Byron Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Is there no depths to which the left will sink? Obviously they do not believe in democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Pretty obvious that she has been targeted for destruction. Perhaps they've learned the lesson of Trump and are going in extra hard to make sure she gets stamped into the earth. Still, it shows what a threat she is and how much the establishment feels threatened in general at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail the Tripod Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 48 minutes ago, Byron said: Is there no depths to which the left will sink? Obviously they do not believe in democracy. I don't get it. She's been only had immunity lifted from any prosecution relating to her tweeting pictures of ISIS horrors. The French state are at war with ISIS. What could they realistically charge her with that won't ultimately play directly into her hands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgul Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Byron said: Is there no depths to which the left will sink? Obviously they do not believe in democracy. Not left, established politics. They've been hurt in UK and US, and they're fighting back for their lives (well, their gold plated pensions and book deals). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Hail the Tripod said: I don't get it. She's been only had immunity lifted from any prosecution relating to her tweeting pictures of ISIS horrors. The French state are at war with ISIS. What could they realistically charge her with that won't ultimately play directly into her hands? If they want to bury her the penalty for being found guilty could be up to 3 years in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleMeat Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 It is the EU interfering with member states elections. I am sure we will see more of it in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 Probably be worth more than a few votes for her, people do not like to see bullying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunko2010 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 When's Barry gonna appear telling the French people theyll be a arrière de la file d'attente for voting for her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richc Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I've been driving around in the south of France for the past few days. It's interesting that the only political posters to be seen are for Le Pen and the FN. It's exactly the same as the US a few months before Trump's election. Normally, there would have been political signs for all the candidates all over, but last year, the only ones to be seen were for Trump (or Sanders). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 2 hours ago, richc said: I've been driving around in the south of France for the past few days. It's interesting that the only political posters to be seen are for Le Pen and the FN. It's exactly the same as the US a few months before Trump's election. Normally, there would have been political signs for all the candidates all over, but last year, the only ones to be seen were for Trump (or Sanders). That's really interesting. Did you get a chance to speak to any French about the election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Having f*cked up the handling of the UK prior to the 2016 Referendum the EU is now going for a double with France. Given they can't possibly that dumb twice is there some deep laid plot here I am missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen_out Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 So transparent. We didn't fall for it, the US didn't fall for it, if the French don't fall for it I'm expecting a full on suspension of democracy or direct vote rigging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expanding Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I think after the Paris and Nice terror attacks a lot of French will have decided to vote Le Pen. How long has the "temporary" state of emergency existed in France now? 18 months? And the French PM says the French will just have to get used to terrorism. If I was French I would be angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prodigal sheeple Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 50 minutes ago, frozen_out said: So transparent. We didn't fall for it, the US didn't fall for it, if the French don't fall for it I'm expecting a full on suspension of democracy or direct vote rigging. The Austrian election was suspended twice after voting 'irregularities'. After which Hofer declared that he would accept the third election without questioning the postal vote. The first two elections would have resulted in a narrow win for Hofer if the "irregular' votes had been discounted. The third election resulted in a huge majority for the left. Clearly no fraud there. Surely the left would not have taken advantage of Hofer's statement to stuff the ballot boxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunko2010 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Sounds like the EU's handiwork. Getting the vote to take place again until the correct result is received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepLurker Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 16 hours ago, richc said: I've been driving around in the south of France for the past few days. It's interesting that the only political posters to be seen are for Le Pen and the FN. It's exactly the same as the US a few months before Trump's election. Normally, there would have been political signs for all the candidates all over, but last year, the only ones to be seen were for Trump (or Sanders). I presume you're in the South-East? The FN have had a strong following there for years. I live in the South-West, and now that you mention it, I've seen no political posters. Anecdotally, when I discuss politics here with under-40s, the following subjects are popular: citizen's income, cost of housing, globalisation, outsourcing, and reducing the working week in order to share work with the unemployed. There are no candidates that speak this language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 One thing about Le Pen, even if she does win the presidential she will be unlikely to have or be able to form a parliamentary majority to govern, or govern how she wants. At least Trump, notionally, has the Republican party. Anyway the establishment have obviously decided to replace Hollande with Macron (son of Hollande). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddog Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 hour ago, davidg said: One thing about Le Pen, even if she does win the presidential she will be unlikely to have or be able to form a parliamentary majority to govern, or govern how she wants. At least Trump, notionally, has the Republican party. Anyway the establishment have obviously decided to replace Hollande with Macron (son of Hollande). Must admit I don't fully understand the system, but I thought it was winner takes all in the run off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUBanana Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 18 minutes ago, reddog said: Must admit I don't fully understand the system, but I thought it was winner takes all in the run off? France is complicated... they have a president AND a prime minister, and they don't have to agree with each other. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohabitation_(government)#France Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddog Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 2 hours ago, EUBanana said: France is complicated... they have a president AND a prime minister, and they don't have to agree with each other. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohabitation_(government)#France I'm pretty sure the president appointments the prime minister, so they are in the same party. I got this info off a French colleague (he said there have been disagreements in the past when the prime minister was in power) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richc Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 7 hours ago, DeepLurker said: I presume you're in the South-East? The FN have had a strong following there for years. I live in the South-West, and now that you mention it, I've seen no political posters. Anecdotally, when I discuss politics here with under-40s, the following subjects are popular: citizen's income, cost of housing, globalisation, outsourcing, and reducing the working week in order to share work with the unemployed. There are no candidates that speak this language. Drove from Toulouse area over to Avignon. There are plenty of FN signs in the Tarn, where I have a house. I tend not to discuss politics with the people in our village, as people are in one of two camps -- traditional rural voters who have probably migrated to FN but don't really want to discuss it, or unemployed eco-terrorists who don't have the most realistic expectations of how an advanced society is able to function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUBanana Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 6 hours ago, richc said: unemployed eco-terrorists who don't have the most realistic expectations of how an advanced society is able to function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allez_L'OM Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 2 things - Firstly, the apparent Brit desire for others to join them in leaving the EU seems a bit desperate, almost as if many regret their decision to vote to leave. Secondly, the issues affecting the french elections (presidential, followed immediately by legislative) are very different to the hot political topics in the UK. Moreover, MLP is generally recognised by all but the most pig-headed as a demagogue and only the naive anticipate any good coming out of a return to the French franc, seeing as when the conversion to euros took place everyone lost about 10-20% of their purchasing power (and this would likely be doubled if converting back). Long story short, people often vote 'blanc' or FN in the first round (as a protest vote) and then take it more seriously the following sunday, in the run-off. One might say this is a perverse effect encouraged by the two-round system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 18 minutes ago, Allez_L'OM said: 2 things - Firstly, the apparent Brit desire for others to join them in leaving the EU seems a bit desperate, almost as if many regret their decision to vote to leave. Rubbish; I am absolutely delighted to be Brexiting. There are two aspects to wanting others to leave: The EU central bureaucracy would like to penalise the UK for leaving to try to stop others from so doing. If France and Holland were both also leaving then this would be the death knell for the EU and so spike its guns. General dislike of the EU as a supranational level of government and desire to see it collapse and the independent nation states re-emerge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Allez_L'OM said: One might say this is a perverse effect encouraged by the two-round system. Isn't this two roung system why the left have done a hatchet job on Fillon rather than on MLP? The result will be MLP v Leftist in the run off, the left believe voters will find MLP so distasteful, they will vote left. But what could happen is voters find the left so distasteful, they vote MLP. Echoing Clinton v Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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