spyguy Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, iamnumerate said: I agree with you in many cases but not these ones, sorry. Which bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlord Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) According to the convention Asylum should be sought in the first safe country you pass through. As we're an island we should have little to no asylum going on here beyond agreed international quotas of people from war torn countries or camps which should be a few thousand a year (?) or something like that. Edited July 21, 2020 by Warlord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, Warlord said: According to the convention Asylum should be sought in the first safe country you pass through. As we're an island we should have little to no asylum going on here beyond agreed international quotas of people from war torn countries or camps which should be a few thousand a year (?) or something like that. We have an obligation to contribute. I have no problems with that. However, listen to this https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000ktxk Where, eventually, the reporter took a hardish line on the asylum seeker from Iran, whod sought refuge in the UK from ... France. Apparently, according to the Iranian, they had a gentleman agreement with the people smuggler to not stay in France, where the French government had housed them. yeah right ... In my life time, the pop of iran has risen from 20m (1970) to 81m Id suggest that, in this case, Iranians are seeking asylum from other iranians.    Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamnumerate Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, spyguy said: Which bit? If people are in genuine danger in Iraq/Sri Lanka then I don't have problems with them claiming asylum here. Although I suppose it could be cheaper and more effective to pay for camps in neighbouring countries. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlord Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, iamnumerate said: If people are in genuine danger in Iraq/Sri Lanka then I don't have problems with them claiming asylum here. Although I suppose it could be cheaper and more effective to pay for camps in neighbouring countries.  Hang on,. The convention says they have to claim asylum in the first safe country so how they magically appear in the UK? We should have very little asylum. Would the Japanese put up with the levels we do? I don;t think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlord Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, spyguy said:  Apparently, according to the Iranian, they had a gentleman agreement with the people smuggler to not stay in France, where the French government had housed them. yeah right ... In my life time, the pop of iran has risen from 20m (1970) to 81m Id suggest that, in this case, Iranians are seeking asylum from other iranians.  Yeah we should send them back to the safe country of France. It's ridiculous No other country would put up with this nonsense i.e see fellow island nation Japan who tolerate very little "immigration" .  Edited July 21, 2020 by Warlord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, iamnumerate said: If people are in genuine danger in Iraq/Sri Lanka then I don't have problems with them claiming asylum here. Although I suppose it could be cheaper and more effective to pay for camps in neighbouring countries. Â IN the case of Sri Lanka, theres an entire state that shares language and culture. Its about ~80miles by boat from Jaffna. In the case of Iraq, most of the rebels are Shia, so could have sought asylum in Iran. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Warlord said: Yeah we should send them back to the safe country of France. It's ridiculous No other country would put up with this nonsense i.e see fellow island nation Japan who tolerate very little "immigration" .  In general I dont think we should accept people from countries where Brits go on holiday..... Ditto, any country will regular flights into the UK. if the country can run an airline they it can deal with disgruntled citizens.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlord Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, spyguy said: In general I dont think we should accept people from countries where Brits go on holiday..... Ditto, any country will regular flights into the UK. if the country can run an airline they it can deal with disgruntled citizens.  That would be a good start. Where are all the asylum seekers in AU, NZ, Japan etc? They come here because they get free accommodation and benefits, (including healthcare)  & we're a soft touch.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 53 minutes ago, shlomo said: As you get older you seem to be getting more right wing Well ... when I was younger, say, 20, the UK did not get much in the way of asylum seekers. The only notable case I can remember was Ugandan asians, one of which I went to school with. 27000 arrived in the UK. Thats just a months arrival in the UK now ...  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Warlord said: Yeah we should send them back to the safe country of France. It's ridiculous No other country would put up with this nonsense i.e see fellow island nation Japan who tolerate very little "immigration" .  When did this turn into the EDL annual spoons day out? Oh yes, Japan is well known for limiting immigration - and what happened to their house prices?  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlord Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, msi said: When did this turn into the EDL annual spoons day out? Oh yes, Japan is well known for limiting immigration - and what happened to their house prices? Â I'm not a member of EDL, the tories or any political party or group despite your trolling of me I can assure you. Japans house prices crashed in 1992... Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, Warlord said: That would be a good start. Where are all the asylum seekers in AU, NZ, Japan etc? They come here because they get free accommodation and benefits, (including healthcare)  & we're a soft touch.   Thee does seem a bit of bias in seeking asylum in countries with welfare states. Take the case of Somalis in the US. Somehow, by magic, theyve all turned up at the state with the highest welfare.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, msi said: When did this turn into the EDL annual spoons day out? Oh yes, Japan is well known for limiting immigration - and what happened to their house prices?  The large number of migrants arriving in the UK, legal or not, are a large part of the BTL story. A rough estimate is that the UK population has increased by ~15m to 20m since 2000.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Warlord said: I'm not a member of EDL, the tories or any political party or group despite your trolling of me I can assure you. I think taking a thread titled 'The BTL trolls are bricking it' and taking yet another immigration thread is closer to trolling Quote Japans house prices crashed in 1992... and where are they now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantnrave Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Warlord said: That would be a good start. Where are all the asylum seekers in AU, NZ, Japan etc? They come here because they get free accommodation and benefits, (including healthcare)  & we're a soft touch.   Well Australia banished asylum seekers to the remote Pacific islands of Nauru and Manus. Human Rights people took them to courts, which became a very protracted process. During which time, the numbers trying to arrive in Australia plummeted. As for Japan - the lack of people learning the language elsewhere is a very significant barrier. Good luck to anyone rocking up there without that and trying to find a job, obtain housing etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlord Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, msi said: I think taking a thread titled 'The BTL trolls are bricking it' and taking yet another immigration thread is closer to trolling and where are they now? Well, I do apologise. I have no idea about Japans current HP.'s It's actually very hard to find data on them unless you can speak/read the language Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, spyguy said: The large number of migrants arriving in the UK, legal or not, are a large part of the BTL story. A rough estimate is that the UK population has increased by ~15m to 20m since 2000.   Immigration vs Natural birth (aka Vaginashire vs Borderstan) has been covered before. The figures speak for themselves - only the blind magically 'net off'. Credit Supply is the primary cause of HPI - stop that and you have instant HPC. Every prop has been to keep the credit supply alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantnrave Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, msi said: I think taking a thread titled 'The BTL trolls are bricking it' and taking yet another immigration thread is closer to trolling and where are they now? Tokyo still cheaper than swathes of England. Can't compare like for like though with the type of accommodation on offer between the two countries being very different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, rantnrave said: Tokyo still cheaper than swathes of England. Can't compare like for like though with the type of accommodation on offer between the two countries being very different. In the 2nd sentence you've admitted to not comparing apples with apples, and still make a sweeping statement in the first sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantnrave Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, msi said: In the 2nd sentence you've admitted to not comparing apples with apples, and still make a sweeping statement in the first sentence. It's still shelter. People in England and Japan still need a roof over their heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlord Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) Milton Friedman (famous economist) said you can't have open borders and a welfare state. I agree with that principle . We should as an island nation have very little immigrants etc and benefits like HB and healthcare should be for Brits only. Its just not sustainable otherwise .  Edited July 21, 2020 by Warlord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ah-so Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 31 minutes ago, Warlord said: Hang on,. The convention says they have to claim asylum in the first safe country so how they magically appear in the UK? We should have very little asylum. Would the Japanese put up with the levels we do? I don;t think so. Aeroplanes mean that the first safe country can be, and frequently is, the first safe country. An impact of having Heathrow as a global hub airport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlord Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, Ah-so said: Aeroplanes mean that the first safe country can be, and frequently is, the first safe country. An impact of having Heathrow as a global hub airport. Send them back FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ah-so Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 32 minutes ago, spyguy said: IN the case of Sri Lanka, theres an entire state that shares language and culture. Its about ~80miles by boat from Jaffna. In the case of Iraq, most of the rebels are Shia, so could have sought asylum in Iran.  There are over 100 Sri Lankan refugee camps in Tamil Nadu. I would not recommend that Catholic Iraqi refugees flee to Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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