Universal Credit New Thread.complete Disaster.

[winkie]

Any ideas what will be replacing PPI in August?.......?

[longgone]

Seems there is a U-turn on rents being paid to tenent not landlord. Not good news.

[mrtickle]

That's two hammer blows in one day

 

[Council estate capitalist]

22 hours ago, winkie said:

Any ideas what will be replacing PPI in August?.......?

I'm hoping mold illness claims against scumbag landlords.

Lawyers in America say, Mold = Gold. 

[winkie]

2 hours ago, Council estate capitalist said:

I'm hoping mold illness claims against scumbag landlords.

Lawyers in America say, Mold = Gold. 

We have had the whiplash fiasco......the holiday food poisoning, what about the extortionate payday loans?.......where those with the least are forced to pay the most?.....blame and claim.

[crazypabs]

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/universal-credit-personal-welfare

Speech by Amber Rudd regarding UC in parliament.

[scottbeard]

I can't help feeling that there has been so much negative baggage now associated with the words "Universal Credit" that it's now the new 'poll tax' and the next time Labour are in power it will be abolished (indeed the pledge to abolish it will be one of the cornerstones of their election campaign).

Universal Credit always seemed a sensible idea to me - give a single benefit to reduce admin associated with 5-6 benefits - but it's been rolled out so slowly, and with so many problems along the way, that it seems the voting public are sick of it before it's even been fully implemented.

It's almost unbelievable that this thread started in 2013 and yet in 2019 it's still nowhere close to being fully and competently rolled out. 

[iamnumerate]

1 hour ago, scottbeard said:

I can't help feeling that there has been so much negative baggage now associated with the words "Universal Credit" that it's now the new 'poll tax' and the next time Labour are in power it will be abolished (indeed the pledge to abolish it will be one of the cornerstones of their election campaign).

Universal Credit always seemed a sensible idea to me - give a single benefit to reduce admin associated with 5-6 benefits - but it's been rolled out so slowly, and with so many problems along the way, that it seems the voting public are sick of it before it's even been fully implemented.

It's almost unbelievable that this thread started in 2013 and yet in 2019 it's still nowhere close to being fully and competently rolled out. 

It seemed a sensible idea in principle, but I was not sure if it would be easy enough to make worthwhile.  To be honest the benefit cap in many ways did the job, what people care is that those on benefits don't get too much money.

A much better idea would have been trying some form of workfare for people on full time benefits and tax credits to do. I.e. you have to do x number of hours work to get them so to get tax credits you need to work 16 hours in a job and x hours for the council keeping the street clean or something

[mrtickle]

5 hours ago, scottbeard said:

It's almost unbelievable that this thread started in 2013 and yet in 2019 it's still nowhere close to being fully and competently rolled out. 

IIRC it started under Labour, but had cross-party support, like HS2 did.

2013 was either the original or one of the postponed deadlines! I'm tired of the BBC reporting that some 2018 or 2019 deadline will be missed, as if it's only a small delay - it's ALREADY FIVE FULL YEARS LATE.

 

 

 

[Council estate capitalist]

18 minutes ago, mrtickle said:

IIRC it started under Labour, but had cross-party support, like HS2 did.

2013 was either the original or one of the postponed deadlines! I'm tired of the BBC reporting that some 2018 or 2019 deadline will be missed, as if it's only a small delay - it's ALREADY FIVE FULL YEARS LATE.

The current target of 2023 is crazy, It's the moving people from the old benefits that is holding it all up mostly, + losing several court cases isn't helping to get it finished. 

They are now in the rather absurd situation where there's 2 parallel benefits systems, one of which much more generous to those who are "grandfathered in" under the old rules, I imagine some people will not take jobs/move house/move in as a couple to avoid the loss in benefits that occurs if they are forcibly moved to UC. 

For example if you move from JSA to UC and get DLA/PIP then you lose £1700ish a year. 

I liken the shambolic roll out of UC to the way they scrapped DLA and introduced PIP for working age claimants, All of the DLA claimants were supposed to be reassessed about 5 years ago but I know people still claiming who have yet to be contacted (Who if they were would definitely not get it)

[Tulip_mania]

New claimants should all be on UC now, so with the 5 year scheduled roll out, it would make sense to focus on transferring families where the youngest is under 12 as the rest will automatically roll off the books in that timescale anyway.  Which should reduce the number of transfers to be done by ~1/3 for Family/Child Tax credits. Increases in the Minimum Wage/minimum hours requirement will mostly do away with WTC for those without kids.

You can't say everyone loses it's  a bit more complicated, as although there are losers, there are also winners, though on average it is a bit less.

They need to reduce the 'taper rate' (% reduction for each extra £ earned) to increase the work incentive, even if it requires continuing the freeze on the overall amounts.

[mrtickle]

Funny how we never hear about the winners, isn't it?

It's also massive articles showcasing how much someone will "lose" (it's not money taken away from them, it's less money being given to them - subtly but critically different). And that "loss" is ALWAYS STATED WITHOUT CONTEXT. £X amount less given to them OUT OF HOW MUCH BEFORE? Is it a 5% or a 50%? Etc.

 

Edited January 14, 2019 by mrtickle

[Qetesuesi]

12 hours ago, mrtickle said:

Funny how we never hear about the winners, isn't it?

It's also massive articles showcasing how much someone will "lose" (it's not money taken away from them, it's less money being given to them - subtly but critically different). 

 

But we can't start asking questions like this without going further and asking if the tax system as a whole is fair.  Maybe these people ought to be being paid more in the first place, then the question of UC wouldn't arise in this form.

[mrtickle]

7 hours ago, Qetesuesi said:

But we can't start asking questions like this without going further and asking if the tax system as a whole is fair.  

Yes we can.

 

[The Preacherman]

ONS accuse DWP of not being transparent with universal credit statistics. 

 

 

Edited April 23, 2020 by The Preacherman

[sPinwheel]

On 15/01/2019 at 18:32, mrtickle said:

Yes we can.

 

Ask all you want. Nobody is listening and even less care.

[mrtickle]

On 26/04/2020 at 13:05, sPinwheel said:

Ask all you want. Nobody is listening and even less care.

Thankyou for your opinion.