Renter surge could throw Tories out of power

[iamnumerate]

12 hours ago, Funn3r said:

It's hard to know what's what and who to trust. If everyone is like me then the whole world must be just getting desperate inside watching the world get worse every day but not a thing I can do about it. 

I feel like that and then I read things like a Labour MP saying

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‘Those abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths. For the good of diversity.’

And think it could be even worse - she could be home office minister under Corbyn!

http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/23/mp-shares-tweet-saying-abuse-victims-should-shut-their-mouths-for-good-of-diversity-6872181/

[PopGun]

42 minutes ago, iamnumerate said:

I feel like that and then I read things like a Labour MP saying

And think it could be even worse - she could be home office minister under Corbyn!

http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/23/mp-shares-tweet-saying-abuse-victims-should-shut-their-mouths-for-good-of-diversity-6872181/

Despicable. A parody article may I add but still imo bad taste.

However I could post every tory mister meaner, but I don't have the bandwidth.

Seriously, you and Byron are coming across as an ever more desperate tory shills.

Edited April 10, 2018 by PopGun

[btl_hater]

So to summarise, everyone under the age of 40 are better off voting Tory? Got it.

[iamnumerate]

Just now, btl_hater said:

So to summarise, everyone under the age of 40 are better off voting Tory? Got it.

No both parties are rubbish.

[iamnumerate]

11 minutes ago, PopGun said:

Despicable. A parody article may I add but still imo bad taste.

However I could post every tory mister meaner, but I don't have the bandwidth.

Seriously, you and Byron are coming across as an ever more desperate tory shills.

I don't like the Tories I support UKIP I just dislike Labour even more.  If someone started a thread saying how great Teresa May is I would point how rubbish she is as well!

Fortunately no one does think she is great. 

 

Sadly neither Teresa May nor Corbyn have any problems with a Labour MP calling for

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‘Those abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths. For the good of diversity.’

Which shows how incompetent they are.  They should have both used it as opportunity to draw attention to them and call for girls to go to the police (about 20+ years too late of course).

Edited April 10, 2018 by iamnumerate

[Dorkins]

44 minutes ago, iamnumerate said:

No both parties are rubbish.

So who should under-45s vote for?

[winkie]

11 hours ago, Byron said:

As far as I am concerned, Labour will never get another vote from me,

"Fool me once.....................................

Thing is there is good and bad in all political parties, never voted for them, the bad outweighed the good......Darling was one of the better, but they all say, think then do the opposite.

[iamnumerate]

Just now, Dorkins said:

So who should under-45s vote for?

Good question.  (Although why under 45s only, there are priced out people over 45 as well, which shows how long this has been going on for).

I would say UKIP or spoil your ballot paper (some might say they are the same).

Both Labour and the Tories support HTB for example, tax credits and were pretty rubbish over the various grooming scandals.  Labour had the Iraq war of course, the Tories got involved in Libya (although the fighting started before they got involved so they were less guilty).

They both seem to be very anti freedom of speech if someone criticizes Islam but not Christianity or Scientology (why should Tom Cruise not have the same protection for his religion as Muslims?).

I could go on with their faults but I don't have the time and you probably wouldn't have the time to read it.

I think the only thing sadder than someone who votes for a rubbish party thinking that the others are even worse, is someone who thinks that a rubbish party is good.

[Fence]

33 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

So who should under-45s vote for?

The "spoilt ballot paper" party.  They have to disclose the number of spoilt ballot papers.  Shows you made the effort but damned them all. 

Edited April 10, 2018 by Fence

[Funn3r]

I have given up on both Tory and Labour. Will vote for anyone who says "no more red v. blue posturing, no more of the same old crap". I would have voted for Trump (even though he's theoretically Tory isn't he?) if I lived in USA. Corbyn is my only UK option despite Byron's list of why not.   To the Corbyn-haters, I am open to your alternative suggestions, although can't/don't want to waste my vote on a no-chance party such as UKIP.  The fact that we're even having this conversation shows how bad things have got.

[Funn3r]

9 minutes ago, Fence said:

The "spoilt ballot paper" party.  Shows you made the effort but damned them all. 

When I was a kid "Batman" was on TV and there was an episode which everyone was talking about where Batman ran for mayor of Gotham City. A few weeks later there was a local election and the result was exactly the same number of votes for each of the major candidates. Someone had spoilt their paper by voting for Batman and there was much hilarity about how that crucial vote could have won it for somebody.

[Dorkins]

45 minutes ago, Fence said:

The "spoilt ballot paper" party.  They have to disclose the number of spoilt ballot papers.  Shows you made the effort but damned them all. 

Pointless. Politicians want to get elected and spoilt ballots are no obstacle to that. 

[iamnumerate]

Just now, Dorkins said:

Pointless. Politicians want to get elected and spoilt ballots are no obstacle to that. 

If there were a significant number of spoilt ballots politicians would try to get those voters to vote for them.  If all parties support the same bad policy e.g. HTB then you cannot vote against it, only refuse to vote for it.

[Dorkins]

Just now, iamnumerate said:

If there were a significant number of spoilt ballots politicians would try to get those voters to vote for them.  If all parties support the same bad policy e.g. HTB then you cannot vote against it, only refuse to vote for it.

Candidates would much rather pick up votes from their nearest opponent than abstentions/spoilt ballots, arithmetically they are worth double.

Unfortunately under FPTP and political parties with broad manifestos it's difficult to express your opinion about a specific policy.

[iamnumerate]

1 minute ago, Dorkins said:

Candidates would much rather pick up votes from their nearest opponent than abstentions/spoilt ballots, arithmetically they are worth double.

Unfortunately under FPTP and political parties with broad manifestos it's difficult to express your opinion about a specific policy.

I did say significant number although I take your point about FPTP.

Spoilt ballots are people whose mind can be changed whilst some people will never vote for party x, even if party y's leader insults them personally.

[Shrink Proof]

29 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

Candidates would much rather pick up votes from their nearest opponent than abstentions/spoilt ballots, arithmetically they are worth double.

Unfortunately under FPTP and political parties with broad manifestos it's difficult to express your opinion about a specific policy.

Another problem with FPTP is that it pushes you into voting against the party you hate most rather than voting for the one you most want. Making politics inherently destructive, not constructive.

I remember my workplace the morning after the 1997 election, where folk were delighted that the Tories had got a well-merited beating, having had seven shades of sh1t knocked out of them. Much talk of "Portillo moments" and the like. Everyone was happy that the Tories lost.

But I didn't hear a single one who was actively pleased that Labour won.

[MARTINX9]

3 hours ago, iamnumerate said:

No both parties are rubbish.

Yes - but given this site is about wanting a house price crash that is far more likely in the short to medium term under Corbyn. May and Hammond will do whatever it takes to avoid upsetting their home owning core vote.

Crash the economy crash house prices vote Labour. You know it makes no sense but nothing else has worked so far!

[Assume The Opposite]

I'm a millennial and to me unless your part of the elite club then voting Tory now you must be delusional or sadomasochistic. 

Neoliberalism is the politics of the establishment and has captured the Tory party along with New Labour under Blair. Other countries have taken up the neoliberal mantal which has a  kind of reverse socialism for the elite and crumbs for the rest of us, enforced by an authoritarian government.

When you look around the world and disregard left/right you see leaders of political parties rebelling against the establishment and have the full force of MSM used against them.

Brexit, Trump, Corbyn, La Pen, Orban (Hungary), Five Star in Italy, Podemus in Spain, Syriza are all expressions of people voting for anything but the establishment figures trotted out to voters. 

Apparently I'm a left libertarian according to political compass but have same concerns and views about unrestricted immigration someone 'on the right' would think, and can't stand the liberal 'I'm offended' views being pushed on us. 

Go figure

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[zugzwang]

14 hours ago, Byron said:

As far as I am concerned, Labour will never get another vote from me,

"Fool me once.....................................

I felt exactly the same until Jezza took over. Still despise Blair, Brown, Straw et al.

[PopGun]

3 hours ago, iamnumerate said:

 I support UKIP

bless.. a UKIP supporter taking the moral highground..

Edited April 10, 2018 by PopGun

[PopGun]

4 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

I felt exactly the same until Jezza took over. Still despise Blair, Brown, Straw et al.

+1 I didn't even know who JC was until the New Labour twuntery started attacking him. Funny thing is if they just ignored him rather than insist on throwing smeared $hit at him at every opportunity, his challenge would have faded into distant memory.

[Byron]

3 hours ago, PopGun said:

 

Seriously, you and Byron are coming across as an ever more desperate tory shills.

Ad Hominem.

If you don't like the message then don't attack the messenger.

What we see on this forum is a handful of Corbynites shouting their wares and getting hot under the collar with hecklers.

Regardless of policies, statistically Labour should win the 2022 election just as a result of the natural to and fro swing of UK politics.

Personally, after having had charismatic leaders like Blair, I prefer a rather weak leader like Mrs May.

Mr Corbin is also a weak leader and has a certain appeal. For me, the problem is that he is like a rugby hooker needing to be firmly supported by his prop forwards, McDonnell and Abbot.

[Lurkerbelow]

13 minutes ago, Byron said:

Ad Hominem.

If you don't like the message then don't attack the messenger.

What we see on this forum is a handful of Corbynites shouting their wares and getting hot under the collar with hecklers.

Regardless of policies, statistically Labour should win the 2022 election just as a result of the natural to and fro swing of UK politics.

Personally, after having had charismatic leaders like Blair, I prefer a rather weak leader like Mrs May.

Mr Corbin is also a weak leader and has a certain appeal. For me, the problem is that he is like a rugby hooker needing to be firmly supported by his prop forwards, McDonnell and Abbot.

You don't do introspection do you?

[PopGun]

15 minutes ago, Lurkerbelow said:

You don't do introspection do you?

Good to know the likes of Byron will do whatever they can from the play book to maintian the status quo.

[PopGun]

33 minutes ago, Byron said:

Ad Hominem.

If you don't like the message then don't attack the messenger.

What we see on this forum is a handful of Corbynites shouting their wares and getting hot under the collar with hecklers.

Regardless of policies, statistically Labour should win the 2022 election just as a result of the natural to and fro swing of UK politics.

Personally, after having had charismatic leaders like Blair, I prefer a rather weak leader like Mrs May.

Mr Corbin is also a weak leader and has a certain appeal. For me, the problem is that he is like a rugby hooker needing to be firmly supported by his prop forwards, McDonnell and Abbot.

well your tactics are working a treat, so keep it coming.