Another Russian Spy?

[Peter Hun]

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How can you smear a country that has a shit reputation and behaves like a medieval empire?

 

[Peter Hun]

8 hours ago, zugzwang said:

The most obvious explanation

Here's an explanation of the source of your ******ing garbage storyline

Deny, divert and distract: Russia's denials over spy poisoning claims have a familiar ring

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/06/deny-divert-distract-russias-denials-spy-poisoning-claims-have/

[Byron]

10 hours ago, zugzwang said:

The most obvious explanation for the events in Salisbury is food poisoning - a paralytic reaction to shell fish poisoning - something Skripal's neice Viktoria clearly believes to be the case hence the FCO's otherwise incomprehensible decision to deny her a visa. The Zizzi fish restaurant remains closed some 4 1/2 weeks after the incident took place. Again, incomprehensible when the attack vector is supposed to have been the Skripal's front door!  a paralytic reaction to shell fish poisoning - something Skripal's neice Viktoria clearly believes to be the case Salisbury Hospital began treating the Skripals for food poisoning the minute they were admitted hence the doctor's report on March 18th that none of its patients were being treated for nerve agent exposure.

Conclusion: the entire novichok/doorknob story is a false flag exercise dreamt up by MI6 and the British govt to smear Putin and further isolate Russia from the rest of the world. A high stakes game with a lot of fancy angles any one of which can unravel at a moment's notice, as Boris Johnson unwittingly discovered. The UK is carrying the argument thus far, but this thing has miles and miles to run yet. At least one good thing seems likely come of it though, Russian oligarchs are going to find it much harder to launder their dirty money through the London property market than they have up 'til now.

 

 

Why do you publish such speculative thoughts?

 a paralytic reaction to shell fish poisoning - something Skripal's neice Viktoria clearly believes to be the case.

Have you any links to prove this?

or this?

The police officer DS Nick Bailey became very slightly disoriented by contact with bodily fluids from the Skripals at the park bench, not when he visited the Skripals house - did he attempt mouth-to-mouth before the paramedics arrived? Quite possibly.

 

 

[Bruce Banner]

It's probably best to just ignore the Russian shills as replying to their fatuous posts is playing into their hands. They would soon give up if we stopped replying as a thread containing nothing but Russian state sponsored posts would look ridiculous. For this reason I shan't be posting again on this thread.

[Peter Hun]

Mocking Russian failures is fun.

[Byron]

3 hours ago, Bruce Banner said:

It's probably best to just ignore the Russian shills as replying to their fatuous posts is playing into their hands. They would soon give up if we stopped replying as a thread containing nothing but Russian state sponsored posts would look ridiculous. For this reason I shan't be posting again on this thread.

Agreed, even Corbyn seems to be backing off, probably had a privy councillor briefing.

[zugzwang]

5 hours ago, Byron said:

Why do you publish such speculative thoughts?

 a paralytic reaction to shell fish poisoning - something Skripal's neice Viktoria clearly believes to be the case.

Have you any links to prove this?

or this?

The police officer DS Nick Bailey became very slightly disoriented by contact with bodily fluids from the Skripals at the park bench, not when he visited the Skripals house - did he attempt mouth-to-mouth before the paramedics arrived? Quite possibly.

 

 

 

Paralytic food poisoning is the most straightforward explanation consistent with the facts in the public domain! The nerve agent theories are wildly baroque by comparison and full of inconsistencies. Mysterious substances left by invisible assailants. The miraculous recovery of not one victim but three! Why for instance did Boris Johnson lie about Porton Down's identification of the substance as Russian, when they clearly said no such thing. And where has he been since this lie was publicly exposed?

Nerve agent or related compound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxitoxin

Why indeed did the BBC deliberately attempt to conceal what was actually said in that interview with Deutsche Welle from the general public?

Nerge agent?

 

 

 

[jonb2]

16 hours ago, zugzwang said:

The most obvious explanation for the events in Salisbury is food poisoning - a paralytic reaction to shell fish poisoning - something Skripal's neice Viktoria clearly believes to be the case hence the FCO's otherwise incomprehensible decision to deny her a visa. The Zizzi fish restaurant remains closed some 4 1/2 weeks after the incident took place. Again, incomprehensible when the attack vector is supposed to have been the Skripal's front door! The police officer DS Nick Bailey became very slightly disoriented by contact with bodily fluids from the Skripals at the park bench, not when he visited the Skripals house - did he attempt mouth-to-mouth before the paramedics arrived? Quite possibly. Salisbury Hospital began treating the Skripals for food poisoning the minute they were admitted hence the doctor's report on March 18th that none of its patients were being treated for nerve agent exposure.

Conclusion: the entire novichok/doorknob story is a false flag exercise dreamt up by MI6 and the British govt to smear Putin and further isolate Russia from the rest of the world. A high stakes game with a lot of fancy angles any one of which can unravel at a moment's notice, as Boris Johnson unwittingly discovered. The UK is carrying the argument thus far, but this thing has miles and miles to run yet. At least one good thing seems likely come of it though, Russian oligarchs are going to find it much harder to launder their dirty money through the London property market than they have up 'til now.

 

 

That's rubbish. You should this know more than most - the Russians and the Tories are as one when it comes to greed, shiny stuff, Faberge eggs, company thieving, bungs for tennis playing with Svetlanas etc.

You only have to look at the difference between the hard-nosed US sanctions brought in last week and our lot - doing nothing. Nought. Nada. All the Putin loving oligarchs should be expelled and anybody that has done business with them should be in prison.

Not a chance - the Tories are gaily dancing through the meadows, hand-in-hand with these gold-loving, tasteless, strongman **** licking  basterds.

[Byron]

3 hours ago, zugzwang said:

 

Paralytic food poisoning is the most straightforward explanation consistent with the facts in the public domain! The nerve agent theories are wildly baroque by comparison and full of inconsistencies. Mysterious substances left by invisible assailants. The miraculous recovery of not one victim but three! Why for instance did Boris Johnson lie about Porton Down's identification of the substance as Russian, when they clearly said no such thing. And where has he been since this lie was publicly exposed?

Nerve agent or related compound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxitoxin

Why indeed did the BBC deliberately attempt to conceal what was actually said in that interview with Deutsche Welle from the general public?

Nerge agent?

 

 

 

Johnson did not say that Porton Down claimed that it came from Russia.

Simple.

He did not say it, nor can the BBC find any clip of him saying so.

What a pathetic attempt by leftie Russia lovers.

[Peter Hun]

7 hours ago, Bruce Banner said:

They would soon give up if we stopped replying as a thread containing nothing but Russian state sponsored posts would look ridiculous.

Unfortunately Our Russian troll is quite happy posting page after page of Russian propaganda - they get paid by the number of postings they make.

With the mods happy to let him do so,.

 

[debtlessmanc]

2 hours ago, zugzwang said:

 

Paralytic food poisoning is the most straightforward explanation consistent with the facts in the public domain! The nerve agent theories are wildly baroque by comparison and full of inconsistencies. Mysterious substances left by invisible assailants. The miraculous recovery of not one victim but three! Why for instance did Boris Johnson lie about Porton Down's identification of the substance as Russian, when they clearly said no such thing. And where has he been since this lie was publicly exposed?

Nerve agent or related compound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxitoxin

Why indeed did the BBC deliberately attempt to conceal what was actually said in that interview with Deutsche Welle from the general public?

Nerge agent?

 

 

 

The only problem i see with this is that Zizzi's is not a fish restaurant and doesnt appear to sell any shell fish. Apart from that -brilliant.

[Peter Hun]

55 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

The only problem i see with this is that Zizzi's is not a fish restaurant and doesnt appear to sell any shell fish. Apart from that -brilliant.

LOL, in his defense Moscow is far from the sea and he's probably never seen shellfish.

[CommyTooper]

4 hours ago, Byron said:

Johnson did not say that Porton Down claimed that it came from Russia.Simple.

He did not say it, nor can the BBC find any clip of him saying so.

What a pathetic attempt by leftie Russia lovers.

Oh yes he did. Just not on the BBC. But they could have found this.

5 minutes 20 seconds in. But don’t let me spoil the fun. Listen to the whole interview.

I could never write material like that.

http://www.dw.com/en/boris-johnson-russias-position-in-skripal-case-is-increasingly-bizarre/av-43044378

 

[zugzwang]

6 hours ago, debtlessmanc said:

The only problem i see with this is that Zizzi's is not a fish restaurant and doesnt appear to sell any shell fish. Apart from that -brilliant.

An Italian restaurant that doesn't serve seafood?

Have another look. The Risotto Pesce sounds delicious, as does the King Prawn Linguine. Fewer than 600 calories, especially if you puke it back up an hour later.

https://www.zizzi.co.uk/food#meat-and-fish

[zugzwang]

6 hours ago, Peter Hun said:

Unfortunately Our Russian troll is quite happy posting page after page of Russian propaganda - they get paid by the number of postings they make.

With the mods happy to let him do so,.

 

You're the only one trolling this thread with your petulant ad hom abuse and we both know it.

For the record, I'm happy to concede that Vladimir Putin is a son-of-a-bitch and that Russia would almost certainly be better off without him and his gangster pals. Unless, of course, he were to be replaced by someone worse. But I remain a long way from convinced that he attempted to murder Sergei and Julia Skripal, and I'd really like to know who did and how. Or didn't, since I believe the most credible explanation for their intoxication and incapacity on March 4th is an acute bout of food poisoning.

[zugzwang]

7 hours ago, Byron said:

Johnson did not say that Porton Down claimed that it came from Russia.

Simple.

He did not say it, nor can the BBC find any clip of him saying so.

What a pathetic attempt by leftie Russia lovers.

Here's that DW interview in its entirety. Odd that the BBC couldn't find it, a simple google search sufficed for me. Too busy photoshopping pictures of Jeremy Corbyn, perhaps?

Johnson claims that Porton Down identifed the substance as a 'novichok' agent at 00.57 (a lie, they have never been that explicit), he claims that the OPCW is coming in to look at the sample of the nerve agent the UK has in its possession at 01.14 (another lie, only blood samples taken from the Skripals are known to exist). In response to a question about the Russian origins of the substance (04.40) Johnson declares that an un-named Porton Down scientist assured him 'categorically' that this was the case, that there was 'no doubt' it was produced in Russia whch is why the UK has been forced to act in the way it has. An outrageous slander against the unimpeachable integrity of Porton Down for which he should be fired.

 

[Peter Hun]

7 hours ago, zugzwang said:

But I remain a long way from convinced that

 

As has been repeatedly pointed out, the decision has been taken by the EU and NATO based on Russia behaviour going back years.

The list of wacky Kremlin theories are irrelevant, the West can and will do what is necessary and people like you, whatever your motives or identity will be ignored, because your/Kremlin opinion is worthless.

[Byron]

10 hours ago, zugzwang said:

Here's that DW interview in its entirety. Odd that the BBC couldn't find it, a simple google search sufficed for me. Too busy photoshopping pictures of Jeremy Corbyn, perhaps?

Johnson claims that Porton Down identifed the substance as a 'novichok' agent at 00.57 (a lie, they have never been that explicit), he claims that the OPCW is coming in to look at the sample of the nerve agent the UK has in its possession at 01.14 (another lie, only blood samples taken from the Skripals are known to exist). In response to a question about the Russian origins of the substance why the UK has been forced to act in the way it has. An outrageous slander against the unimpeachable integrity of Porton Down for which he should be fired.

 

You are publishing lies.

101.14 (another lie, only blood samples taken from the Skripals are known to exist).

Samples were taken from the house, particularly the door handle.

 

204.40) Johnson declares that an un-named Porton Down scientist assured him 'categorically' that this was the case, that there was 'no doubt' it was produced in Russia

He simply does not say that Porton Down said that the attack agent used on the Skripals it was produced in Russia

[zugzwang]

8 hours ago, Peter Hun said:

 

As has been repeatedly pointed out, the decision has been taken by the EU and NATO based on Russia behaviour going back years.

The list of wacky Kremlin theories are irrelevant, the West can and will do what is necessary and people like you, whatever your motives or identity will be ignored, because your/Kremlin opinion is worthless.

The EU and UK have done nothing except expel a few embassy staff. Only the Americans have had the courage to sanction the emigre Russian billionaires, something Corbyn and McDonnell have advocated strenuously. In fact JC did so in his Commons reply about the Salisbury event.

https://shirazsocialism.wordpress.com/2018/03/12/corbyn-gets-it-right-on-putin-calls-for-magnitsky-powers/

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Corbyn accused May of resisting a Commons move to introduce tougher sanctions on foreign criminals stashing money in the UK.

 

He said: “We’re all familiar with the way huge fortunes, often acquired in the most dubious ways possible in Russia sometimes connected with criminal elements have ended up sheltering in London and trying to buy political influence in British party politics.

“And there has been over £800,000 worth of donations to the Conservative party from Russian oligarchs and their associates.”

 

 

“So Mr Speaker, if that is the evidence before the government, even before the investigation is complete the government could be taking action to introduce new financial sanctions powers.”

“But instead they are currently resisting Labour’s amendments to the sanctions and money laundering bill, which could introduce the so-called Magnitsky powers.”

Even the serious Tory media acknowledges that hitting Putin’s cronies in their pockets (ie by means of “Magnitsky powers“)  is the only effective way to punish the regime for this latest outrage – something May was noticeably reluctant do as Home Secretary for a long time following Putin’s murder of Alexander Litvinenko.

 

[zugzwang]

5 hours ago, Byron said:

You are publishing lies.

101.14 (another lie, only blood samples taken from the Skripals are known to exist).

Samples were taken from the house, particularly the door handle.

 

204.40) Johnson declares that an un-named Porton Down scientist assured him 'categorically' that this was the case, that there was 'no doubt' it was produced in Russia

He simply does not say that Porton Down said that the attack agent used on the Skripals it was produced in Russia

1. As far as I'm aware the only materials tested by Porton Down were blood samples taken from the Skripals. Had they tested samples from the house then they would have been able to identify the poison unequivocally as a novichok. They could not.

The OPCW will have the final say in the matter, of course.

2. Johnson clearly forgot the script. He was supposed to use the line 'of a type made in Russia' but over-egged the flan, as he is wont to do. He should stick to 'Have I Got News For You' where his professional stupid act can't do damage to the UK's international reputation.

 

[Peter Hun]

10 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

The EU and UK have done nothing except expel a few embassy staff.

A few? more than any other expulsion, even during the cold war.

 

11 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

Magnitsky powers

You would think they would do this, on the other hand sanctions are being applied to individuals already and they apply world wide. For instance anyone sanctioned by the US will be blocked from the UK/EU's financial system.

[Peter Hun]

1 minute ago, zugzwang said:

were blood samples taken from the Skripals

You seem to have forgotten that a Police Officers was also poisoned. Maybe he ate at the same pizza restaurant and ate shellfish, while on patrol.

[zugzwang]

Just now, Peter Hun said:

A few? more than any other expulsion, even during the cold war.

 

You would think they would do this, on the other hand sanctions are being applied to individuals already and they apply world wide. For instance anyone sanctioned by the US will be blocked from the UK/EU's financial system.

Great. Let's hope they do. Neither the Labour Party or the Tories have clean hands when it comes to dirty Russian money.

[Peter Hun]

1 minute ago, zugzwang said:

dirty Russian money.

"The main intention of the law was to punish Russian officials who were thought to be responsible for the death of Sergei Magnitsky by prohibiting their entrance to the United States and their use of its banking system"

Applies to Russian Government officials, which I assume excludes the Oligarchs who live in the UK.

 

 

 

[zugzwang]

Just now, Peter Hun said:

You seem to have forgotten that a Police Officers was also poisoned. Maybe he ate at the same pizza restaurant and ate shellfish, while on patrol.

No idea where he ate for lunch but it is recorded that he gave CPR to either one or both of the Skripals.

What's happened to him by the way? Where did he go? You'd think he'd want to sell his story to the press. Give the world a clue whether the poison was in powder or liquid form, colourless/odourless etc.