piece of paper Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lan...ire/7833530.stm "A 78-year-old man from Accrington collapsed and died from a heart attack after being taken to a cash machine by a bailiff to pay a £60 speeding fine." A sad consequence of our governments ignoring the bill of rights. Fixed penalties are wrong. p-o-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injustice Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 "The bailiff called at his house and said he had to make a payment, otherwise they would bring a delivery van and locksmith. He said they would get into the property and take goods and there was nothing he could do about it. Scum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y-QUERK Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Oh I look forward to when Bailiffs get more powers. Perhaps even a License to Kill. After all £60 is £60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AteMoose Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 (edited) In other news a 78 year old man with heart problems was caught speeding...and it is ok not to pay fines Edited January 16, 2009 by moosetea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 (edited) this is indicative of the power-crazed moralising b*stards with the power. Edited January 16, 2009 by Si1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live Peasant Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 The death is not being treated as suspicious. Put the case in front of a jury and let them decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagsos Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 The bailiff should be charged with manslaughter IMO. That will put that particular "profession" back in its box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 In other news a 78 year old man with heart problems was caught speeding...and it is ok not to pay fines criminalising someone for a minor motoring offense is heavy handed government. It's very easily done by otherwise good people. grey areas and all that, instead of the black-and-white holier than thou narcisistic nutters in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deflation Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Not a full story here, as usual. He was speeding on the M55 and obviously didn't pay the fine for it to go to court. He didn't appear because he was in hospital and the relatives say they wrote and told the court. Would magistrates enact collection by bailiff of they knew he was in hospital? ****-up somwhere, but why didn't he pay the fine after he got home? This is one of those case where an enquiry IS needed. More people are interested that Boy George got 15 months for false imprisonment though, its the most read story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone baby gone Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Not a full story here, as usual. He was speeding on the M55 and obviously didn't pay the fine for it to go to court. He didn't appear because he was in hospital and the relatives say they wrote and told the court. Would magistrates enact collection by bailiff of they knew he was in hospital? ****-up somwhere, but why didn't he pay the fine after he got home?This is one of those case where an enquiry IS needed. Yep, totally agree. This highlights potential problems with the existing system for collecting fines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Not a full story here, as usual. He was speeding on the M55 and obviously didn't pay the fine for it to go to court. He didn't appear because he was in hospital and the relatives say they wrote and told the court. Would magistrates enact collection by bailiff of they knew he was in hospital? ****-up somwhere, but why didn't he pay the fine after he got home?This is one of those case where an enquiry IS needed. More people are interested that Boy George got 15 months for false imprisonment though, its the most read story. He'd spent 10 days in a coma after a stroke, it might have slipped his mind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blankster Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 (edited) Fixed penalties are wrong. There's nothing wrong with fixed penalties. Possibly there's something wrong in the way they are enforced - we don't know the full story yet. Someone has probably died from a heart attack while paying money into their bank before now. Edited January 16, 2009 by blankster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 There's nothing wrong with fixed penalties. Possibly there's something wrong in the way they are enforced - we don't know the full story yet. Coercing those who have done nothing is wrong. This guy was speeding. And? Who was hurt? Nobody. Vehicles damaged? None. Well worth killing the poor old ******er over! Ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deflation Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 He'd spent 10 days in a coma after a stroke, it might have slipped his mind! Yes but his relative were aware of the court case because they say they wrote to explain. did they all 'forget' as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Yes but his relative were aware of the court case because they say they wrote to explain. did they all 'forget' as well? Forget what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deflation Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Forget what? Forget that Boy George O'Dowd is off to prison of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Als Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I reckon self-defense militias are the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 With you all the way Injin. There wasn't even a crime. Nobody injured, no criminal damage, no money stolen. It was extortion with menaces that killed him because he was frail. Courtesy of Fascist Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronpember Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 er...houseprices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piece of paper Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 There's nothing wrong with fixed penalties. Possibly there's something wrong in the way they are enforced - we don't know the full story yet. Someone has probably died from a heart attack while paying money into their bank before now. There is a lot wrong with fixed penalties. Our forebears explained to the incoming king that fines could be imposed by courts only. It is in the Bill of Rights. Calling a fine something else does not make it right. Were this old gent to have been prosecuted properly, the bench might have given him a ticking off. Fixed penalties do not allow such discretion. Any counter-argument that the courts could not deal with the number of offenders is nonsense. There are too many laws, not too many offenders. p-o-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injustice Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 There is a lot wrong with fixed penalties. Our forebears explained to the incoming king that fines could be imposed by courts only. It is in the Bill of Rights.Calling a fine something else does not make it right. Were this old gent to have been prosecuted properly, the bench might have given him a ticking off. Fixed penalties do not allow such discretion. Any counter-argument that the courts could not deal with the number of offenders is nonsense. There are too many laws, not too many offenders. p-o-p Spot on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cht Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 There is a lot wrong with fixed penalties. Our forebears explained to the incoming king that fines could be imposed by courts only. It is in the Bill of Rights.Calling a fine something else does not make it right. Were this old gent to have been prosecuted properly, the bench might have given him a ticking off. Fixed penalties do not allow such discretion. Any counter-argument that the courts could not deal with the number of offenders is nonsense. There are too many laws, not too many offenders. p-o-p +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave New World Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 In other news a 78 year old man with heart problems was caught speeding...and it is ok not to pay fines In other news the UK public roll over and allow their Government to grab even more money off them by deceiving the masses into thinking that speed is a killer and people court speeding are not being mugged of their hard earned money but evil members of public who kill and deserve to die for not paying their fines, even if you have been seriously ill and over 70. ****** speeding fines. If you looked into this dubious form of taking money from people, you would know that it is YET another way of conning the moral majority with spin, lies and mis-truths. Maybe if they gave advance driving lessons and people treated driving as not another chore that would reduce road fatalities, so stick your sheeple moralising and take Nulabia’s Publikspeak hook out of your mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y-QUERK Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I wonder what will happen to his house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wires 74 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 There's nothing wrong with fixed penalties. They are only a clear breach of English common-law going back the best part of a thousand years -thats all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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