The XYY Man Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I have just witnessed the most cynical and sickening piece of manipulative television I have ever seen in that so-called 'Party Political Broadcast' by the Tories on Channel 4 at 7 o'clock. . To Mr Cameron and all his bum-chums, I really hope that one day I get to take a sh1t on your collective graves.... XYY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thombleached Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 No better/worse than pimping off a 16 yr old in front of the world to argue a point caused by yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkz Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 This one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Creation Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I have just witnessed the most cynical and sickening piece of manipulative television I have ever seen in that so-called 'Party Political Broadcast' by the Tories on Channel 4 at 7 o'clock. . To Mr Cameron and all his bum-chums, I really hope that one day I get to take a sh1t on your collective graves.... XYY So, you'll be voting Conservative then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWallace Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I don't get it. Since when have the Tories got all upset about this sort of stuff? It's surely just another PR branding exercise like when call me Dave was doing his 'hug a hoodie' or looking at melting ice in Norrway? If the Tories thought this was so terrible why are they so insistent on deporting people back to those places? It's like they're ashamed of who they are, which I wouldn't totally argue that they shouldn't be I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_w_ Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 No better/worse than pimping off a 16 yr old in front of the world to argue a point caused by yourself. I don't think he was even 16. William Hague must have been 12 at most when he embarrassed himself and the tories at party conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) So they're saying that speaking directly to the electorate about your ideas and plans for government doesn't achieve anything. Hardly a ringing endorsement of democracy. Edited October 5, 2011 by Dorkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noddage Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 To be fair (argh, this hurts) they've taken a lot of stick (often from their core supporters) over their continuing foreign aid budget. About the only thing they refused to cut, wasn't it? Anyway, back to reality. I'm still swallowing down a little bit of sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Is this about foreign aid? I've just put £10 in an envelope to my son's charity of the year - some Uganda orphanage run by some parents at the school - one's an African. Not gone thru the process of googling to see whats what. I'll back in my generosity for a few more days. I gave up of the Charity commission's 'probity' years ago. When I was at primary, I shifted a book of 'Smiles for Africa' every year. Roll forward 10 years (to the late 80s) it turns out that the *****s spent my 'smiles' on AK47s. On the same subject I had to dodge a chugger in the medium sized provincial town I live in .. at 6.40PM FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenzdawg Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Roll forward 10 years (to the late 80s) it turns out that the *****s spent my 'smiles' on AK47s. That was the only money well spent in the whole aid program then. There has never been a natural disaster in East Africa, but there has been a never ending succession of political ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) East Africa.... the last real high-potential area in the world that hasn't been fully explored, by oil companies whom have flocked there in the last 12-36 months East Africa........Where many British Companies are drilling, and have vast sums invested, loaned to them by certain state owned banks like RBS, in anticipation of the next Oil Boom......... East Africa............ the last refuge of the Mountain Gorilla and other endangered species................... East Africa............ Where Conservation groups have already clashed with British Oil&Gas Exploration Companies. Edited October 5, 2011 by Milton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Best comments I've heard recently were from Boris Johnson.. [Telegraph] Comrades, I have the solution. I have an export-led answer to Britain's current economic difficulties. We need to export Ed Miliband to China. We need to send Ed Balls to India and all the rest of the Labour lot to the Asian, Latin American and African countries that are currently outperforming the UK. And then we have got to get the leaders and business people of those countries to pay attention.- SNIP - There is one obvious solution, and that is to infect these vast new market economies – as fast as possible – with the British disease. We must spread the sclerosis. We must get them addicted to our vices. And that is why it might be an idea to ensure that the gospel of Ed Miliband is heard across the planet. You will remember how the Germans brilliantly destabilised Russia in 1917, by sending Lenin in a sealed train from Zurich to the Finland Station in St Petersburg. We could send the human panda to Beijing, in the same spirit of discreet sabotage. Let him go to Shanghai, where thousands of exciting start-ups are born every year, and explain what he means by "bad" capitalism. Let him tell the Asian entrepreneurs about his brilliant insight – that you need more state control, and more regulation, and higher taxes on the wealth creators. It's time for the two Eds to go around all those parts of the earth that have spent the past 20 years getting rid of semi-Marxist systems of control, and outline their fascinating notion that it would be sensible to bring those socialist systems back. Linky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicestersq Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 East Africa.... the last real high-potential area in the world that hasn't been fully explored, by oil companies whom have flocked there in the last 12-36 months East Africa........Where many British Companies are drilling, and have vast sums invested, loaned to them by certain state owned banks like RBS, in anticipation of the next Oil Boom......... East Africa............ the last refuge of the Mountain Gorilla and other endangered species................... East Africa............ Where Conservation groups have already clashed with British Oil&Gas Exploration Companies. Mountain gorillas are in central Africa aren't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 This one? How many Tories does it take to make a party political broadcast? On a more positive note at least Justine Greening has a policy for credit easing, if only she could understand how it worked. Btw, how did they get Hermann Goering to make an appearance at 11 seconds in? Clever CGI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) Mountain gorillas are in central Africa aren't they? There is a lot of drilling, hydrocarbon projects coming up across the whole of East Africa. Uganda, Tanzania etc..... Lakes and Offshore......And some big finds already..........A lot of British Bank investment involved. They all hope its going to be the next big thing. http://wildlifenews....em-there-hills/ Make Way Gorilla's, there's Oil in them there Hills A report in the Financial Times is a real concern. The article brings to light the fact that DR Congo Environment Minister, José Endundo, is considering a petition by 41 local MP's to redraw the boundaries of the Virunga National Park to allow oil companies in. Two British oil exploration companies, Soco International and Dominion Petroleum, have the license to explore and exploit oil reserves in part of DR Congo. They have the rights to Block 5 and within Block 5 is part of the Virunga National Park and it's population of rare mountain gorillas. In the End, especially in Africa, I suspect the people with the deepest pockets will win......... Congo's Wildlife Threatened By Oil Giant The Rape and destruction of the Natural World so we can all keep buying crap we dont need. Virunga National Park is where you will have seen footage of David Attenborough and Dianne Fossey with the Gorillas East Africa Next Oil Hotzone Edited October 5, 2011 by Milton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game_Over Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Is this about foreign aid? I've just put £10 in an envelope to my son's charity of the year - some Uganda orphanage run by some parents at the school - one's an African. Not gone thru the process of googling to see whats what. I'll back in my generosity for a few more days. I gave up of the Charity commission's 'probity' years ago. When I was at primary, I shifted a book of 'Smiles for Africa' every year. Roll forward 10 years (to the late 80s) it turns out that the *****s spent my 'smiles' on AK47s. On the same subject I had to dodge a chugger in the medium sized provincial town I live in .. at 6.40PM FFS What's that well known slogan again? 'Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to load a Kalashnikov and you feed him for a lifetime' But its not about feeding Africans anyway - it's about providing highly paid jobs for the ruling elites kids and buying influence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntb Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I think the thing about Moutain Gorillas is that they tend to live in the valleys and lowlands so they are only going to be disturbed for a little while when they are dragging the oil rig up to the top of the mountain to start drilling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexw Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 No better/worse than pimping off a 16 yr old in front of the world to argue a point caused by yourself. oh its much much worse. I just watched it and all i wanted to do was vomit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) I think the thing about Moutain Gorillas is that they tend to live in the valleys and lowlands so they are only going to be disturbed for a little while when they are dragging the oil rig up to the top of the mountain to start drilling. No. Completely Untrue. All you can really be sure of is that the extraction, production and distribution of Oil, is damaging to the enviroment. Take another African Oilstate for instance, Nigeria: Oil production in Nigeria has had severe environmental and human consequences for the indigenous peoples who inhabit the areas surrounding oil extraction. Nigeria's export of 12 million barrels of oil a day comes from 12% of the country's land, and indigenous minority communities in these areas receive no economic benefits. Indigenous groups are actually further impoverished due to environmental degradation from oil production and the lack of adequate regulations on multinational companies, as they become more vulnerable to food shortages, health hazards, loss of land, pollution, forced migration and unemployment. The social and environmental costs of oil production have been extensive. They include destruction of wildlife and biodiversity, loss of fertile soil, pollution of air and drinking water, degradation of farmland and damage to aquatic ecosystems, all of which have caused serious health problems for the inhabitants of areas surrounding oil production. Pollution is caused by gas flaring, above ground pipeline leakage, oil waste dumping and oil spills. Approximately 75% of gas produced is flared annually causing considerable ecological and physical damage to other resources such as land/soil, water and vegetation. Gas flares, which are often times situated close to villages, produce soot which is deposited on building roofs of neighboring villages. Whenever it rains, the soot is washed off and the black ink-like water running from the roofs is believed to contain chemicals which adversely effect the fertility of the soil. Gas pipelines have also caused irreparable damage to lands once used for agricultural purposes. These pipes should be buried to reduce risk of fracture and spillage. However, they are often laid above ground and run directly through villages, where oil leaks have rendered the land economically useless. Oil spills and the dumping oil into waterways has been extensive, often poisoning drinking water and destroying vegetation. According to an independent record of Shell's spills from 1982 to 1992, 1,626,000 gallons were spilt from the company's Nigerian operations in 27 separate incidences. Of the number of spills recorded from Shell - a company which operates in more than 100 countries - 40% were in Nigeria. Shell is also being accused of engaging in "widespread ecological disturbances, including explosions from seismic surveys, pollution from pipe-line leaks, blowouts, drilling fluids and refinery effluents, and land alienation and disruption of the natural terrain from construction of industry infrastructure and installations". For example, oil spill contamination of the top soil has rendered the soil in the surrounding areas "unsuitable for plant growth by reducing the availability of nutrients or by increasing toxic contents in the soil" . Gas flaring, on the other hand, "has been associated with reduced crop yield and plant growth on nearby farms, and disruption of wildlife in the immediate vicinity". Shell and other oil companies have developed an easy and inexpensive way to deal with by-products from oil drilling: "indiscriminate dumping". The crisis over environmental pollution and economic marginalization from the oil industry reached a peak in January 1993 when 300,000 Ogoni protested against Shell Oil. This organized protest was followed by repeated harassment, arrests, and killing of Ogonis by Federal government troops. You can repeat endless examples of this from around the world. Spills do occur, and when they do, It can be devastating to an ecosystem Virunga National Park is home to approximately 200 of the world's mountain gorillas, a small population of eastern lowland gorillas, hippopotamus, chimpanzee, elephant, giraffe and okapi. It contains more species of mammals, reptiles and birds than any other protected area in Africa, and possibly in the world. It has an exceptional diversity of landscapes stretching from the glaciers of the Ruwenzori Mountains, at over 17,000 feet, to impenetrable forests, savannas, rivers Rwindi and Semiliki, and lake ecosystems. Edited October 5, 2011 by Milton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntb Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 No. Completely Untrue. All you can really be sure of is that the extraction, production and distribution of Oil, is damaging to the enviroment...... No argument from me. A long time ago (before it was fashionable) I gained a degree in Environmental Science, majoring in Ecology. Quite a long time ago I gave up hope. More recently I gave up being ashamed of giving up hope. It makes me sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britney's Piers Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 If they send food aid they should put birth control in it. Live Aid was 30 years ago and what's changed now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okaycuckoo Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Heard Mariam from Amadou & Mariam on the radio today - she reckons east Africa is doing great, very critical of aid industry propaganda. West Africa is the opposite - poorly supported by France. As for the famine, I suspect alot of it is down to food price inflation caused by central bank policies. There was a terrible massacre by government troops in Egypt yesterday - the protest was about persecution of christians but it seems the price of food is causing a crisis there too. Anyway, great song from Africa: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Warwick Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 I just watched it on here. Is it for real? If I make the assumption that it is real then I must agree that it is absolute toss!!! Perhaps they should really be saying for people to keep their money back for their fellow countryman, pay more tax, or just save their money for the times when famine will stalk our streets. It might not be too far away. Who will help us? Malthusian theories tell us that we should leave well alone. We ignorant, do-gooding Westerners do more harm than good. Nature rules and we only make matters worse. Keep your money in your own country. Keep your pity for the poor politicians who think that this sort of shallow crap fools anyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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