Drat Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 34 minutes ago, DiggerUK said: The Russian Special Military Operation as they describe it started in 2022, the civil war started in 2014. No Russian tanks were in involved in 2014..._ I suggest you go and read up what happend in Ukraine in 2014, particularly Crimea in April and the Donbas in August Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70PC Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Pro Putin posts seem to be getting more childish and petulant by the week. For example, "thanks for proving the point" in response to Tony Radakin's comments. In another case, a foreign invasion is described as a civil war. Even rational people Russians would see such comments for what they are. I am not qualified on front line matters but there is more to this than square kilometres per day. The evidence is that Ukraine is systematically degrading Russias' capability and moral. This is exposing the disquiet and disunity which clearly lies below the surface in Russia. Generals are being thrown in jail and troops are abandoning their posts. As to what is happening within the power structure is anyone's guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, 70PC said: Pro Putin posts seem to be getting more childish and petulant by the week. For example, "thanks for proving the point" in response to Tony Radakin's comments. In another case, a foreign invasion is described as a civil war. Even rational people Russians would see such comments for what they are. I am not qualified on front line matters but there is more to this than square kilometres per day. The evidence is that Ukraine is systematically degrading Russias' capability and moral. This is exposing the disquiet and disunity which clearly lies below the surface in Russia. Generals are being thrown in jail and troops are abandoning their posts. As to what is happening within the power structure is anyone's guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up the spout Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 11 hours ago, rollover said: This is only beginning, first stage ... ... second will be, after US election campaign begins ... and Biden will close the tab ... ... moment in time after 10 years ... Ha, admit this is in your dreams. Don't worry; one day you'll wake up (unless you ever grow a pair and head for line zero). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 14 minutes ago, Drat said: I suggest you go and read up what happend in Ukraine in 2014, particularly Crimea in April and the Donbas in August History, you are bad at it, are you not? 2014 Euromaidan, 100 protesters were gunned down in the Maidan uprising, 48 burned alive and over 200 were injured by Euromaidan supporters in the Odessa House of Trade Unions ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Just now, Up the spout said: Ha, admit this is in your dreams. Don't worry; one day you'll wake up (unless you ever grow a pair and head for line zero). Unfortunately this is reality and not a dream ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70PC Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Two points. Too many childish posts from the pro Putin lobby. Analysis from the armchair generals has not taken account of what Russians are doing to themselves 8 minutes ago, rollover said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaky Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 I have noticed that there does seem to be a strong correlation between people who: 1. Want to rejoin the EU 2. Support Ukraine 3. Think women can have a p*nis I'm guessing that the last remaining humans on the planet - after a massive nuclear war - can keep arguing on the above points until they die of radiation sickness. So it goes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up the spout Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, rollover said: Unfortunately this is reality and not a dream ... Oh, you must be one of those people who can see into the future - a bit like Ares and Shazam (DC Comics) or Mantis (Marvel Comics). How's double geography going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drat Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, 70PC said: Two points. Too many childish posts from the pro Putin lobby. Analysis from the armchair generals has not taken account of what Russians are doing to themselves We had about 2 days of intelligent comment and debate on here which coincidentaly occured during Rollover's temporary ban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, steaky said: I have noticed that there does seem to be a strong correlation between people who: 1. Want to rejoin the EU 2. Support Ukraine 3. Think women can have a p*nis I'm guessing that the last remaining humans on the planet - after a massive nuclear war - can keep arguing on the above points until they die of radiation sickness. So it goes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 11 minutes ago, Up the spout said: Oh, you must be one of those people who can see into the future - a bit like Ares and Shazam (DC Comics) or Mantis (Marvel Comics). How's double geography going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70PC Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, rollover said: Something we can both agree on. Edited July 5, 2023 by 70PC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, 70PC said: Something we can both agree on. Glad, about your honest self-critique ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 51 minutes ago, 70PC said: Pro Putin posts seem to be getting more childish and petulant by the week. For example, "thanks for proving the point" in response to Tony Radakin's comments. In another case, a foreign invasion is described as a civil war. Even rational people Russians would see such comments for what they are. I am not qualified on front line matters but there is more to this than square kilometres per day. The evidence is that Ukraine is systematically degrading Russias' capability and moral. This is exposing the disquiet and disunity which clearly lies below the surface in Russia. Generals are being thrown in jail and troops are abandoning their posts. As to what is happening within the power structure is anyone's guess. I believe the situation on the ground, as you would expect, is mixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Drat said: I suggest you go and read up what happend in Ukraine in 2014, particularly Crimea in April and the Donbas in August Where did those Wagner troops deployed in Donbas & Crimea get their funding & weapons from... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/russian-gold-trail-leads-to-switzerland/48631804 Swiss are continuing their long and proud tradition of laundering Nazi gold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 3 hours ago, DiggerUK said: The Russian Special Military Operation as they describe it started in 2022, the civil war started in 2014. No Russian tanks were in involved in 2014..._ Russias invasion of Ukraine started in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 2 hours ago, 70PC said: Pro Putin posts seem to be getting more childish and petulant by the week. For example, "thanks for proving the point" in response to Tony Radakin's comments. In another case, a foreign invasion is described as a civil war. Even rational people Russians would see such comments for what they are. I am not qualified on front line matters but there is more to this than square kilometres per day. The evidence is that Ukraine is systematically degrading Russias' capability and moral. This is exposing the disquiet and disunity which clearly lies below the surface in Russia. Generals are being thrown in jail and troops are abandoning their posts. As to what is happening within the power structure is anyone's guess. Nobody knows how its 'really' going. Good or bad there is an expectation that this part of the war will be slow and bloody and the spectrum of opinion runs from a couple of months to a couple of years for 'something' decisive or conclusive. However it sounds like the Trolls are worried about reporting on the war, and Russia itself is threatening a nuclear incident so it does come across that Russia perceives a risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70PC Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, pig said: Nobody knows how its 'really' going. Good or bad there is an expectation that this part of the war will be slow and bloody and the spectrum of opinion runs from a couple of months to a couple of years for 'something' decisive or conclusive. However it sounds like the Trolls are worried about reporting on the war, and Russia itself is threatening a nuclear incident so it does come across that Russia perceives a risk. Exactly right. The nuclear issue is evidence of desparation. I am also certain Putin will be out office in minutes if he tries to go anywhere near the nuclear button. Rational heads within his regime will appreciate the consequences of doing this even if he doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, 70PC said: Exactly right. The nuclear issue is evidence of desparation. I am also certain Putin will be out office in minutes if he tries to go anywhere near the nuclear button. Rational heads within his regime will appreciate the consequences of doing this even if he doesn't. The consequence of going nuclear being Russia and Russians being erased from history Meantime Russia is running out of tanks sending more ww2 relics Edited July 5, 2023 by yelims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Chinese masters of Russian serfs have spoken https://www.ft.com/content/c5ce76df-9b1b-4dfc-a619-07da1d40cbd3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70PC Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 19 hours ago, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said: +1 agree 4-Phuck-sake, this thread has become even more embarrassing now, like primary school playground squabbles. Na na na Na na, seriously immature and ignorant tribal dogmatic shite. Yes there have been stupid comments. Most have come from Putin supporters. Why anyone supports him is beyond me and your post trivialises the serious comment. Putin has sent men to invade and kill people on foreign soil. He will not win. Family and friends on both sides will condemn him for decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Putin shutdown Prigozhin's media empire but in making lots of story for hire types unemployed they arefinding ways to push the real news out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 8 hours ago, DiggerUK said: The Russian Special Military Operation as they describe it started in 2022, the civil war started in 2014. No Russian tanks were in involved in 2014..._ Yes, that reminds me of the Polish civil war which happened when Hitler invaded their country. And the Chinese civil war when the Japanese invaded too. And the Kuwaiti civil war when Saddam invaded. And the Anglo-Saxon civil war when the Vikings invaded here. Funny how peaceful people of a country start shooting each other when they are invaded isn't it? Was WW2 a just war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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