Social Justice League Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 The UK and just about every other western consumer capitalist countries can't seem to provide shelter at reasonable cost for their populations......by choice. How odd. Maybe communism is the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Where is the cheap shelter? Usually in the back of an LDV Convoy parked under a Bristol flyover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewy Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Lots of very affordable places around. £90k. https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/134880632#/media?id=media0&ref=photoCollage&channel=RES_BUY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpg50000 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 3 hours ago, Stewy said: Lots of very affordable places around. £90k. https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/134880632#/media?id=media0&ref=photoCollage&channel=RES_BUY A tiny 1 bedroom flat, with ground rent and service charge (amounts conveniently not mentioned), only 67 years lease left, plus it's in Redcar. Hardly a bargain, you fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regprentice Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 7 hours ago, Social Justice League said: The UK and just about every other western consumer capitalist countries can't seem to provide shelter at reasonable cost for their populations......by choice. How odd. Maybe communism is the answer. Depends what you mean by "shelter" The European Convention on human rights is the law that councils refer to when the talk about the pressures of providing accommodation for homeless people. That law doesnt guarantee a right to housing, or a home, it just guarantees a right to "shelter". The council can place you in a different homeless shelter every night and still be meeting this requirement to provide you shelter. I think you really mean "cheap, decent housing". i've avoided using the term "affordable" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sta100 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 7 hours ago, Stewy said: Lots of very affordable places around. £90k. https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/134880632#/media?id=media0&ref=photoCollage&channel=RES_BUY Quite upmarket compared to sunny stockton le tees https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/143171048#/?channel=RES_BUY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debt Slaves Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) 11 hours ago, Social Justice League said: The UK and just about every other western consumer capitalist countries can't seem to provide shelter at reasonable cost for their populations......by choice. How odd. Maybe communism is the answer. The more debt you have, the more you have to work. The more you work, the less time you have to think about and challenge TPTB. The higher your debt requirement, and need to earn more, equals more guaranteed money going to the government, that they use to bribe/ buy votes to stay in power. Shelter is being used to keep the plebs in their place. Perfect slaves, you believe you're free, but really a cog in your predetermined path. Edited January 26 by Debt Slaves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnick Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 11 hours ago, Social Justice League said: The UK and just about every other western consumer capitalist countries can't seem to provide shelter at reasonable cost for their populations......by choice. How odd. Maybe communism is the answer. Maybe, but couldn't we give capitalism a try first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regprentice Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 38 minutes ago, cnick said: Maybe, but couldn't we give capitalism a try first? capitalism started properly in the UK in the 16th century. how much longer do you want to give it? When people ask for change to happen...they usually want it to happen in their lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 12 hours ago, Social Justice League said: The UK and just about every other western consumer capitalist countries can't seem to provide shelter at reasonable cost for their populations......by choice. How odd. Maybe communism is the answer. Does every communist country provide adequate shelter at a reasonable cost to their populations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnick Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 19 minutes ago, regprentice said: capitalism started properly in the UK in the 16th century. how much longer do you want to give it? When people ask for change to happen...they usually want it to happen in their lifetime. Don't really see that money created from feck all, is capital......rather fraud money purporting to be capital. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debt Slaves Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 5 minutes ago, cnick said: Don't really see that money created from feck all, is capital......rather fraud money purporting to be capital. ? Capitalism when the banks etc are making money, socialism when they're making loses. They promote capitalism, but socialise the losses of the big companies, whom they allow to become, too big, too fail. No one is ever held accountable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sta100 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, cnick said: Maybe, but couldn't we give capitalism a try first? Why are there only two choices of economic ideology this matter? Aren't we more knowledgable than we were in the 19th century? It's almost like we're still having a debate between a thatch roof and a wood roof. Edited January 26 by sta100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnick Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 17 minutes ago, sta100 said: Why are there only two choices of economic ideology this matter? Aren't we more knowledgable than we were in the 19th century? It's almost like we're still having a debate between a thatch roof and a wood roof. Thatch and wood are pretty clear as to what they are....... capitalism and socialism, conveniently, not so. There should be clear distinction.....socialism requires (forces) tax payers to underwrite repayment of money created from thin air...... All government is therefore socialist...... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sta100 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) 35 minutes ago, cnick said: Thatch and wood are pretty clear as to what they are....... capitalism and socialism, conveniently, not so. There should be clear distinction.....socialism requires (forces) tax payers to underwrite repayment of money created from thin air...... All government is therefore socialist...... ? There's elements of capitalism and socialism in every functioning economic system. The roof analogy works on the basis that it's pointless having a debate between the two choices when it's a redundant one. We already moved on a long time ago. Most of the ills we have in society are a function of corruption rather than ideology. Edited January 26 by sta100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord D'arcy Pew Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 No body wants to live in cheap shelter, that's why they migrate to live in our expensive shelter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnick Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 46 minutes ago, sta100 said: Most of the ills we have in society are a function of corruption rather than ideology. Can there be anything more corrupt than some people demanding 'repayment' for 'money' created from thin air?.......PLUS INTEREST FFS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 2 hours ago, cnick said: Thatch and wood are pretty clear as to what they are....... capitalism and socialism, conveniently, not so. There should be clear distinction.....socialism requires (forces) tax payers to underwrite repayment of money created from thin air...... All government is therefore socialist...... ? Putting aside the extreme utopian varieties of both left and right for the sake of clarity. Socialism requires the public ownership of some or all capital assets. Capitalism allows for the public ownership of some capital assets but doesn't demand it. Libertarianism demands that all or most capital assets are privately owned. Thus, Sunak and Starmer are capitalists. Jeremy Corbyn is a socialist. Donald Trump and Chainsaw Guy are libertarians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewy Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 4 hours ago, sta100 said: Quite upmarket compared to sunny stockton le tees https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/1432171048#/?channel=RES_BUY Something for every budget. But people want to buy a 4-bed detached for £80k, not going to happen with all the wealth sloshing about and Minimal Cost of Living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnick Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, zugzwang said: Putting aside the extreme utopian varieties of both left and right for the sake of clarity. Socialism requires the public ownership of some or all capital assets. Capitalism allows for the public ownership of some capital assets but doesn't demand it. Libertarianism demands that all or most capital assets are privately owned. Thus, Sunak and Starmer are capitalists. Jeremy Corbyn is a socialist. Donald Trump and Chainsaw Guy are libertarians. No, they all demand repayment for 'money'* created from nothing......so all are socialist. * under threats of physical violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 The cheapest housing is where the tenant is paid a wage to live there, looking after pets, keeping house aired, heated, maintained and secure whilst owners are away in one of their many other houses..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Social Justice League Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 5 hours ago, Debt Slaves said: The more debt you have, the more you have to work. The more you work, the less time you have to think about and challenge TPTB. The higher your debt requirement, and need to earn more, equals more guaranteed money going to the government, that they use to bribe/ buy votes to stay in power. Shelter is being used to keep the plebs in their place. Perfect slaves, you believe you're free, but really a cog in your predetermined path. 100% agree. Very well put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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