ccc Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 4 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said: That's one side of the equation, the other is our new trade partner will regards a trade deal with the EU as much more valuable than one with just the UK Let's just put this nonsense argument to bed once and for all. We are the 6th most important country on the planet for others to do a trade deal with out of 196. This constant referral to the EU being more important than us really is incredibly weak. Countries will be lining up to do deals with us. End of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futuroid Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 7 hours ago, Sheeple Splinter said: Up yours, Cameron! I don't think anyone in the Conservative party really wants the keys to number 10 at the moment. Another election would be an indulgence too far at this point (cost £100-200 million down the drain and another 6-8 weeks out of the Brexit negotiating schedule) and imagine if the Tories lost big, which is looking quite likely? The DUP MPs apparently aren't even physically at the UK parliament full time, and the "Salisbury convention" (the HOL waving through anything that appeared in the governing party's manifesto) does not apply if there is no outright majority! All it will take is a few Tories or DUP members to get the flu and TM has no majority. Once her inability to get anything through parliament becomes apparent, there will likely be another GE this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 3 hours ago, ccc said: Let's just put this nonsense argument to bed once and for all. We are the 6th most important country on the planet for others to do a trade deal with out of 196. This constant referral to the EU being more important than us really is incredibly weak. Countries will be lining up to do deals with us. End of story. They'll be lining up to exploit our desperation to be seen to be doing deals. If Australia and India, to take two commonwealth examples, were so keen on free trade, why do they not have an FTA with each other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 3 hours ago, ccc said: Let's just put this nonsense argument to bed once and for all. We are the 6th most important country on the planet for others to do a trade deal with out of 196. This constant referral to the EU being more important than us really is incredibly weak. Countries will be lining up to do deals with us. End of story. Why do you assume Britain will stay the 6th most important country on the planet outside the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 5 hours ago, ccc said: Let's just put this nonsense argument to bed once and for all. We are the 6th most important country on the planet for others to do a trade deal with out of 196. This constant referral to the EU being more important than us really is incredibly weak. Countries will be lining up to do deals with us. End of story. Go on then let's hear your reasoned argument as to why it's nonsense. Clue blathering on about us being the 6th largest economy doesn't constitute a reasoned argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slawek Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 5 hours ago, ccc said: Let's just put this nonsense argument to bed once and for all. We are the 6th most important country on the planet for others to do a trade deal with out of 196. This constant referral to the EU being more important than us really is incredibly weak. Countries will be lining up to do deals with us. End of story. The EU is the second most important economy in the world (if you use nominal GDP), easily overshadows the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) Quote UK running out of time for Brexit talks, EU's chief negotiator warns Mr Barnier told the Financial Times: "My preoccupation is that time is passing, it is passing quicker than anyone believes because the subjects we have to deal with are extraordinarily complex. "It will take us several months to draw out the conditions of an orderly withdrawal. Let’s not waste time. "I’ll say it clearly: there’s no spirit of revenge, no punishment, no naivety either. And there is truth. Truth on what Brexit means, what leaving the EU signifies by its consequences. The citizens have the right to know." "Lots" of Britons underestimated what those consequences would be, he added. The European Union's chief negotiator has said "I can't negotiate with myself". Independent I have read that the Brexit negotiations could be delayed for a year, on top of a year already passed since the Brexit referendum. Edited June 13, 2017 by rollover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funn3r Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 5 hours ago, ccc said: Countries will be lining up to do deals with us. End of story. That's right you have to keep thinking positive. I am looking forward to Saturday night at our local disco when hot model-type girls will be lining up for me. Can't not happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Futuroid said: I don't think anyone in the Conservative party really wants the keys to number 10 at the moment. Another election would be an indulgence too far at this point (cost £100-200 million down the drain and another 6-8 weeks out of the Brexit negotiating schedule) and imagine if the Tories lost big, which is looking quite likely? The DUP MPs apparently aren't even physically at the UK parliament full time, and the "Salisbury convention" (the HOL waving through anything that appeared in the governing party's manifesto) does not apply if there is no outright majority! All it will take is a few Tories or DUP members to get the flu and TM has no majority. Once her inability to get anything through parliament becomes apparent, there will likely be another GE this year. Which is why the queens speech will be very short. honestly - what a complete mess. still maybe the pain is needed in order to properly trash the Tories. Keep your powder dry Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 2 hours ago, thecrashingisles said: They'll be lining up to exploit our desperation to be seen to be doing deals. If Australia and India, to take two commonwealth examples, were so keen on free trade, why do they not have an FTA with each other? I have no idea. We are talking about the UK here. And the fact that however messed up this place already is - we are still incredibly attractive for nearly every country in the World to trade with. 2 hours ago, rollover said: Why do you assume Britain will stay the 6th most important country on the planet outside the EU? Because I don't know and either do you so what's your point ? We may move up to 5th. We may move down to 7th. Really makes very little difference. Unless we slip massively then we are an important trading nation. End of story. 56 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: Go on then let's hear your reasoned argument as to why it's nonsense. Clue blathering on about us being the 6th largest economy doesn't constitute a reasoned argument. So ask me for an explanation and in the process point out what I am not allowed to respond with. Brilliant. Us being one of the Worlds prime trading nations DOES constitute a reasoned argument. To think otherwise is absolute bonkers. Why are you so bothered with us trading with the EU because they are an 'Important' trading bloc ? What's the difference ? We are important within the EU - we are important outwith the EU. There's very little else to be said on the matter. 47 minutes ago, slawek said: The EU is the second most important economy in the world (if you use nominal GDP), easily overshadows the UK. Well that's fantastic. It adds nothing to the point I was making though. We are right at the top of the list of trading nations/blocs of the World. This in undeniable. 29 minutes ago, Funn3r said: That's right you have to keep thinking positive. I am looking forward to Saturday night at our local disco when hot model-type girls will be lining up for me. Can't not happen. What's 'positive' about just realising that the UK is seen as a very important global trading nation ? Its just a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 33 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: Which is why the queens speech will be very short. honestly - what a complete mess. still maybe the pain is needed in order to properly trash the Tories. Keep your powder dry Labour. This is at last something I think all on this thread agree upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, ccc said: Because I don't know and either do you so what's your point ? We may move up to 5th. We may move down to 7th. Really makes very little difference. Unless we slip massively then we are an important trading nation. End of story. But don't you realise it's only because of the EU that we're not comparable with, say Sudan, and we'll be there within a couple of years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) Quote Theresa May urged to adopt Labour-style approach to Brexit - politics live Guardian Tories try to spread the blame. Edited June 13, 2017 by rollover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 1 hour ago, ccc said: I have no idea. We are talking about the UK here. And the fact that however messed up this place already is - we are still incredibly attractive for nearly every country in the World to trade with. Because I don't know and either do you so what's your point ? We may move up to 5th. We may move down to 7th. Really makes very little difference. Unless we slip massively then we are an important trading nation. End of story. So ask me for an explanation and in the process point out what I am not allowed to respond with. Brilliant. Us being one of the Worlds prime trading nations DOES constitute a reasoned argument. To think otherwise is absolute bonkers. Why are you so bothered with us trading with the EU because they are an 'Important' trading bloc ? What's the difference ? We are important within the EU - we are important outwith the EU. There's very little else to be said on the matter. Well that's fantastic. It adds nothing to the point I was making though. We are right at the top of the list of trading nations/blocs of the World. This in undeniable. What's 'positive' about just realising that the UK is seen as a very important global trading nation ? Its just a fact. So you admit you have no idea what drives trade deals, yet feel qualified to opine that the rest of the world will be queueing up to give us favourable trade deals. Anyway its all academic, another one of those great big dots you are unable to join up has just appeared: https://www.forexfactory.com/news.php?do=news&id=672917 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Riedquat said: But don't you realise it's only because of the EU that we're not comparable with, say Sudan, and we'll be there within a couple of years! Ah yes - stupid me !! 1 minute ago, Confusion of VIs said: So you admit you have no idea what drives trade deals, yet feel qualified to opine that the rest of the world will be queueing up to give us favourable trade deals. Anyway its all academic, another one of those great big dots you are unable to join up has just appeared: https://www.forexfactory.com/news.php?do=news&id=672917 I have an idea what drives trade deals at a high level. TRADE. Its fairly self explanatory. I don't know the specific details of the one you asked about and I really cannot be bothered delving deep into it. We are talking about the UK here. As for the link - can't see any detail. Feel free to explain to us simpletons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashinmattress Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 1 minute ago, ccc said: Ah yes - stupid me !! Yep. You voted for and still blindly support Brexit...and remain so blatantly ambivalent to Westminster's mishandling of the UK. EU bad. Haha. Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 25 minutes ago, ccc said: Ah yes - stupid me !! That explains a lot! Well, an interesting twist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 2 hours ago, ccc said: I have no idea. We are talking about the UK here. And the fact that however messed up this place already is - we are still incredibly attractive for nearly every country in the World to trade with.. 18 minutes ago, cashinmattress said: Yep. You voted for and still blindly support Brexit...and remain so blatantly ambivalent to Westminster's mishandling of the UK. EU bad. Haha. Really? Attention to detail ain't your strong point is it. That was barely two hours ago. 5 minutes ago, rollover said: That explains a lot! Well, an interesting twist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 2 hours ago, ccc said: Ah yes - stupid me !! I have an idea what drives trade deals at a high level. TRADE. Its fairly self explanatory. I don't know the specific details of the one you asked about and I really cannot be bothered delving deep into it. We are talking about the UK here. As for the link - can't see any detail. Feel free to explain to us simpletons. There you are, I don't think it really needs much explanation. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-eu-withdrawal-open-doors-change-mind-german-finance-minister-wolfgang-sch-uble-a7787736.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashinmattress Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 2 hours ago, ccc said: Attention to detail ain't your strong point is it. You and your xenophobic pals here mistook exit polls for exit Poles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Quote Theresa May should admit result is a rejection of hard Brexit, says EU negotiator Guy Verhofstadt urged the Conservative party to no longer allow “your internal catfight” to put prosperity at risk in both Britain and the EU. “It is currently unclear if the UK government will stick to the hard Brexit it announced in her letter of 29 March, or if they will soften their approach after the outcome of the election,” Mr Verhofstadt said. “In my humble opinion, the refusal of a hard Brexit was one of the elements that influenced the results.” He told the Tory party: “For years now already, your internal catfight, that started under Cameron, has taken the EU hostage and has been hampering your as our economy. “It is blocking us from further reforming and modernizing the Union. Frankly, we have seen enough of it.” At a Brussels press conference, he urged Ms May to change direction, saying: “Brexit isn’t just about the Tories leaving the EU, it's about the whole UK. Everyone’s voice should be heard.” Independent Strong words coming from EU, they are becoming bit impatient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) Regardless of whether we agree with him or not, Mr. Verhofstadt should probably keep his mouth shut and his nose out of our business. He should limit his comments to matters on his side of the negotiating table only, and not matters concerning elections in other sovereign nations. Grossly unprofessional, in my view. I would just cut the EU off now and leave tonight. We owe them nothing and are not obliged to negotiate anything with them at all. Edited June 13, 2017 by Errol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Remainers and EUrophiles seem to love trying to claim that the result of the election is due to the Conservative's Brexit stance. It's about as blatant a case of trying to twist anything to your own agenda that isn't backed up by facts as you can get. Nothing changed in the campaign about Brexit, and the Conservatives were looking strong then. It's just sheer desperation to claim that it said anything at all about Brexit, one way or the other. It had a lot to do with headlines with "Dementia Tax!" and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Riedquat said: Remainers and EUrophiles seem to love trying to claim that the result of the election is due to the Conservative's Brexit stance. It's about as blatant a case of trying to twist anything to your own agenda that isn't backed up by facts as you can get. Nothing changed in the campaign about Brexit, and the Conservatives were looking strong then. It's just sheer desperation to claim that it said anything at all about Brexit, one way or the other. It had a lot to do with headlines with "Dementia Tax!" and so on. You lost, get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, pig said: You lost, get over it. What have I lost? I didn't even vote Conservative but spoiled my paper in the end. I voted for no-one, and no-one won! I was considering it when the election was announced but I didn't like anything about all the non-Brexit stuff in their campaign. There is more to life than staying or leaving the EU you know. From a practical view the election result makes the job of the government pushing through whatever they want much harder, if not impossible. I wouldn't even say that that's a bad thing, but it'll depend upon the details. Stating that it's a rejection of Brexit by the population though is not supported by any evidence and is desperate twisting wishful thinking by Remainers and, it appears, the EU itself. Edited June 13, 2017 by Riedquat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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