DEATH Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Anyone else waiting for Cameron to do the Neville Chamberlain thing? Probably for successfully negotiating something the EU court has already said we can do anyway..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I suspect they think that younger people will vote to stay in the EU so have chosen Rose to try and bring in the M&S older voter - who will probably vote to leave - but I think Rose is a poor choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Anyone else waiting for Cameron to do the Neville Chamberlain thing? Probably for successfully negotiating something the EU court has already said we can do anyway..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Bear Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I'm quite happy to go to EU countries without getting a visa. I don't like the pumped up beaurocracy, and extra layer of silly politicians, which cost a lot. Don't rememeber needing a vis before the EU, at least for Western Europe. Old behind the curtain countries a bit differnt though but the change there nothing to do withe the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Bear Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 EU ‘In’ Campaign Hires June Sarpong: A Conspiracy ‘Investigator’ Who Believes America Is Controlling The Weather http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/12/eu-campaign-hires-june-sarpong-conspiracy-investigator-believes-america-controlling-weather/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 EU ‘In’ Campaign Hires June Sarpong: A Conspiracy ‘Investigator’ Who Believes America Is Controlling The Weather http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/12/eu-campaign-hires-june-sarpong-conspiracy-investigator-believes-america-controlling-weather/ She has an amusing dimple on her nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Bear Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Just look at Neil Kinnock for an answer to that, if you happen to lose your seat as an MP for whatever reason, then the EU provides a very comfortable second career. That is one massive objection I have - the likes of Neil Kinnock and Peter Mandelson being 'cronied' into very senior, very highly paid EU posts, without a single vote being cast. And there was one of the the founders of Innocent Smoothies on the radio this morning - one of the yes men - trying to tell us the EU was democratic. The other day, Merkel and the French bloke were saying that the only way to solve Europe's problems was by ever closer union, God help us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 The other day, Merkel and the French bloke were saying that the only way to solve Europe's problems was by ever closer union, God help us.Well yes, if you define Europe's problems as it not being a big superstate, instead of being bothered about the individual countries' problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Miyagi Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Everything that has come out of Brussels since the last referendum has been ever closer union, or a federal E.U if you like. The choice is simple, vote to stay in and accept that in the future the U.K will cease to exist as a sovereign state or vote out to retake our sovereignty and control our own future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Everything that has come out of Brussels since the last referendum has been ever closer union, or a federal E.U if you like. The choice is simple, vote to stay in and accept that in the future the U.K will cease to exist as a sovereign state or vote out to retake our sovereignty and control our own future.That sounds good but it also requires having some degree of faith that UK leaders will be better than EU ones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 The UK is already the exception in Europe: most expensive public transport, most expensive housing, smallest new houses, worst quality of life for children, fattest population, widest income inequality, biggest financial sector, most highly paid bankers, only unelected legislative chamber packed with cronies who bought their seat etc. Other EU countries don't have this, all of it was fully home grown. Leaving the EU will fix none of it. This referendum is a huge waste of time whatever the outcome. The EU is not all that powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 The UK is already the exception in Europe: most expensive public transport, most expensive housing, smallest new houses, worst quality of life for children, fattest population, widest income inequality, biggest financial sector, most highly paid bankers, only unelected legislative chamber packed with cronies who bought their seat etc. Other EU countries don't have this, all of it was fully home grown. Leaving the EU will fix none of it. This referendum is a huge waste of time whatever the outcome. The EU is not all that powerful. One the things I keep going on about is population density (as if anyone hasn't noticed by now!), believing that we can't get the best quality of life without reducing it. Is the EU a help or hindrance in achieving that goal (or at least stopping it increasing)? That is very definitely right on the top of my priorities, and I can't see staying in the EU will help us in the slightest there, rather the reverse. The downside to that, of course, is that our own incompetents appear to have no interest in addressing that top issue either, but leaving would at least be one of the obstacles out of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I'm expecting the lies and propaganda to far exceed what Scotland suffered. Can't wait for the fear stage to begin when we are told all the terrible consequences if we "stupidly" vote to leave. This. No bribes, just a big stick swung by the MSM again, and again, and again, and again,and again, and again, and again,and again, and again, and again,and again, and again, and again,and again, and again, and again..... until eventually the argument is dumbed down to "your country baaaaaad". I actually support our membership of the EU. I work in logistics so free trade is essential to my job, and I believe that the other countries of the EU will penalise us for leaving. Probably in the form of import taxes, barely disguised as 'transaction tariffs' or some such nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CunningPlan Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 This. No bribes, just a big stick swung by the MSM again, and again, and again, and again,and again, and again, and again,and again, and again, and again,and again, and again, and again,and again, and again, and again..... until eventually the argument is dumbed down to "your country baaaaaad". I actually support our membership of the EU. I work in logistics so free trade is essential to my job, and I believe that the other countries of the EU will penalise us for leaving. Probably in the form of import taxes, barely disguised as 'transaction tariffs' or some such nonsense. You make a fair point. I have a few customers in Switzerland and they are a total headache to deliver to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share Posted October 13, 2015 No 'compelling arguments' for staying in EU without major reform, Lloyds chairman says Lord Blackwell, a former adviser to John Major and Margaret Thatcher, says he does not believe remaining in the EU without a 'significant change in the current arrangements is sustainable' EU Referendum: Is the In campaign funded by the EU? People backing Brexit are 'quitters' says In campaign's Stuart Rose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I actually support our membership of the EU. I work in logistics so free trade is essential to my job, and I believe that the other countries of the EU will penalise us for leaving. Probably in the form of import taxes, barely disguised as 'transaction tariffs' or some such nonsense. I don't think the German motor lobby would let them. Even if they did such deals are usually reciprocal.. We would actually make money out of it because we buy more from Europe than they do from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 FREEDOM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Heard the pro EU campaign state on R4 the other day that for every pound we spend on Europe we get £10 back. Which made me laugh. Large joint European science projects usually spend so little money back into the UK that they are desperate to find UK companies to bid for work just so we aren't seen to be losing out so badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The UK is already the exception in Europe: most expensive public transport, most expensive housing, smallest new houses, worst quality of life for children, fattest population, widest income inequality, biggest financial sector, most highly paid bankers, only unelected legislative chamber packed with cronies who bought their seat etc. Other EU countries don't have this, all of it was fully home grown. Leaving the EU will fix none of it. This referendum is a huge waste of time whatever the outcome. The EU is not all that powerful. Yep, it is only a union in some aspects - we do not seem to share the benefits re things like health, pensions. Even ruddy mobile phones cost more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpewLabour Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Don't rememeber needing a vis before the EU, at least for Western Europe. Old behind the curtain countries a bit differnt though but the change there nothing to do withe the EU. No you never did. But you still need a passport so it will make bog all difference if we leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Allegro Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The migrant crisis has proved to me, if I didn't know it already, that the EU is an utterly busted flush. It can't protect its own borders, but bullies and penalises countries (such as Hungary) who have the temerity to do so themselves. The most powerful EU state (Germany) effectively controls what happens in the rest of the continent and has deliberately destabilised the entire continent by importing millions of economically dependent migrants, mostly from completely different cultural backgrounds, and demanding the sharing out of them into countries who do not want them. No thanks, I'm out. I don't have much faith in a 'no' vote however. Even if the UK votes 'no', there's the likelihood of a retake as there was in Ireland and Denmark. What's possible though is that the EU simply implodes anyway, so a vote becomes unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The migrant crisis has proved to me, if I didn't know it already, that the EU is an utterly busted flush. It can't protect its own borders, but bullies and penalises countries (such as Hungary) who have the temerity to do so themselves. The most powerful EU state (Germany) effectively controls what happens in the rest of the continent and has deliberately destabilised the entire continent by importing millions of economically dependent migrants, mostly from completely different cultural backgrounds, and demanding the sharing out of them into countries who do not want them. No thanks, I'm out. I don't have much faith in a 'no' vote however. Even if the UK votes 'no', there's the likelihood of a retake as there was in Ireland and Denmark. What's possible though is that the EU simply implodes anyway, so a vote becomes unnecessary. If we do leave, then look no further than Angel Merkel's open invitation to the world to make up for their labour shortage, on the pretence of a humanitarian mission. Seriously if you are on a humanitarian mission you don't provide shelter to 20 something young males over the women, children and elderly who are most vulnerable and left at the camps. The lie, which was also propagated by the Department of information at the BBC, was so big that the decision has tipped to a 50/50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 No you never did. But you still need a passport so it will make bog all difference if we leave. ..and if you live & work in the EU? I take it UK nationals will be subject to quotas? I personally want to stay in, as I plan to bugger off to Europe at some point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 ..and if you live & work in the EU? I take it UK nationals will be subject to quotas? I personally want to stay in, as I plan to bugger off to Europe at some point... Why should that matter? German and its puppet states have just let in a couple million people no questions asked...doubt they'd say no to anyone else. Besides, more Brits live in Oz than the EU states combined...oz not being an EU member hasnt stopped that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Why should that matter? German and its puppet states have just let in a couple million people no questions asked...doubt they'd say no to anyone else. Besides, more Brits live in Oz than the EU states combined...oz not being an EU member hasnt stopped that. ..I have no in inclination in living in OZ They're also very strict on what professions are allowed in, and you have be under 45 to apply (AFAIK).. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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