My Contract Has Just Been Outsourced...

[the_duke_of_hazzard]

I just spent twenty minutes this morning sorting out a mess that took a week for two Indians to make.

They'd completely missed the point, and wasted various other (important) people's time in the process.

So much for cost savings.

[Tonkers]

When they offshore lots of jobs, who will they sell products to in this country? Once you've done the call centers, IT and accounts, you might as well start doing the same with management and if the call centers and IT and accounts are there already, even better.

The amount of jobs they could offshore in future is tremendous. Only stopped by the fact that offshoring isn't as good. Could you imagine a Indian advertising firm come up with the new Lynx advert?

I'm in IT so am quite biased. But it seems to me a way of shooting ourselves in the foot.

We need to offshore the consumers as well.

[Injin]

Bend over and take it up the proverbial I would say. With the current goverment's attitude to ANY discension among the populace and it's obsession with controlling almost all aspects of our lives (illegal taking of innocent DNA, inability to protest outside parliament, police brutality at the g20 summit, CCTV cameras everywhere, countless databases, id cards, monitoring phone-calls and internet use, all children on a database.....) it seems that any attempt to protest is pretty futile and hurts the individuals protesting rather than changing anything.

Yes, I agree there are more reasons than just economics to riot.

In fact, I would argue that we haven't seen social unrest because of the boom. Minus the boom, all that petty shit is going to rile people more than ever.

[Ash4781]

Can we outsource MPs?

VMR.

scrappage scheme

[OnlyMe]

We need to offshore the consumers as well.

In progress. 11 million or so want to leave.

The penny has dropped, an increasing proportion of the public want no part of this country's future or future liabilities.

[Guest X-QUORK]

Where's Bogbrush and the rest telling you to wind your neck in and pull your socks up?

Come on you lazy doley, get a job!

[eightiesgirly]

Oh yes, 825 million, this is at the same time as the pathetic train to gain programme in the UK is running out of money and being pegged back.

http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page14329

Mr Brown highlighted an aid package of £825 million that would help put four miillion more children in schools by 2011, and announced further assistance to help build 13 universites and science institutes around the country. A long-term education forum would also be established along with increased exchange of students between British and Indian universities, he said.

And they had the nerve to refuse the Gurkha's on the grounds of cost ( backtracked now though) all the while MP's have their fingers in the till. Despicable.

[Fairies Wear Boots]

I just spent twenty minutes this morning sorting out a mess that took a week for two Indians to make.

They'd completely missed the point, and wasted various other (important) people's time in the process.

So much for cost savings.

Which is a good thing. Because if it weren't this way, all companies would be doing it hand over fist with the excuse of not being able to compete with those who are.

As for the present government taking peoples liberties away, it's quite absolutely unbelievable. And we sort of stand for it. The other lot (Tories) must have been pretty goddamn awful beforehand to get people to keep reelecting the current government.

[ItsColdUpHere]

Where's Bogbrush and the rest telling you to wind your neck in and pull your socks up?

Come on you lazy doley, get a job!

Can I wait until I finish this one please?

[Saberu]

I distinctly remember you boasting about your good job and how unlike the lower skilled workers (IT isn't it?) they would never outsource your contract to India because you 'sort out the mess' the Indian people create.

Now I hope you have a little more sympathy for those 'lower skilled workers' whose only difference from you is that they were born a decade (or two) later and by the time they entered the IT marketplace there were much fewer jobs and less pay and they didn't have the experienced required to be an IT consultant or whatever it was you did.

Honestly I'd have more sympathy for your plight if you weren't so arrogant in previous posts.

I admit I've probably been a little harsh to you, but that might be something to do with what my lecturer said to our class in university- "When I graduated my first job was earning 30kpa doing (bla bla Java project) and you can all do the same if you work hard", I pointed out to him that the market is much different now and a graduate wouldn't have a chance in hell of earning more than 20k, maybe not even get a decent job unless he had a 1st from a decent university.

Basically in IT there is a lot of arrogance from the older generation to the younger generation but in reality eventually as the Indian IT workforce becomes more knowledgable and experienced, everyone will be superseded.

I guess you could always become an IT lecturer, seems like a comfortable job.

By the way I didn't go into IT after university, as I didn't want to work 40 hours/ week in an IT support call center which is just about the only job most IT graduates can get.

[OLDFTB]

British jobs for British workers?

This sums it all up:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bEGvu4VNi6Y/ShO4...s1600-h/bus.jpg

[Guest Fedup]

I distinctly remember you boasting about your good job and how unlike the lower skilled workers (IT isn't it?) they would never outsource your contract to India because you 'sort out the mess' the Indian people create.

Now I hope you have a little more sympathy for those 'lower skilled workers' whose only difference from you is that they were born a decade (or two) later and by the time they entered the IT marketplace there were much fewer jobs and less pay and they didn't have the experienced required to be an IT consultant or whatever it was you did.

Honestly I'd have more sympathy for your plight if you weren't so arrogant in previous posts.

I admit I've probably been a little harsh to you, but that might be something to do with what my lecturer said to our class in university- "When I graduated my first job was earning 30kpa doing (bla bla Java project) and you can all do the same if you work hard", I pointed out to him that the market is much different now and a graduate wouldn't have a chance in hell of earning more than 20k, maybe not even get a decent job unless he had a 1st from a decent university.

Basically in IT there is a lot of arrogance from the older generation to the younger generation but in reality eventually as the Indian IT workforce becomes more knowledgable and experienced, everyone will be superseded.

I guess you could always become an IT lecturer, seems like a comfortable job.

By the way I didn't go into IT after university, as I didn't want to work 40 hours/ week in an IT support call center which is just about the only job most IT graduates can get.

Can I ask whereabouts you live/ are looking for work? I am a relatively young person (only been in work for 2 years, graduated 3 years ago) and i am doing ok. Well I'm earning more than the amounts you listed above anyway, and I don't work in London. Saying this, I bet I am tempting fate and my job will be outsourced tomorrow

[ItsColdUpHere]

I distinctly remember you boasting about your good job and how unlike the lower skilled workers (IT isn't it?) they would never outsource your contract to India because you 'sort out the mess' the Indian people create.

Now I hope you have a little more sympathy for those 'lower skilled workers' whose only difference from you is that they were born a decade (or two) later and by the time they entered the IT marketplace there were much fewer jobs and less pay and they didn't have the experienced required to be an IT consultant or whatever it was you did.

Honestly I'd have more sympathy for your plight if you weren't so arrogant in previous posts.

I admit I've probably been a little harsh to you, but that might be something to do with what my lecturer said to our class in university- "When I graduated my first job was earning 30kpa doing (bla bla Java project) and you can all do the same if you work hard", I pointed out to him that the market is much different now and a graduate wouldn't have a chance in hell of earning more than 20k, maybe not even get a decent job unless he had a 1st from a decent university.

Basically in IT there is a lot of arrogance from the older generation to the younger generation but in reality eventually as the Indian IT workforce becomes more knowledgable and experienced, everyone will be superseded.

I guess you could always become an IT lecturer, seems like a comfortable job.

By the way I didn't go into IT after university, as I didn't want to work 40 hours/ week in an IT support call center which is just about the only job most IT graduates can get.

Re: I distinctly remember you boasting about your good job and how unlike the lower skilled workers (IT isn't it?) they would never outsource your contract to India because you 'sort out the mess' the Indian people create.

They will make a mess. They will give a crap service. They will cost more in total than I did.

But I forgot that the right thing and management thinking are two different things. I was wrong.

Re: Now I hope you have a little more sympathy for those 'lower skilled workers' whose only difference from you is that they were born a decade (or two) later and by the time they entered the IT marketplace there were much fewer jobs and less pay and they didn't have the experienced required to be an IT consultant or whatever it was you did.

Honestly I'd have more sympathy for your plight if you weren't so arrogant in previous posts.

Its lucky I don't want any sympathy then isn't it. I'm very philisophical about this, the gravy train was good while it lasted but now its over. You won't find me whinging about my personal circumstances like the losers do. I'll get paid what I get paid in my next job, whatever that job may be.

Re: I admit I've probably been a little harsh to you, but that might be something to do with what my lecturer said to our class in university- "When I graduated my first job was earning 30kpa doing (bla bla Java project) and you can all do the same if you work hard", I pointed out to him that the market is much different now and a graduate wouldn't have a chance in hell of earning more than 20k, maybe not even get a decent job unless he had a 1st from a decent university.

Its lucky I have a 1st from a decent University then isn't it.

Re: Basically in IT there is a lot of arrogance from the older generation to the younger generation but in reality eventually as the Indian IT workforce becomes more knowledgable and experienced, everyone will be superseded.

We can't compete with them on cost, its impossible. So yes, we are doomed as a country. But I wouldn't be smug because we're all doomed together.

Re: By the way I didn't go into IT after university, as I didn't want to work 40 hours/ week in an IT support call center which is just about the only job most IT graduates can get.

Good for you.

I'll keep you posted on how I get on - although personally I think I'm doomed and I'll only get another IT job when (if?) the economy recovers.

To misquote Gladiator:

"Life laughs at you. The best you can do is laugh right back"

[Lone_Twin]

Re: I distinctly remember you boasting about your good job and how unlike the lower skilled workers (IT isn't it?) they would never outsource your contract to India because you 'sort out the mess' the Indian people create.

They will make a mess. They will give a crap service. They will cost more in total than I did.

But I forgot that the right thing and management thinking are two different things. I was wrong.

Re: Now I hope you have a little more sympathy for those 'lower skilled workers' whose only difference from you is that they were born a decade (or two) later and by the time they entered the IT marketplace there were much fewer jobs and less pay and they didn't have the experienced required to be an IT consultant or whatever it was you did.

Honestly I'd have more sympathy for your plight if you weren't so arrogant in previous posts.

Its lucky I don't want any sympathy then isn't it. I'm very philisophical about this, the gravy train was good while it lasted but now its over. You won't find me whinging about my personal circumstances like the losers do. I'll get paid what I get paid in my next job, whatever that job may be.

Re: I admit I've probably been a little harsh to you, but that might be something to do with what my lecturer said to our class in university- "When I graduated my first job was earning 30kpa doing (bla bla Java project) and you can all do the same if you work hard", I pointed out to him that the market is much different now and a graduate wouldn't have a chance in hell of earning more than 20k, maybe not even get a decent job unless he had a 1st from a decent university.

Its lucky I have a 1st from a decent University then isn't it.

Re: Basically in IT there is a lot of arrogance from the older generation to the younger generation but in reality eventually as the Indian IT workforce becomes more knowledgable and experienced, everyone will be superseded.

We can't compete with them on cost, its impossible. So yes, we are doomed as a country. But I wouldn't be smug because we're all doomed together.

Re: By the way I didn't go into IT after university, as I didn't want to work 40 hours/ week in an IT support call center which is just about the only job most IT graduates can get.

Good for you.

I'll keep you posted on how I get on - although personally I think I'm doomed and I'll only get another IT job when (if?) the economy recovers.

To misquote Gladiator:

"Life laughs at you. The best you can do is laugh right back"

I know the market is tough at the minute but what on earth were you doing that was so specialised / low demand that you don't think you will find other work? Or were you just massively overpaid?

Not being harsh but you seem to have been in steady demand for some years. Why has it all gone tits with the end of one contract?

[ItsColdUpHere]

I know the market is tough at the minute but what on earth were you doing that was so specialised / low demand that you don't think you will find other work? Or were you just massively overpaid?

Not being harsh but you seem to have been in steady demand for some years. Why has it all gone tits with the end of one contract?

Re: I know the market is tough at the minute but what on earth were you doing that was so specialised / low demand that you don't think you will find other work?

I try to prepare for the dark side/worst case scenario when it comes to things like this, and to be happy with that worst case scenario.

Then if anything turns up it'll be a nice surprise.

To be honest i've been with the same client for so long (doing multiple projects at multiple locations) that I have NO IDEA how hard it will be to find work. I couldn't even begin to guess.

Re: Or were you just massively overpaid?

I was getting the going rate for Oracle Financials. Which makes me massively overpaid.

But I've not structured my life around high earnings so any job in the Oracle/Java/C#/c++ field will pay the bills.

Cheers...

[I want a house!]

I distinctly remember you boasting about your good job and how unlike the lower skilled workers (IT isn't it?) they would never outsource your contract to India because you 'sort out the mess' the Indian people create.

Now I hope you have a little more sympathy for those 'lower skilled workers' whose only difference from you is that they were born a decade (or two) later and by the time they entered the IT marketplace there were much fewer jobs and less pay and they didn't have the experienced required to be an IT consultant or whatever it was you did.

Honestly I'd have more sympathy for your plight if you weren't so arrogant in previous posts.

I admit I've probably been a little harsh to you, but that might be something to do with what my lecturer said to our class in university- "When I graduated my first job was earning 30kpa doing (bla bla Java project) and you can all do the same if you work hard", I pointed out to him that the market is much different now and a graduate wouldn't have a chance in hell of earning more than 20k, maybe not even get a decent job unless he had a 1st from a decent university.

Basically in IT there is a lot of arrogance from the older generation to the younger generation but in reality eventually as the Indian IT workforce becomes more knowledgable and experienced, everyone will be superseded.

I guess you could always become an IT lecturer, seems like a comfortable job.

By the way I didn't go into IT after university, as I didn't want to work 40 hours/ week in an IT support call center which is just about the only job most IT graduates can get.

This explains why I'm getting so many CVs sent to me. They are all first class degrees, too many are first class for me to believe but anyway, they are begging to join my company for less than 30k with 3 years experience. I remember at 22 getting head hunted to UK and given 60,000 per year. What happen to those days? These days, we get a pittance. Time to retrain fellow developers. I'm doing a Bsc(Hons) in Economical Mathematics, I advise you all find new professions as IT, is not the same. However, this is very subjective.

[babesagainstmachines]

I feel sorry for your family. The ones you live with paticularly.

You come across as a bit of a tw@.

[jonb2]

...

But you've got to laugh, apparently.

Well, as has been said before on this board - Henry Ford was the genius that realised if you cannot afford to buy the product your workers make, then it it is utterly pointless sending the work elsewhere to save money.

Brilliant CEOs' everywhere. 50% tax rate. Feck off all idiots then. What I want to know is why sh*t still floats to the top.

As for people saying that law and money-traders are bringing in the money. What's the point of that if 99% of people in the UK cannot afford to consume ???.

:angry:

[JustAnotherProle]

As for people saying that law and money-traders are bringing in the money. What's the point of that if 99% of people in the UK cannot afford to consume ???.

:angry:

I assume the outcome is illustrated thus isnt it?

[Lone_Twin]

Re: I know the market is tough at the minute but what on earth were you doing that was so specialised / low demand that you don't think you will find other work?

I try to prepare for the dark side/worst case scenario when it comes to things like this, and to be happy with that worst case scenario.

Then if anything turns up it'll be a nice surprise.

To be honest i've been with the same client for so long (doing multiple projects at multiple locations) that I have NO IDEA how hard it will be to find work. I couldn't even begin to guess.

Re: Or were you just massively overpaid?

I was getting the going rate for Oracle Financials. Which makes me massively overpaid.

But I've not structured my life around high earnings so any job in the Oracle/Java/C#/c++ field will pay the bills.

Cheers...

I might know of an oracle financials opportunity if you are interested in perm consultancy work including some travel (99% UK).

Its with my old employer. PM me if you are interested.

[jonb2]

I assume the outcome is illustrated thus isnt it?

Yes ! Let's just hope it just happens mainly to the snakes in society - but I would not bet on it!

BTW, I meant to say to the OP, I am sorry, but my anger got in the way of saying it.

[REP013]

I hope to avoid the extreme hardship bit - I've paid for everything cash, have a tiny mortgage,, no debt, and the wife works 16 hours a week so we'll get about 1.5K with tax credits. We'll be OK.

But I know a fair few contractors who DEPEND on never having gaps in work...

In fact I know a contractor who has a 400K mortgage who has just been let go.

The irony is he'll get the government to pay the interst on this after 3 months...

2 things to consider here.

1. I have recently met someone who will no-longer get their benefits because they are working 16 hours a week, they have been told that 15 hours and 59 minutes is o.k.

2. The government only pay for £200K of interest on the property after the 13 weeks period. Your "friend" will be looking for the other £1k a month themselves (assuming a 5% ish IR).

[geoffk]

I was training up and doing handovers in the early 80s...nothing new.....but still a *******..

[Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond]

I know the market is tough at the minute but what on earth were you doing that was so specialised / low demand that you don't think you will find other work?

I think you'll find that right now, there is plenty of scope for specializing yourself out of a job in the UK IT market unfortunately.

[HumanAction]

I think you'll find that right now, there is plenty of scope for specializing yourself out of a job in the UK IT market unfortunately.

That's definitely true. I suffer from this myself, have some rare skills but they only appeal to a niche market and in bad times that could definitely equate to being out for good. Fortunately it looks like a position opened up this afternoon that should fit me very well indeed so I'm hopeful of escaping the jobcenter.