherents. Even fundies disagree. Imagine a safety manual written in such a vague manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Supposedly the Bible and the Quoran are essentially the word of God. Why would anything written by an omniscient being need any interpretation? For that matter why should it need any translating if it`s written by the supernatural. More to the point if God created all life in the universe and is all powerful could someone please explain why he's too busy to kill the infidels himself and instead has to rely on the "faithful" to do it for him. Is God lazy? The irony that God really doesn't need your help to kill me appears lost on the deluded. Why the feck would an all powerful being need the help of you to kill people. If God doesn't exist then he does need your help but then you aren't worshipping a God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Kennedy was shot in the head at range with a probably a similar calibre rifle and it blows his head open. Does distance make a difference in what happens? I have never shot anyone in the head at close range with an ak-47. However I am pretty certain not much of a head would be left - and blood and brains would be everywhere. If it was a live round in the video - even if he missed the bloke on the ground - you would have seen a big chunk of concrete from the ground - but you don't. Its a strange one. From my experience of firearms - it looks like a puff of gas out the end of the barrel you might expect from a blank. I am not an expert though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigantic Purple Slug Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I have never shot anyone in the head at close range with an ak-47. However I am pretty certain not much of a head would be left - and blood and brains would be everywhere. If it was a live round in the video - even if he missed the bloke on the ground - you would have seen a big chunk of concrete from the ground - but you don't. Its a strange one. From my experience of firearms - it looks like a puff of gas out the end of the barrel you might expect from a blank. I am not an expert though. Doesn't it depend on the ammo type ? You can get hollow point vs. standard for example. Plus reduced charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I have never shot anyone in the head at close range with an ak-47. However I am pretty certain not much of a head would be left - and blood and brains would be everywhere. If it was a live round in the video - even if he missed the bloke on the ground - you would have seen a big chunk of concrete from the ground - but you don't. Its a strange one. From my experience of firearms - it looks like a puff of gas out the end of the barrel you might expect from a blank. I am not an expert though. Probably best to keep quiet about rather sick conspiracy theories then. The man was wounded and lying on the ground. He asked for mercy. He was shot in the head and died instantly. I do not wish to be drawn into a debate about heads and exploding watermellons and bullets. Or about type of weapon or range. Suffice to say, a defenceless man was shot in the head at close range and he was murdered. He died instantly. Time to put this to rest and focus instead on the real problem here and not on right-wing nutjob conspiracies that insults the memory of those murdered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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