Staffsknot Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 48 minutes ago, zugzwang said: As soon as Trump starts throwing his weight around in the South China Sea you'll be villifying the Chinese as you uncritically villify Putin. @Grayphil has already got a poster of Chiang Kai-shek up on his wall but it's not really about Taiwan. Do you think they'll be ready? China Prepares in Central Asia to Withstand Any Western Isolation Efforts Posted on April 3, 2024 by Conor Gallagher Green berets are reportedly now present on the Taiwanese island of Kinmen a mere three miles off the coast of mainland China, and tensions continue to increase between Beijing and Taipei. The US is possibly downgrading its attempt to isolate Russia (opting instead for “containment”) and turning its full attention towards China. There have been think tank missives arguing for this for years, at least some have read the departure of Project Ukraine leader “Toria” Nuland from the State Department and the installation of more China hawks as evidence that this shift is finally underway. Judging from Washington think tank world, the plan for China is essentially a rehash of the effort to isolate Russia. Goad China into a US proxy war over Taiwan and/or the South China Sea, and then enact the isolation efforts. The fact this strategy failed against Russia did not work does not seem to be causing any serious rethink in Washington. In fact, the Ukraine fiasco is presented as the first step in the coming conflict with China. A team of analysts from the influential Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) mention this in a recent piece for Foreign Affairs: A U.S. containment strategy toward Russia would pay additional dividends in Asia. Russia’s unprovoked war has been a quagmire. Washington’s continued support of Ukraine impedes Russia’s military ambitions and dilutes its potential to support Chinese aggression in the future. Translated, terms like “unprovoked war” and “aggression” simply mean the ability to withstand Western pressure, but we can see the Washington hive mind at work here. Maybe it would have made sense to knock off Russia first, thereby eliminating a key supplier of fossil fuels and raw materials to China and allowing the West to push into Central Asia disrupting China’s land supply chains and hypothetically blockade it on all sides. The idea of isolating China is so far-fetched it is perhaps understandable that the West would undertake the gambit to defeat Russia and extend its control there and into central Asia. The problem is it not only didn’t work, but the opposite happened. It isolated Russia from Europe, but forced Moscow to forge stronger ties with the rest of the world, especially China. And if it didn’t work against Russia, how should it be expected to work against a much larger and globally interconnected economy like China? The answer from CSIS: Still, the United States and its allies have leverage with China. Whereas Chinese-Russian trade stood at $240 billion in 2023, China’s trade with the EU amounted to about $800 billion, and China’s trade with the United States was more than $660 billion. China has more at stake in its economic relationships with the United States and the EU than it does with Russia. Yes, but what do the US and EU have at stake? Just to mention the obvious, an attempt to isolate China would mean circles of hell pain in the West, which could shatter their economies and societies. As the Chinese President Xi Jinping said in the April 2 phone call with Biden, Beijing “is not going to sit back and watch” is the US keeps pushing. If the preferred method of warfare from the US is a proxy war coupled with an economic war, the contest is an attritional one to see whose system cracks first. And we can see that so far, the European vassals are the biggest losers. (Although I can’t help but think the Ursulas and company of the EU see this as an opportunity to grab more power while capital gets to feast on the underfunded and collapsing welfare states). Who knows, maybe the West believes it can destabilize China before its own structures crumble. Either way, the aristocrats appear doomed to try. And their strategy is only getting more difficult as China gets to watch and learn from the West’s efforts to “isolate” Russia. Wibble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, pig said: Its a kind of logical whack-a-mole - reality keeps on popping up everywhere so they are running around trying to whack it where they can. It was pointed out that the US warned them about the Moscow attacks, Putin insisted it was made up nonsense ... then blamed the US when it happened ! When you start lying at the scale the Authoritarians are trying it on its impossible for it all to add up. I'm increasingly thinking there is some sort of crisis going on in Authoritarian-land - perhaps they are scared of he advancement of their own populations and the vulnerability of their grip. Wilder internal fantasies wilder outward belligerence... Yep and there's quite a few wibble merchants on here that really display the logic of small kids Claim Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda attack US ( which they then deny happened), Bin Laden & Al-Qaeda are in Afghanistan... but forget all thst and wail 'why didn't you bomb Saudi Arabia where individual donors lived'... Its like IQs dropped about the time Google gave people access to numerous sources of ****** without the capacity to realise its ****** or that they are in fact talking ****** when they repeat it ad infinitum Bin Laden denied ever having any links or training from CIA, all aid was directed via ISI of Pakistan and you'd think Al-Qaeda would make a massive thing of using US weapons against them... but for the dim brigade Bin Laden was a CIA trained operative... Or in reality like many Shaheed and jihadis he had a massive sense of guilt and fear of not being forgiven his sins for doing lots of haram activities- tawba is the biggest recruiterfor suicide bombers among conservative muslim societies. He was textbook newfound pious jihadi trying to 'atone for his sins' and religious recruiters no doubt told him lesser jihad was his only path to paradise because of it. But to the ignorant the conspiracy theories and stupidity of the internet are their sources of truth Same the Moscow attacks - it apparently now is 'a US double bluff to absolve Ukraine'. Just madness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 36 minutes ago, pig said: If it makes you feel better to get that off your chest good for you, but I think you've broken your mind trying and failing to defend this genocidal sh1tshow. Its like you've taken heroin to mend a broken leg, and now the leg doesn't matter anymore its just all heroin I think we are at the spice to get off the heroin to get off the morphine stage with a domazopan chaser stage if we are being honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, zugzwang said: As soon as Trump starts throwing his weight around in the South China Sea you'll be villifying the Chinese as you uncritically villify Putin. @Grayphil has already got a poster of Chiang Kai-shek up on his wall but it's not really about Taiwan. Do you think they'll be ready? China Prepares in Central Asia to Withstand Any Western Isolation Efforts Posted on April 3, 2024 by Conor Gallagher Green berets are reportedly now present on the Taiwanese island of Kinmen a mere three miles off the coast of mainland China, and tensions continue to increase between Beijing and Taipei. The US is possibly downgrading its attempt to isolate Russia (opting instead for “containment”) and turning its full attention towards China. There have been think tank missives arguing for this for years, at least some have read the departure of Project Ukraine leader “Toria” Nuland from the State Department and the installation of more China hawks as evidence that this shift is finally underway. Judging from Washington think tank world, the plan for China is essentially a rehash of the effort to isolate Russia. Goad China into a US proxy war over Taiwan and/or the South China Sea, and then enact the isolation efforts. The fact this strategy failed against Russia did not work does not seem to be causing any serious rethink in Washington. In fact, the Ukraine fiasco is presented as the first step in the coming conflict with China. A team of analysts from the influential Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) mention this in a recent piece for Foreign Affairs: A U.S. containment strategy toward Russia would pay additional dividends in Asia. Russia’s unprovoked war has been a quagmire. Washington’s continued support of Ukraine impedes Russia’s military ambitions and dilutes its potential to support Chinese aggression in the future. Translated, terms like “unprovoked war” and “aggression” simply mean the ability to withstand Western pressure, but we can see the Washington hive mind at work here. Maybe it would have made sense to knock off Russia first, thereby eliminating a key supplier of fossil fuels and raw materials to China and allowing the West to push into Central Asia disrupting China’s land supply chains and hypothetically blockade it on all sides. The idea of isolating China is so far-fetched it is perhaps understandable that the West would undertake the gambit to defeat Russia and extend its control there and into central Asia. The problem is it not only didn’t work, but the opposite happened. It isolated Russia from Europe, but forced Moscow to forge stronger ties with the rest of the world, especially China. And if it didn’t work against Russia, how should it be expected to work against a much larger and globally interconnected economy like China? The answer from CSIS: Still, the United States and its allies have leverage with China. Whereas Chinese-Russian trade stood at $240 billion in 2023, China’s trade with the EU amounted to about $800 billion, and China’s trade with the United States was more than $660 billion. China has more at stake in its economic relationships with the United States and the EU than it does with Russia. Yes, but what do the US and EU have at stake? Just to mention the obvious, an attempt to isolate China would mean circles of hell pain in the West, which could shatter their economies and societies. As the Chinese President Xi Jinping said in the April 2 phone call with Biden, Beijing “is not going to sit back and watch” is the US keeps pushing. If the preferred method of warfare from the US is a proxy war coupled with an economic war, the contest is an attritional one to see whose system cracks first. And we can see that so far, the European vassals are the biggest losers. (Although I can’t help but think the Ursulas and company of the EU see this as an opportunity to grab more power while capital gets to feast on the underfunded and collapsing welfare states). Who knows, maybe the West believes it can destabilize China before its own structures crumble. Either way, the aristocrats appear doomed to try. And their strategy is only getting more difficult as China gets to watch and learn from the West’s efforts to “isolate” Russia. I didn't read that, I honestly don't know who Kiang Chi is.. I assume its someone that has something to do with Taiwan, I've only been to Taiwan a few times maybe 15 years + ago, pretty sure it felt a lot more accommodating than Shanghai which we visited on the same leg of each voyage every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 11 minutes ago, Staffsknot said: Yep and there's quite a few wibble merchants on here that really display the logic of small kids Claim Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda attack US ( which they then deny happened), Bin Laden & Al-Qaeda are in Afghanistan... but forget all thst and wail 'why didn't you bomb Saudi Arabia where individual donors lived'... Its like IQs dropped about the time Google gave people access to numerous sources of ****** without the capacity to realise its ****** or that they are in fact talking ****** when they repeat it ad infinitum Bin Laden denied ever having any links or training from CIA, all aid was directed via ISI of Pakistan and you'd think Al-Qaeda would make a massive thing of using US weapons against them... but for the dim brigade Bin Laden was a CIA trained operative... Or in reality like many Shaheed and jihadis he had a massive sense of guilt and fear of not being forgiven his sins for doing lots of haram activities- tawba is the biggest recruiterfor suicide bombers among conservative muslim societies. He was textbook newfound pious jihadi trying to 'atone for his sins' and religious recruiters no doubt told him lesser jihad was his only path to paradise because of it. But to the ignorant the conspiracy theories and stupidity of the internet are their sources of truth Same the Moscow attacks - it apparently now is 'a US double bluff to absolve Ukraine'. Just madness You are of course correct in this post. But what I can't understand for the life of me, and also not the most important point in this What I don't get, is they are showing a photo of a guy with a grey beard who potentially dyed his beard and trimmed it. But claim it as like some kind of time traveling alien conspiracy... I mean maybe I've missed the point, but from the photos on this chat now, looks like a dyed beard. What is interesting is that Lucky Larry didn't bother commenting on having his ar@e handed to him over Strelkov and his entire HPC empire of lies that he has tried to establish here instead he attempted to obfuscate with dodgy pictures of a long dead middle eastern wizard lookalike which has absolutely nothing to do with this current conversation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 12 minutes ago, Grayphil said: You are of course correct in this post. But what I can't understand for the life of me, and also not the most important point in this What I don't get, is they are showing a photo of a guy with a grey beard who potentially dyed his beard and trimmed it. But claim it as like some kind of time traveling alien conspiracy... I mean maybe I've missed the point, but from the photos on this chat now, looks like a dyed beard. What is interesting is that Lucky Larry didn't bother commenting on having his ar@e handed to him over Strelkov and his entire HPC empire of lies that he has tried to establish here instead he attempted to obfuscate with dodgy pictures of a long dead middle eastern wizard lookalike which has absolutely nothing to do with this current conversation If in doubt default pivot to Arab Gandalf, Iraq ,Gedaffi Duck and anything else that fits their loony tunes adventure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumble bee Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 8 hours ago, Staffsknot said: I think we are at the spice to get off the heroin to get off the morphine stage with a domazopan chaser stage if we are being honest Ukraine is now in fentanyl fragmenting stage ... Kuleba calls on allies to provide Ukraine with Patriot air defense systems Dmytro Kuleba held several meetings on April 3 with Ukraine's allies in Brussels, discussing strengthening Ukrainian air defense systems, the minister wrote on X. "Ukraine is currently the only country in the world that defends itself against ballistic missile attacks almost every day." Kuleba stressed Ukraine's need for Patriot air defense systems, saying that "there is no more important place for them" other than Ukraine. Earlier, Kuleba told Reuters that Ukraine's partners had more than 100 Patriot systems at their disposal, but they did not want to share at least five or seven of them – the minimum required number to significantly improve additional protection, according to Kyiv's calculations. https://www.yahoo.com/news/kuleba-calls-allies-ukraine-patriot-200421696.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMqJ8OnOl5iPtbbgTDlUHs8DJk2FYPed0eFu2Hp5O6hmEDCX26yX3g1qXHoNFItanSS_4uyC8P6hDvZGFo17quvFHzy1PUNWANJUSVNDxrXy4YMAKXp7v6PvBJVt2fOsObz1Co4OwRjzdHMijB4pdkeHsOEb8m7M_RT1nH9y0nQK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumble bee Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 France is not ready for peace negotiations ... the war must go on ... France denies showing readiness for Ukraine dialogue in Russia talks France denied Russian claims that it expressed willingness to hold dialogue on Ukraine or discuss possible peace negotiations when the two countries' defence ministers spoke on Wednesday. Two years after Moscow's invasion of Ukraine, Russia's defence ministry said, "Readiness for a dialogue on Ukraine was noted" in the call between France's Sebastien Lecornu and his Russian counterpart, Sergei Shoigu. It said a starting point for discussions could be the 2022 talks between the Russia and Ukraine sides in Turkey which ended without results. "It is not true," a French government source said. "At no moment did we show any willingness to dialogue on Ukraine or negotiations or anything like that." https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-defence-ministry-says-talks-with-french-minister-show-readiness-ukraine-2024-04-03/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 6 minutes ago, bumble bee said: France is not ready for peace negotiations ... the war must go on ... France denies showing readiness for Ukraine dialogue in Russia talks France denied Russian claims that it expressed willingness to hold dialogue on Ukraine or discuss possible peace negotiations when the two countries' defence ministers spoke on Wednesday. Two years after Moscow's invasion of Ukraine, Russia's defence ministry said, "Readiness for a dialogue on Ukraine was noted" in the call between France's Sebastien Lecornu and his Russian counterpart, Sergei Shoigu. It said a starting point for discussions could be the 2022 talks between the Russia and Ukraine sides in Turkey which ended without results. "It is not true," a French government source said. "At no moment did we show any willingness to dialogue on Ukraine or negotiations or anything like that." https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-defence-ministry-says-talks-with-french-minister-show-readiness-ukraine-2024-04-03/ It's Russia who don't want peace negotiations. But all of Europe is firmly aware now of the evils of Russia, they realise that large portions of the US have been bought by Russia, including Trump, it seems a Russian businessman, with close links to Putin lent Trump media enough money to stay afloat in 2022.. The positive news Is Europe is coming together to guarantee the security of Ukraine from the Russian barbarians Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumble bee Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 28 minutes ago, Grayphil said: It's Russia who don't want peace negotiations. But all of Europe is firmly aware now of the evils of Russia, they realise that large portions of the US have been bought by Russia, including Trump, it seems a Russian businessman, with close links to Putin lent Trump media enough money to stay afloat in 2022.. The positive news Is Europe is coming together to guarantee the security of Ukraine from the Russian barbarians You are becoming a laughing stock, are you not? Minsk agreements, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, ordered Kyiv to scrap the peace negotiation deal ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satsuma Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, Grayphil said: It's Russia who don't want peace negotiations. But all of Europe is firmly aware now of the evils of Russia, they realise that large portions of the US have been bought by Russia, including Trump, it seems a Russian businessman, with close links to Putin lent Trump media enough money to stay afloat in 2022.. The positive news Is Europe is coming together to guarantee the security of Ukraine from the Russian barbarians Russia must have some real dirt on Trump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 2 hours ago, bumble bee said: Ukraine is now in fentanyl fragmenting stage ... Kuleba calls on allies to provide Ukraine with Patriot air defense systems Dmytro Kuleba held several meetings on April 3 with Ukraine's allies in Brussels, discussing strengthening Ukrainian air defense systems, the minister wrote on X. "Ukraine is currently the only country in the world that defends itself against ballistic missile attacks almost every day." Kuleba stressed Ukraine's need for Patriot air defense systems, saying that "there is no more important place for them" other than Ukraine. Earlier, Kuleba told Reuters that Ukraine's partners had more than 100 Patriot systems at their disposal, but they did not want to share at least five or seven of them – the minimum required number to significantly improve additional protection, according to Kyiv's calculations. https://www.yahoo.com/news/kuleba-calls-allies-ukraine-patriot-200421696.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMqJ8OnOl5iPtbbgTDlUHs8DJk2FYPed0eFu2Hp5O6hmEDCX26yX3g1qXHoNFItanSS_4uyC8P6hDvZGFo17quvFHzy1PUNWANJUSVNDxrXy4YMAKXp7v6PvBJVt2fOsObz1Co4OwRjzdHMijB4pdkeHsOEb8m7M_RT1nH9y0nQK Wibble but nice try Rollover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, bumble bee said: You are becoming a laughing stock, are you not? Minsk agreements, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, ordered Kyiv to scrap the peace negotiation deal ... Wibble Rollover you are the resident laughing stock, that's why you had to create a new account remember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timm Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Hi Staffs. As an aside, are there any figures / estimates of the likely launch to strike ratios of ICBMs? That is to say, what percentage might be expected to successfully reach their target? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumble bee Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Russia says it is in 'direct confrontation' with NATO Relations between Russia and NATO have slid to the level of direct confrontation, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov has claimed. He alleged some NATO countries are involved in the war in Ukraine, and that the military alliance is expanding its military infrastructure towards Russia's borders. "In fact, NATO continues to demonstrate its essence, because NATO was envisioned as an alliance, configured, created and managed by the United States as an instrument of confrontation, primarily on the European continent," Mr Peskov said. "NATO continues to fulfil its functions in this regard, which, however, in no way contributes to security, predictability and stability on the continent, but on the contrary - represents a destabilising factor." https://news.sky.com/story/russia-ukraine-latest-war-putin-live-updates-12541713 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Larry Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 14 hours ago, Staffsknot said: Yep and there's quite a few wibble merchants on here that really display the logic of small kids Claim Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda attack US ( which they then deny happened), Bin Laden & Al-Qaeda are in Afghanistan... but forget all thst and wail 'why didn't you bomb Saudi Arabia where individual donors lived'... Who is denying that the attacks on 9/11 happened? , here's the logic of a small kid , claim there are videos of a plane hitting the Pentagon then refuse to post the videos of said plane because there is no video , it was "wibble" claim the Plasco tower was built to the same standards as the WTC then link an article that exposed it had 22 violations of flimsy Iranian building regs ( more wibble) you have to be a special kind of stupid to provide a link that defeats your own wibble . As for Afghanistan , the US claimed bin Laden was responsible and asked for his extradition , the Taliban said if he has done this then you can have him , show us the evidence . There was no evidence linking bin Laden to 9/11 the CIA admitted that when asked why he had never been indicted for that crime . The US then falsely claimed the Taliban refused to hand him over and started yet another war illegally . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Larry Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 14 hours ago, Grayphil said: What is interesting is that Lucky Larry didn't bother commenting on having his ar@e handed to him over Strelkov one fruitloop looking for infamy doesn't constitute evidence , cry harder ya numptie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 15 hours ago, Grayphil said: You are of course correct in this post. But what I can't understand for the life of me, and also not the most important point in this What I don't get, is they are showing a photo of a guy with a grey beard who potentially dyed his beard and trimmed it. But claim it as like some kind of time traveling alien conspiracy... I mean maybe I've missed the point, but from the photos on this chat now, looks like a dyed beard. What is interesting is that Lucky Larry didn't bother commenting on having his ar@e handed to him over Strelkov and his entire HPC empire of lies that he has tried to establish here instead he attempted to obfuscate with dodgy pictures of a long dead middle eastern wizard lookalike which has absolutely nothing to do with this current conversation This is what I was trying to explain earlier, in particular in the wtc weirdness. Relatively simple facts, easily checkable are repetitively being bent out of shape. And I mean really simple, uncontroversial facts. As in much much easier to get right than wrong... Maybe we should just put together a reference post so no more time wasted refuting rubbish eg 1 BJ started the War 2 Nuland started the War 3 Merkel started the War 4 Maidan and Orange revolutions were evil plots by the West against poor Ukrainians 5 Russia had nuffink to do wiv anyfink guvnor Heres my contribution 4 Maidan Revolution Quote Ever since the Euromaidan protest movement first emerged in Kyiv in late November 2013, it has been a favored target of Russian information warfare. For the past seven years, Moscow has promoted false narratives about the uprising in order to undermine its pro-democracy credentials and justify the subsequent Russian invasion of Crimea and eastern Ukraine. https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/how-ukraines-orange-revolution-shaped-twenty-first-century-geopolitics/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satsuma Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 55 minutes ago, pig said: This is what I was trying to explain earlier, in particular in the wtc weirdness. Relatively simple facts, easily checkable are repetitively being bent out of shape. And I mean really simple, uncontroversial facts. As in much much easier to get right than wrong... Maybe we should just put together a reference post so no more time wasted refuting rubbish eg 1 BJ started the War 2 Nuland started the War 3 Merkel started the War 4 Maidan and Orange revolutions were evil plots by the West against poor Ukrainians 5 Russia had nuffink to do wiv anyfink guvnor Heres my contribution 4 Maidan Revolution https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/how-ukraines-orange-revolution-shaped-twenty-first-century-geopolitics/ Don’t forget “Russia tortures, rapes and cuts the ears off suspects, but the US put a dog leash on a guy once” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 53 minutes ago, satsuma said: Don’t forget “Russia tortures, rapes and cuts the ears off suspects, but the US put a dog leash on a guy once” ...and actually sent the soldiers who did it to jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 6 hours ago, Timm said: Hi Staffs. As an aside, are there any figures / estimates of the likely launch to strike ratios of ICBMs? That is to say, what percentage might be expected to successfully reach their target? Not accurate ones that you could bet your life on. Probably 50% or more but part of the equation is that there aren't enough interceptor missiles nor coverage to prevent the number of fatal to the world strikes that would be generated by a full global launch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 5 hours ago, bumble bee said: Russia says it is in 'direct confrontation' with NATO Relations between Russia and NATO have slid to the level of direct confrontation, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov has claimed. He alleged some NATO countries are involved in the war in Ukraine, and that the military alliance is expanding its military infrastructure towards Russia's borders. "In fact, NATO continues to demonstrate its essence, because NATO was envisioned as an alliance, configured, created and managed by the United States as an instrument of confrontation, primarily on the European continent," Mr Peskov said. "NATO continues to fulfil its functions in this regard, which, however, in no way contributes to security, predictability and stability on the continent, but on the contrary - represents a destabilising factor." https://news.sky.com/story/russia-ukraine-latest-war-putin-live-updates-12541713 Wibble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 3 hours ago, Lucky Larry said: one fruitloop looking for infamy doesn't constitute evidence , cry harder ya numptie Read your post directly above, kinda shows you as the fruitloop to all reading. Unless you are correct and I have been brainwashed by the MSM and my Pineal gland has been calcified by the fluoride in the water, the chemtrails have left me mad, and HAARP via 5G is affecting my logic processing faculties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Larry Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 16 minutes ago, Grayphil said: I have been brainwashed by the MSM and my Pineal gland has been calcified by the fluoride in the water, the chemtrails have left me mad, and HAARP via 5G is affecting my logic processing faculties that's the most accurate thing you've ever written on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Larry Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, satsuma said: Don’t forget “Russia tortures, rapes and cuts the ears off suspects, but the US put a dog leash on a guy once” once? fukk me , Guantanamo bay , the helicopter killing Iraqi civilians for fun , sending weapons to a state murdering babies , 2 atom bombs on civilian cities , napalm , agent orange, 1 million dead in Iraq , 500 000 children starved to death through sanctions (that failed , but were worth it) gas chambers and electric chairs to kill their own . Behave yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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