Top 5 Atrocities Under Labour

[oracle]

So am I right in thinking that the consensus is:

Top 5 Atrocities Under Labour

1. Gordon Brown

2. John Prescott

3. Hazel Blears

4. Ruth Kelly

5. David Milliband

What about the chosen one?????...have we all forgotten about him so quickly?

[The Atomic Bull]

Brown's raid on pensions costs Britain £100 billion

Goldfinger Brown’s £2 billion blunder in the bullion market

The decision to sell 400 tons of gold since which the price of gold has almost trebled and the loss to the taxpayer has been calculated by one leading firm of accountants at more than £2 billion.

"this is no time for an novice" (lmao)

Edited October 2, 2008 by The Atomic Bull

[Methinkshe]

Back to smoking, I just want to make my position clear, I have smoked for 50 years. In the old days when most people smoked, I smoked in pubs etc, but before the ban came in, it was becoming obvious that the majority of people did not smoke and found smoke offensive. My place of work had secial smoking rooms and that seemed to answer all complaints. I cannot see why pubs etc cannot do the same, ie set aside a room for smokers.

There cannot be any objection to that if there is no bar or service in there, a room for smokers only. Surely that would answer all objecions.

BUT, the evil, Busybody, Nanny knows best, nit picking, pc, fusspot, control freak fascist Labour party has decided that it is now their policy to eradicate smoking.

This is what I object to, a freedom not yet lost but if this bunch of power crazies are left in power, what else will they decide is good for us?

Remember Torquemada the Spanish Inquisitor, he thought that the tortures and death that he inflicted were for the good of his victim's soul. Today, the Labour party, who are not at all interested in democracy, inflict their sick need to control on us 'For the good of our Health'

It wouldn't be quite so bad if they weren't so hypocritical about it. They LOVE the revenue generated from taxing smokers. If they really believed smoking was the evil they claim it to be, it would by now have been banned. As it is, the revenue from smokers pays for the NHS.

As for those people who enjoy breathing clean air, then may I suggest you stop walking down any street? Cars chuck out more damaging emissions in greater quantities than any passing cigarette smoker. And if you don't like smokey pubs or restaurants, don't frequent them! At least, that was the option until NuFascists banned smoking from all public places. (Except that pubs are not public places, they are private premises OPENED to the public at the landlord's discretion). Now there is nowhere for the smoker to enjoy a pint and a pipe. Yet the anti-smoker hasn't taken advantage of his newfound smoke-free pub - he's just sat there all smug in the knowledge that he's prevented the smoker from enjoying his habit, while the pub landlord wonders how on earth he will be able to continue to make a living. Bah, hunbug! Sanctimonious, illiberal, anti-smoking, fascist twerps. Ever heard of live and let live, of tolerance, of freedom of choice, of free markets, of freedom to choose? One would think that the anti-smoking brigade had been raised in North Korea! Even my non-smoking, teetotal, pay-the-bill-yesterday mother recognises the anti-libertarian connotation of the smoking ban. It has nothing to do with whether or not you like or dislike smoking and has everything to do with personal freedom. And if those who support the smoking ban cannot see that, then I despair for the future of this country.

[Popette]

Maybe you dont live in a street crammed full of multiple occupation terraced houses where no ones wraps rubbish carefully, uses biodegradbale bags or bothers to close their lid? I try, but then the bin men move the bins again and I am stuck with the one full of maggots once again.

I think it's disgusting

[Popette]

Maybe you dont live in a street crammed full of multiple occupation terraced houses where no ones wraps rubbish carefully, uses biodegradbale bags or bothers to close their lid? I try, but then the bin men move the bins again and I am stuck with the one full of maggots once again.

I think it's disgusting

[Ethel]

Maybe you dont live in a street crammed full of multiple occupation terraced houses where no ones wraps rubbish carefully, uses biodegradbale bags or bothers to close their lid? I try, but then the bin men move the bins again and I am stuck with the one full of maggots once again.

I think it's disgusting

Could you repeat that please.

[Guest anorthosite]

Maybe you dont live in a street crammed full of multiple occupation terraced houses where no ones wraps rubbish carefully, uses biodegradbale bags or bothers to close their lid? I try, but then the bin men move the bins again and I am stuck with the one full of maggots once again.

I think it's disgusting

You are Gareth Gates and I claim my £5

[Nicholas Cage]

.....

IMO, the war on terrorism and the ending of Sadaam's reign of terror in Iraq and his plans to subjugate Kuwait, Saudi, Syria and Iran will be seen as a positive by the historians of the next generation. I see these terrorists such as Sadaam, the Taliban and characters such as Amourdinnerjacket as the greatest threats to human dignity and liberty that exist. Tin pot Hitler wannabe's IMO who think they can set themselves up as aboslute monarchs and invade neighbours at will while using religion as an opiate to frighten people into submission and as a diversionary tactic to blame the West for all their troubles despite having billions in oil and opium sales (Taliban's "oil") to keep their leaders in life's finer things.

USA invade Syria http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7692153.stm

US helicopter-borne troops have carried out a raid inside Syria along the Iraqi border, killing eight people including a woman, Syrian authorities say.

[Woot]

1/ The ilegal war in Iraq

2/ No more boom and bust pledge

3/ Ramps and speed cameras

4/ No election when Blair went

5/ No EU referendum

6/ Brown allowed to take over unelected

7/The smoking ban

Whoops it was only supposed to be 5 but I couldn't stop.

Is there anymore ? Or should the list be changed ?

Selling off our gold reserves for tuppence.

[A.steve]

The smoking ban agood thing ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Try telling that to the pub landlords. Who incidentally were assured that their pubs would be filled by non smokers who didnt like the smoke.

Where are they ?

I think the smoking ban is a very curious development.

I am a non-smoker (of an extreme kind, few can say they've never tried once) - I do (and did) frequent pubs... and - all things being equal - it is more pleasant without the cigarette smoke, for me. I did not support the introduction of the ban - but I wouldn't oppose it either. It frustrates me that smoking friends end up breaking-off conversations to pop outside for a smoke... it seems especially unpleasant as it was rarely a big deal for me if others smoked (courteous practice - which was almost always the case - assumed.) Conversely, I've met a myriad who said that they only smoked when they drank - and many more (especially younger people) who saw banning smoking in bars as a sufficient hint to stop smoking cold-turkey. I can see how it impacts seasoned smokers - and I don't have an answer there - without undermining the positives. I think I'm in the curious position that I'm more in favour of the outcomes from the ban than I am against them... even though the mechanism by which these outcomes were achieved were an anathema to how I think people should be treated. I find it extremely curious that where the health of the nation was considered, in the context of smoking, to trump free choice - exactly the opposite was adopted in the context of extended drinking hours. I enjoy the odd drink - and I found the relaxation of hours an undesirable change... there was always a sense of time and ritual, for example, about going out before last orders... an experience which is now lost as time across England stops being regulated by a bell at 11pm.

Aside from misleading the public over the Iraq war; lying repeatedly about cash for honours and cash for F1 exemption; shambolic/corrupt monetary policy & tripartite shenanigans involving appointing those known to be dishonest/inept to the FSA; misrepresentation of intentions with respect to EU membership (I don't care either way - I just wish our politicians were honest about what they intend); retro-taxing pensions; supporting incomprehensible legislation (such as 42 days without charge; updated tax laws - etc.)?

I guess we have to give Brown some credit, however, for canning the stupendously corrupt plan to build super-casinos... though the current government approved them in the first place - an act I think massively betrayed the electorate.

[thecrashingisles]

I find it extremely curious that where the health of the nation was considered, in the context of smoking, to trump free choice

I don't think that's the right way of thinking about it. Before the ban it wasn't possible to conduct a full social life without compromising your health. Where was the free choice in that?

[A.steve]

I don't think that's the right way of thinking about it. Before the ban it wasn't possible to conduct a full social life without compromising your health. Where was the free choice in that?

You misunderstand my point. I don't contradict your view...

My point is that the consequences of encouraging binge drinking (which I argue that the relaxation of licensing laws did) were counter to the health of the population - including not only those who drink too much, but including those who are in proximity to those who've drunk too much.

A pro-smoking-freedom perspective is that banning everywhere was too heavy handed... since they would be happy if there was also provision for bars only for smokers. I find preventing the existence of such a bar - independent of the wishes of all (for arguments' sake) all the patrons, staff and the proprietor... very difficult to square with my liberal philosophy.

P.S. Please don't point out my hypocrisy at opposing super-casinos... I think my objection was principally to the hype and marketing - rather than to individuals who seek out opportunities to gamble.

Edited October 26, 2008 by A.steve

[D.C.]

Health of the nation must always trump free choice.

That is why I'm supportive of:

Complete ban on alcohol.

Complete ban on chocolate, cakes and all sugary food/drinks.

Forced starvation of fat people.

Every person in the country to be forced to do one hours exercise four times a week.

Oh wait, maybe I'll just ave a fag and a glass of wine instead...

[jammo]

Laws that would've gave Hitler a hard-on, ie:

The government can ban any groups it labels ‘terrorist’

Terrorism Act 2000

The government can monitor any and all private communication

Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000

Armed forces can be deployed on UK soil in peacetime

Civil Contingencies Act 2004

Property and assets can be seized without warning or compensation

Civil Contingencies Act 2004

Spontaneous protest is now illegal around Parliament

Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005

Without trial, any British citizen can be tagged, put under house arrest and banned from using the telephone or internet

Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005

Any citizen can be imprisoned without charge for 28 days (42 days has passed the house of commons)

Terrorism Act 2006

The executive can change any current legislation without consulting Parliament, with very few exceptions

Legislative and Regulatory Reform Act 2006

Arbitrary punishments with no legal precedents can be issued with little legal recourse, based on hearsay evidence

Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003

British citizens can be extradicted to the United States with no evidence presented

Extradition Act 2003

Compulsory identification for all British citizens, with an unlimited amount of details stored in a central database, which the private sector will have access to

Identity Cards Act 2006

Upon arrest the police have claim to your DNA, even if you are released without charge

Criminal Justice Act 2003

http://www.protests.org.uk/

[oracle]

You misunderstand my point. I don't contradict your view...

My point is that the consequences of encouraging binge drinking (which I argue that the relaxation of licensing laws did) were counter to the health of the population - including not only those who drink too much, but including those who are in proximity to those who've drunk too much.

A pro-smoking-freedom perspective is that banning everywhere was too heavy handed... since they would be happy if there was also provision for bars only for smokers. I find preventing the existence of such a bar - independent of the wishes of all (for arguments' sake) all the patrons, staff and the proprietor... very difficult to square with my liberal philosophy.

P.S. Please don't point out my hypocrisy at opposing super-casinos... I think my objection was principally to the hype and marketing - rather than to individuals who seek out opportunities to gamble.

One of my associate in the local watering hole is a fairly senior criminal lawyer.

He's telling me that the police have always been opposing the relaxation of drinking rules,and they have recorded evidence that assaults,and arrests for early-morning drink-drive offences have gone through the roof since it was adopted.

so much for things like the smoking ban being for public health,when it seems to have achieved quite the opposite.

I didn't ask my lawyer friend about incidents of domestic violence,but I'm sure with more people now drinking at home in front of their partner,this will have increased considerably.

[1929crash]

1/ The ilegal war in Iraq

2/ No more boom and bust pledge

3/ Ramps and speed cameras

4/ No election when Blair went

5/ No EU referendum

6/ Brown allowed to take over unelected

7/The smoking ban

Whoops it was only supposed to be 5 but I couldn't stop.

Is there anymore ? Or should the list be changed ?

You forgot Aghanistan and Harriet Harman.

[petetong]

"But hey, let's not be negative. The positives are:

1/ Peace in Northern Ireland.

err... help me out here"

How long do think peace is gonna last with the oncoming economic tusnami ?

[1929crash]

"But hey, let's not be negative. The positives are:

1/ Peace in Northern Ireland.

err... help me out here"

How long do think peace is gonna last with the oncoming economic tusnami ?

That wasn't Labour. That was the hand of history.

[Guest mattsta1964]

You forgot Aghanistan and Harriet Harman.

Seriously! Where does one start?

I can't find adjectives strong enough to describe my feelings about this government...........or the tories actually

They are all despicable

Edited October 27, 2008 by mattsta1964