winkie Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 2 minutes ago, Social Justice League said: Anyone who says 'they don't want a job because the salary won't cover their living expenses' is using common sense. Common sense is lacking these days though. Makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Social Justice League Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 minute ago, winkie said: Makes sense. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkey Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 13 minutes ago, winkie said: Rent is too high, benefits bill would be a lot lower if not for high cost of housing.....taking out the rent seems about right.....not a big amount for three people to live on a month, not an easy life being a lone parent......even worse if have a child with learning difficulties or disabilities......would you swap your life for hers?.....those children are the countries future, best we invest in them any way we can....can only hope they have good parents to show them the right way......surely the father has some financial responsibility in all this, what investment is he making if any in his children? Rent doesn’t need to increase but due to the greed of the landlords. It’s not like the raw materials have gone up just pure greed over last few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 54 minutes ago, Bob8 said: It is a nonsense story in the Mail to generate hatred. I am sure they threw him £100 to seal the deal and people would rather claim they are smart winner that on the doss pile of life. It is the Wail trying to run cover for the Gov's new attack on benefits and anyone ill to pay for stamp duty & NI cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkey Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, Staffsknot said: It is the Wail trying to run cover for the Gov's new attack on benefits and anyone ill to pay for stamp duty & NI cuts. It’s not an attack on the sick but how on earth can it be acceptable that a single mum with a couple of kids on benefits can be pulling in 3200 a month as someone found Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, Staffsknot said: It is the Wail trying to run cover for the Gov's new attack on benefits and anyone ill to pay for stamp duty & NI cuts. It does well with the financial theory that poor people have all the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Social Justice League Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 11 minutes ago, clarkey said: It’s not an attack on the sick but how on earth can it be acceptable that a single mum with a couple of kids on benefits can be pulling in 3200 a month as someone found Can she pull 3200 a month working 'living wage'?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poohbear Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 11 minutes ago, clarkey said: It’s not an attack on the sick but how on earth can it be acceptable that a single mum with a couple of kids on benefits can be pulling in 3200 a month as someone found Quite. It isn’t acceptable but sadly the single mother is happy,the landlord is happy and the government don’t care. That’s also what 2 people on minimum wage would be bringing home, which makes a mockery of the whole system and of workers and tax payers.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Social Justice League Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 minute ago, poohbear said: Quite. It isn’t acceptable but sadly the single mother is happy,the landlord is happy and the government don’t care. That’s also what 2 people on minimum wage would be bringing home, which makes a mockery of the whole system and of workers and tax payers.  The way to make a 'living wage' pay is to build council houses, for rent only, at no more than 25% of a 'living wage' in rent per month. Common sense, but the UK is full of leech btl f4cks these days who want the dole to pay their mortgages. They cost the state/taxpayer far more than the poor b4stard on jobseekers allowance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButter Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 7 minutes ago, Social Justice League said: The way to make a 'living wage' pay is to build council houses, for rent only, at no more than 25% of a 'living wage' in rent per month. Common sense, but the UK is full of leech btl f4cks these days who want the dole to pay their mortgages. They cost the state/taxpayer far more than the poor b4stard on jobseekers allowance. And what about the council tenants who sublet their prime properties and go live in cheaper places or with family? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Social Justice League Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 7 minutes ago, PeanutButter said: And what about the council tenants who sublet their prime properties and go live in cheaper places or with family? Just build enough council houses to meet demand. Then no one is subletting any of them for over the odds. Ffs this isn't some amazing revelation, building cheap accommodation for hard working families. We managed it 70 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poohbear Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 18 minutes ago, Social Justice League said: The way to make a 'living wage' pay is to build council houses, for rent only, at no more than 25% of a 'living wage' in rent per month. Common sense, but the UK is full of leech btl f4cks these days who want the dole to pay their mortgages. They cost the state/taxpayer far more than the poor b4stard on jobseekers allowance. I would estimate that the majority being allocated council housing now are on benefits.Have you seen the requirements for council housing.If you are in work bye bye you’re on your own and have zero points if they even let you get on the register. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Social Justice League Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 37 minutes ago, poohbear said: I would estimate that the majority being allocated council housing now are on benefits.Have you seen the requirements for council housing.If you are in work bye bye you’re on your own and have zero points if they even let you get on the register. Yeah because we don't have any council housing stock left. Build enough and anyone who wants one should be able to get one within a reasonable timescale, just like 70 years ago. They must be for rent only though. People can still buy a bigger house in a nicer area if they want to. No one is stopping that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poohbear Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 9 minutes ago, Social Justice League said: Yeah because we don't have any council housing stock left. Build enough and anyone who wants one should be able to get one within a reasonable timescale, just like 70 years ago. They must be for rent only though. People can still buy a bigger house in a nicer area if they want to. No one is stopping that. 70 years ago you needed to be in work and put your name down as engaged to be married to get a council house. Now you just need to get pregnant and forget about any income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Social Justice League Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 3 minutes ago, poohbear said: 70 years ago you needed to be in work and put your name down as engaged to be married to get a council house. Now you just need to get pregnant and forget about any income. It sounds to me like many people are bitter about working full time and having a huge mortgage. Council housing should always be cheap, small and in poorer areas. Most will aspire to more onto something better. Some won't, but it's cheaper for the taxpayer to pay a council rent than a btl rent. Common sense tells us this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poohbear Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 26 minutes ago, Social Justice League said: It sounds to me like many people are bitter about working full time and having a huge mortgage. Council housing should always be cheap, small and in poorer areas. Most will aspire to more onto something better. Some won't, but it's cheaper for the taxpayer to pay a council rent than a btl rent. Common sense tells us this. I would imagine they would be especially if they have gone to uni and have student loans to pay as well. However as I said previously the requirements for getting council housing are very different from 70 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButter Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, Social Justice League said: Just build enough council houses to meet demand. Then no one is subletting any of them for over the odds. Ffs this isn't some amazing revelation, building cheap accommodation for hard working families. We managed it 70 years ago. So you’d ring fence the housing for employed UK citizens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 2 hours ago, clarkey said: It’s not an attack on the sick but how on earth can it be acceptable that a single mum with a couple of kids on benefits can be pulling in 3200 a month as someone found The Gov are doing runs at people off work as ill and the Wail is regurgitating made up crap about spongers and scroungers for the easily led Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Social Justice League Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 35 minutes ago, PeanutButter said: So you’d ring fence the housing for employed UK citizens? It would be for any UK citizen who needs it. Ikea could through up millions of flat-packed boxes today and we all know it. The housing issue has nothing to do with not being able to provide shelter. The problem is too many VI's wanting to leech and using shelter as weapon to manipulate others. It's sleezy at best but then, many humans are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButter Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 6 minutes ago, Social Justice League said: It would be for any UK citizen who needs it. Ikea could through up millions of flat-packed boxes today and we all know it. The housing issue has nothing to do with not being able to provide shelter. The problem is too many VI's wanting to leech and using shelter as weapon to manipulate others. It's sleezy at best but then, many humans are. What mass building experience do you have? My limited knowledge indicates that housing density usually means high rises, which tend to attract socio economic deprivation, crime, giant fires that kill many people. Wouldn’t it be simpler to requisition under-occupied commercial properties that are already up to safety code?  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yodigo Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 9 hours ago, Maghull Mike said: With everything turning sh1t they turn on the weakest .........How much have we spent on protecting Israel this week?..........how much have we spent in Ukraine? No, lets get after these people...........oh yes they the reason your taxes are going up. Mike Sick of chucking money at Ukraine. Why are they poor? If the war caused so much inflation due to them exporting soooo much of the worlds food supply that food doubled in price... then they're not poor (all the massive BMWs in Spain say they're not poor either). Corrupt as hell with massive income inequalities, yes. Lots of problems in the east due to Ukraine exporting larges amount of food into Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maghull Mike Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 7 minutes ago, yodigo said: Sick of chucking money at Ukraine. Why are they poor? If the war caused so much inflation due to them exporting soooo much of the worlds food supply that food doubled in price... then they're not poor (all the massive BMWs in Spain say they're not poor either). Corrupt as hell with massive income inequalities, yes. Lots of problems in the east due to Ukraine exporting larges amount of food into Poland. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewy Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Sounds like a nice life those people have. I prefer my £212k job though and house paid with cash to a life lived reliant. ✓ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poohbear Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 3 hours ago, Stewy said: Sounds like a nice life those people have. I prefer my £212k job though and house paid with cash to a life lived reliant. ✓ Would  that salary not put you in the top 1% or perhaps not. Certainly in some cases that is 10 times the amount some are earning, and indeed the vast majority are on a quarter or less of that figure you state you earn.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Social Justice League Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 8 hours ago, PeanutButter said: Wouldn’t it be simpler to requisition under-occupied commercial properties that are already up to safety code?  Yep, that's a good idea that should be acted on too. Any shelter is better than no shelter imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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